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Post by miike80 on Oct 11, 2017 13:24:58 GMT
ah, ok. technically they didn't explain but maybe they will Well, the movie isn't out to the public yet. How can we know it won't be explained? i didn't say it won't be explained. it's just that you said it was explained and i thought i missed that
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 11, 2017 14:12:51 GMT
His character arc is nice-good-guy-becomes-good-guy-BEEFCAKE-by-lab-magic. The films are extremely inconsistent No, they just don't have him fight the same villains over and over and over again and the movies try different things. DC and FOX could learn a few things. lol, only a comic book nerd would equate a character arc with which villains the hero clobbers with.
Also, Fox Men is logically built: X1 Mutant-Human war rising (villain: Magneto) X2:Human villain(Stryker) tries to provoke war; X3: War begins and ends (Magneto). It's not like Cap's Hail Hydra business that goes nowhere and rages on in other media.
Also, DC always have different villains: Nolan, Burton, Snyder, Donner etc never repeat villains, characters are just reinterpreted in different Multiverses.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 11, 2017 14:27:55 GMT
^^ a criminal's logic and reasoning: the ends justify all means, all extremes are necessary because "they" are worse and "they" attacked first. In the raptor's fanatical mind this will legitimize excessive bullying, racial slurs, random insults, spreading lies and misinformation, honey trapping and soliciting via abysmal fanfic... Why attack at all? Useless and it makes one look petty. Thats true, but it's human nature, it's the banality of evil as well as the evil of banality. Some like the civil merry-go-around approach of fair discussion, some like the brutish bumper car approach. I admit it gives me devious bliss and schadenfreude to see the raptor suffer hysterical meltdowns and cyber nose bleeds, but just him or his ilk, not everybody...
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 11, 2017 15:16:05 GMT
He'll ignore that, because it doesn't suit his needs. He wants to tear the MCU down a notch, and so he will substitute our reality for his. I mean the Thor films themselves. They’re disjointed. The tone is inconsistent, characters are discarded and there is little to no character development. They're also boring AF.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 11, 2017 16:58:01 GMT
No, they just don't have him fight the same villains over and over and over again and the movies try different things. DC and FOX could learn a few things. lol, only a comic book nerd would equate a character arc with which villains the hero clobbers with.
Also, Fox Men is logically built: X1 Mutant-Human war rising (villain: Magneto) X2:Human villain(Stryker) tries to provoke war; X3: War begins and ends (Magneto). It's not like Cap's Hail Hydra business that goes nowhere and rages on in other media.
Also, DC always have different villains: Nolan, Burton, Snyder, Donner etc never repeat villains, characters are just reinterpreted in different Multiverses.
Cap's character arc has nothing to do with fighting Hydra though, you're the one making that comparison. They were there in First Avenger and Winter Soldier, no need to have Cap always dealing with them. He's not as limited as Batman or the X-Men. That's why Cap Civil War went outside the box in ways those two never could. Fox's way is lazy. Especially in lack of consequences between films and how X2 utterly ignores the effect the Cerebro attack would've had. That's why they needed to do the time reboot thing. It's the same old nonsense, with Xavier the same old incompetent (and accessory to terrorism and murder). That and the whole series has always failed as an analogy for prejudice. So there's little logic to their "war" except as an excuse to just keep using Magneto and "Human War" instead of stuff like taking them into space or fighting in the Savage Land or something innovative like how MCU isn't afraid to do that stuff. Hydra is a villain for the entire MCU, popping in and out. This isn't some "one characters' villains are his and his alone" type of DC/FOX laziness. Here the characters intersect. There's no reason for Cap to fight Hydra for every movie straight. That's like saying James Bond should be fighting Blofeld and SPECTRE and only them. And that last bit about DC...total cop-out. Total. "Reinterpretation" is just an excuse to avoid admitting they reuse villains.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 17:31:09 GMT
The Director said so in an interview, and I haven't seen it but the movie will probably explain it. ah, ok. technically they didn't explain but maybe they will Oh, look, one of the resident trolls is putting down the MCU as a whole again. What a surprise.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 11, 2017 17:56:50 GMT
ah, ok. technically they didn't explain but maybe they will Oh, look, one of the resident trolls is putting down the MCU as a whole again. What a surprise. I put the MCU down as a whole? Paranoia is going strong with you
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 18:02:03 GMT
Oh, look, one of the resident trolls is putting down the MCU as a whole again. What a surprise. I put the MCU down as a whole? Paranoia is going strong with you Yes, you are. You took DennisReynolds' side yesterday, and he's one of the primary sowers of discord around here. If you don't want to be treated like and referred to as a troll, don't act like one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 18:07:28 GMT
Oh, look, one of the resident trolls is putting down the MCU as a whole again. What a surprise. I put the MCU down as a whole? Paranoia is going strong with you He's a little crybaby bitch who can't handle criticism of the MCU because MCU is perfect in his eyes. Oh, and he's a brony.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 11, 2017 18:11:34 GMT
I put the MCU down as a whole? Paranoia is going strong with you Yes, you are. You took DennisReynolds' side yesterday, and he's one of the primary sowers of discord around here. If you don't want to be treated like and referred to as a troll, don't act like one. If you read my posts on this topic you might understand what i was going for. Former... said that it was explained that HULK was in Hulk form the whole time since he left Earth. And i said i didn't remember that being mentioned. Because if it wasn't in the movies it doesn't count.Not saying it's not gonna be explained in Ragnarok tho. It's the same as when i said that Bobba Fett is the most overrated character in Star Wars and someone said that he was awesome in some comics or novels. I said i didn't care, i was judging him by the movies
