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Post by charzhino on Oct 16, 2017 19:54:52 GMT
Pretty much, the whole "Hero's Journey" argument is all broad generalization. The Hero's Journey story is the basics of telling an origin story. How else can you tell the origins of a new hero? Exactly. But I have to love the hypocrisy of these MCU haters. They whine about how derivative the MCU is while ignoring the fact that X-Men films have just been recycling the X-Men 2 script since 2003. And they love to ignore that the DCEU is still on the rocky straits despite Wonder Woman. The only superhero joint in town that's on stable ground is the MCU. Another false claim. X3 is about the cure and dark Phoenix. First Class is an origin story with the Cuban Missile crisis. DOFP is a timetravelling mission story. Apocalypse is about world destruction from a Darwinian themed supermutant. Im struggling to see how thats the "same script" as X2 which is about a human military scientist wanting to erase mutantkind because of his sons deformity. Or are you so fickle that just because Magneto is portrayed as a conflicted anti hero, it makes all those films the same. If thats your level of comparison then I can say the same about the Avenger films which all feature Stark and Cap arguing until they make up and defeat a supervillain with an infinity stone thrown in there somewhere.
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Post by poelzig on Oct 16, 2017 20:04:20 GMT
There is, you and other MCU fanatics just want to ignore it. There was a whole thread on this topic a while back where it was broken down in detail. One of my better threads I must say. Yes it was.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 20:04:39 GMT
Exactly. But I have to love the hypocrisy of these MCU haters. They whine about how derivative the MCU is while ignoring the fact that X-Men films have just been recycling the X-Men 2 script since 2003. And they love to ignore that the DCEU is still on the rocky straits despite Wonder Woman. The only superhero joint in town that's on stable ground is the MCU. Another false claim. X3 is about the cure and dark Phoenix. First Class is an origin story with the Cuban Missile crisis. DOFP is a timetravelling mission story. Apocalypse is about world destruction from a Darwinian themed supermutant. Im struggling to see how thats the "same script" as X2 which is about a human military scientist wanting to erase mutantkind because of his sons deformity. Or are you so fickle that just because Magneto is portrayed as a conflicted anti hero, it makes all those films the same. If thats your level of comparison then I can say the same about the Avenger films which all feature Stark and Cap arguing until they make up and defeat a supervillain with an infinity stone thrown in there somewhere. I don't see a difference between any of them. They all just run together like a blur.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 16, 2017 20:06:38 GMT
Another false claim. X3 is about the cure and dark Phoenix. First Class is an origin story with the Cuban Missile crisis. DOFP is a timetravelling mission story. Apocalypse is about world destruction from a Darwinian themed supermutant. Im struggling to see how thats the "same script" as X2 which is about a human military scientist wanting to erase mutantkind because of his sons deformity. Or are you so fickle that just because Magneto is portrayed as a conflicted anti hero, it makes all those films the same. If thats your level of comparison then I can say the same about the Avenger films which all feature Stark and Cap arguing until they make up and defeat a supervillain with an infinity stone thrown in there somewhere. I don't see a difference between any of them. They all just run together like a blur. Well, a lot of people feel like every MCU film is the same as the last one so they aren't free of that charge.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 20:09:21 GMT
I don't see a difference between any of them. They all just run together like a blur. Well, a lot of people feel like every MCU film is the same as the last one so they aren't free of that charge. Those people don't know how to pay attention. If they did, they'd know every MCU film is different, unlike all the all-the-same FoX-Men films.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 16, 2017 20:11:17 GMT
Well, a lot of people feel like every MCU film is the same as the last one so they aren't free of that charge. Those people don't know how to pay attention. If they did, they'd know every MCU film is different, unlike all the all-the-same FoX-Men films. Hypocrite.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 20:12:42 GMT
Those people don't know how to pay attention. If they did, they'd know every MCU film is different, unlike all the all-the-same FoX-Men films. Hypocrite. No, I'm just bluntly honest. And 100% correct.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 16, 2017 20:15:07 GMT
Pretty much, the whole "Hero's Journey" argument is all broad generalization. The Hero's Journey story is the basics of telling an origin story. How else can you tell the origins of a new hero? Exactly. But I have to love the hypocrisy of these MCU haters. They whine about how derivative the MCU is while ignoring the fact that X-Men films have just been recycling the X-Men 2 script since 2003. And they love to ignore that the DCEU is still on the rocky straits despite Wonder Woman. The only superhero joint in town that's on stable ground is the MCU. My dear Raptor, as for your points: 1. Exactly not. Learn what the hero's journey concept is. You lack of writing theory is disturbing. No wonder nobody reads your fanfic. 2. Obvious nonsense: X3 is about the mutant cure and dark Phoenix. First Class is an origin story with the Cuban Missile crisis. DOFP is a timetravelling mission story. Apocalypse is about world destruction from a Darwinian themed super mutant. 3. DCEU on rocky straits? Lol. Dream on. DCEU after only 4 movies made more prices/Oscars than 16 MCU (no wonder: null, zero), created a media sensation, has iconic music, made more money than the first 4 MCU, has no IP that got below 10 % ratings and has the lowest viewer ever etc. 4. Stable ground? Lol with a string of critical and commercial superflops like Iron Fist, Defenders (lowest ratings ever) or the fabled Inhumans that failed to copy Fox men. Spidey money went to Sony too. "Gotta love the hypocrisy"? You were sayin?