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 18:14:26 GMT
Yes, you are. You took DennisReynolds' side yesterday, and he's one of the primary sowers of discord around here. If you don't want to be treated like and referred to as a troll, don't act like one. If you read my posts on this topic you might understand what i was going for. Former... said that it was explained that HULK was in Hulk form the whole time since he left Earth. And i said i didn't remember that being mentioned. Because if it wasn't in the movies it doesn't count.Not saying it's not gonna be explained in Ragnarok tho. It's the same as when i said that Bobba Fett is the most overrated character in Star Wars and someone said that he was awesome in some comics or novels. I said i didn't care, i was judging him by the movies Yes, I understand that you said the MCU is incapable of explaining its own plot points. Thank you for continuing to confirm what I think of you.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 11, 2017 18:21:21 GMT
If you read my posts on this topic you might understand what i was going for. Former... said that it was explained that HULK was in Hulk form the whole time since he left Earth. And i said i didn't remember that being mentioned. Because if it wasn't in the movies it doesn't count.Not saying it's not gonna be explained in Ragnarok tho. It's the same as when i said that Bobba Fett is the most overrated character in Star Wars and someone said that he was awesome in some comics or novels. I said i didn't care, i was judging him by the movies Yes, I understand that you said the MCU is incapable of explaining its own plot points. Thank you for continuing to confirm what I think of you. you keep on twisting my words. i said that it wasn't explained like Former.. said. After all, we haven't seen the film, and it might be as well explained. Actually it probably will.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 18:22:57 GMT
Yes, I understand that you said the MCU is incapable of explaining its own plot points. Thank you for continuing to confirm what I think of you. you keep on twisting my words. i said that it wasn't explained like Former.. said. After all, we haven't seen the film, and it might be as well explained. Actually it probably will. Twisting your words? Yeah, right. You just confessed yesterday that you'll never pass up the chance to take pot shots at the series. I have no reason to believe you.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 11, 2017 18:25:16 GMT
you keep on twisting my words. i said that it wasn't explained like Former.. said. After all, we haven't seen the film, and it might be as well explained. Actually it probably will. Twisting your words? Yeah, right. You just confessed yesterday that you'll never pass up the chance to take pot shots at the series. I have no reason to believe you. You conveniently left out that i also said i'll take shots at DCEU and FOX if it's something i don't like. I'm not gonna commit to a franchise and defend everything about it while pissing on the others
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 18:27:32 GMT
Twisting your words? Yeah, right. You just confessed yesterday that you'll never pass up the chance to take pot shots at the series. I have no reason to believe you. You conveniently left out that i also said i'll take shots at DCEU and FOX if it's something i don't like. I'm not gonna commit to a franchise and defend everything about it while pissing on the others Yet I don't see you take those supposed shots at the DCEU and FOX very often at all. Its almost like you don't.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 11, 2017 18:29:31 GMT
You conveniently left out that i also said i'll take shots at DCEU and FOX if it's something i don't like. I'm not gonna commit to a franchise and defend everything about it while pissing on the others Yet I don't see you take those supposed shots at the DCEU and FOX very often at all. Its almost like you don't. Well, how many movies DCEU had this year? one, so far and i liked it. Had Suicide Squad or Apocalypse been out this year..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 18:34:29 GMT
Yet I don't see you take those supposed shots at the DCEU and FOX very often at all. Its almost like you don't. Well, how many movies DCEU had this year? one, so far and i liked it. Had Suicide Squad or Apocalypse been out this year.. There are still plenty of discussions about all three franchises whether or not they've had much activity this year. Yet you still choose to only single out the MCU most of the time. You can't hide your intentions.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 11, 2017 18:36:19 GMT
Well, how many movies DCEU had this year? one, so far and i liked it. Had Suicide Squad or Apocalypse been out this year.. There are still plenty of discussions about all three franchises whether or not they've had much activity this year. Yet you still choose to only single out the MCU most of the time. You can't hide your intentions. I dunno, compared to the ACTUAL trolls here I don't think he is one. He's been a bit more fair minded.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 11, 2017 18:40:57 GMT
There are still plenty of discussions about all three franchises whether or not they've had much activity this year. Yet you still choose to only single out the MCU most of the time. You can't hide your intentions. I dunno, compared to the ACTUAL trolls here I don't think he is one. He's been a bit more fair minded. do you even know how the term troll is defined, or from what the word is derived? According to your assertion you would be one yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 18:41:39 GMT
There are still plenty of discussions about all three franchises whether or not they've had much activity this year. Yet you still choose to only single out the MCU most of the time. You can't hide your intentions. I dunno, compared to the ACTUAL trolls here I don't think he is one. He's been a bit more fair minded. You're probably right. I'm just tired of this shit, man.
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