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 16, 2017 20:27:29 GMT
There is no MCU formula, no one who says there is has ever been able to define it. All they have is success. There is, you and other MCU fanatics just want to ignore it. There was a whole thread on this topic a while back where it was broken down in detail. They "feel similar" because they go to the extra effort to make it seem like they're all the same Universe. They have a "tone"....which apparently films aren't supposed to have. The characters aren't all grim bitter crazy men with the same flat brooding. The villains aren't the stars of the show, of course making the villains the stars is the lazy way out. The characters have arcs, which apparently characters aren't supposed to have. They aren't afraid to show they acknowledge other movies. Apparently the only way to do a film is to have absolutely no references to the rest of the world. If that's a formula, then practically every film has it. Try harder.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 16, 2017 20:28:57 GMT
3. DCEU on rocky straits? Lol. Dream on. DCEU after only 4 movies made more prices/Oscars than 16 MCU (no wonder: null, zero) You're really clinging to that makeup award...it's getting embarrassing.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 16, 2017 20:31:08 GMT
Exactly. But I have to love the hypocrisy of these MCU haters. They whine about how derivative the MCU is while ignoring the fact that X-Men films have just been recycling the X-Men 2 script since 2003. And they love to ignore that the DCEU is still on the rocky straits despite Wonder Woman. The only superhero joint in town that's on stable ground is the MCU. Another false claim. X3 is about the cure and dark Phoenix. Humans doing something proactive against the status quo and the X-Men acting to stop it while dealing with Magneto. Humans (and a mutant group) doing something proactive against the status quo and the X-Men acting to stop it while dealing with Magneto. Humans doing something proactive against the status quo and the X-Men acting to stop it while dealing with Magneto. A mutant doing something proactive against the status quo and the X-Men acting to stop it while dealing with Magneto.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 20:32:15 GMT
3. DCEU on rocky straits? Lol. Dream on. DCEU after only 4 movies made more prices/Oscars than 16 MCU (no wonder: null, zero) You're really clinging to that makeup award... Its the only thing they have to cling onto to. Notice how they're not mentioning BvS's Razzies again? Or That FoX-Men: Apocalypse was the lowest grossing superhero film of 2016? Or that Guardians Vol. 2 and Homecoming beat Wonder Woman?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 20:33:48 GMT
Another false claim. X3 is about the cure and dark Phoenix. Humans doing something proactive against the status quo and the X-Men acting to stop it while dealing with Magneto. Humans (and a mutant group) doing something proactive against the status quo and the X-Men acting to stop it while dealing with Magneto. Humans doing something proactive against the status quo and the X-Men acting to stop it while dealing with Magneto. A mutant doing something proactive against the status quo and the X-Men acting to stop it while dealing with Magneto. Exactly. The X-Men films are only different on paper. In practice, they all look, feel, and play out the exact same way.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 16, 2017 20:45:37 GMT
3. DCEU on rocky straits? Lol. Dream on. DCEU after only 4 movies made more prices/Oscars than 16 MCU (no wonder: null, zero) You're really clinging to that makeup award... of course, EVERYBODY in the business wants an ACADEMY AWARD - that grants access to a very very special ELITE club of franchises: Star Wars, LotR, Harry Potter. DCEU is in the club after only 4 movies!!!! MCU must stay outside alas, but it has fitting company with Transformers, Twilight, Pirates, Fast & Furious. And i forgot: DCEU has the first CBM ever with serious OSCAR BUZZ for Best Movie and Best Director, that was never seen before and serious media such as Forbes back and advocate this. Will t get noms or wins, no likely man, but that's still light years ahead of MCU.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 16, 2017 20:48:14 GMT
You're really clinging to that makeup award... of course, EVERYBODY in the business wants an ACADEMY AWARD A proper one, like Best Picture or Director or one of the Actor ones. And not ones given out because said actor died. Nothing serious, in fact it won't come close to being nominated. It's just getting fake buzz due to the artificial boosters and the Academy not wanting to come off as sexist after the prior debacles over not recognizing Black actors more. In fact WW already did the predictable by have Steve Trevor come back for WW2.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 16, 2017 20:52:55 GMT
of course, EVERYBODY in the business wants an ACADEMY AWARD A proper one, like Best Picture or Director or one of the Actor ones. And not ones given out because said actor died. Nothing serious, in fact it won't come close to being nominated. It's just getting fake buzz due to the artificial boosters and the Academy not wanting to come off as sexist after the prior debacles over not recognizing Black actors more. In fact WW already did the predictable by have Steve Trevor come back for WW2. Your jealousy and envy is rewarding, sam. Thank you.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 16, 2017 20:56:23 GMT
A proper one, like Best Picture or Director or one of the Actor ones. And not ones given out because said actor died. Nothing serious, in fact it won't come close to being nominated. It's just getting fake buzz due to the artificial boosters and the Academy not wanting to come off as sexist after the prior debacles over not recognizing Black actors more. In fact WW already did the predictable by have Steve Trevor come back for WW2. Your jealousy and envy is rewarding, sam. Thank you. It's really pity for your delusion, but you're free to enjoy the minor brightness WW bought DC...even though JL will bring it all down again.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 16, 2017 21:11:03 GMT
Your jealousy and envy is rewarding, sam. Thank you. It's really pity for your delusion, but you're free to enjoy the minor brightness WW bought DC...even though JL will bring it all down again. The Nile is not just a river in Egypt, sam. If your pity tastes so deliciously salty, I will gladly take a river full and bath in it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 16, 2017 21:15:21 GMT
It's really pity for your delusion, but you're free to enjoy the minor brightness WW bought DC...even though JL will bring it all down again. The Nile is not just a river in Egypt, sam. If your pity tastes so deliciously salty, I will gladly take a river full and bath in it. Whatever floats your delusions then, but once JL dashes any hopes WW gave you and the others know that we'll still be here. And we won't bother rubbing it in, as we always knew how it'd turn out. Of course, it isn't like WW2 will be able to fix anything JL takes down...they already sold out by bringing back Trevor.
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Post by poelzig on Oct 16, 2017 21:15:30 GMT
Maybe I'm missing something but it seems like to me this is how far too many of these threads play out. Non mcu fanatic 1- "I like some mcu stuff but they tend to have too much silly humor for me to take seriously. I like the x men more." mcu fanatic 1- "No they don't have any more humor than any other movies except that dark dc shit. They are perfect. X men sucks and you're an idiot." Non mcu fanatic 2- "I liked Civil war but even that does fit the mcu formula. Wonder woman was a good mixture of the serious dc and the fun marvel." mcu fanatic 2- "WW is shit and no one liked it . It was only falsely praised because it had a woman. You're an idiot if you liked it. Also x men sucks too." non mcu fanatic 1- "I liked wonder woman so some people did like it. Dark Knight was better though. Ledger was brilliant." mcu fanatic 3 - "Have you seen the new thor trailer? Every critic in the entire world says it's the best movie ever. I have it on a continual loop. Everything mcu does is perfection and I will post this again all day long as proof. I've never heard of wonder woman or Heath Ledger even though I'm a rabid comic book fan but I'm sure they suck since they are not mcu. YAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE THOR" non mcu fanatic 3- "You mcu guys are rude jerks. Screw the mcu if you can't be open to our opinions too. Morons." All the mcu fanatics "SCABAB!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE BEING MEAN BAN THEM ALL NOW!!!!!!!!!!! " Scabab- "Guys stop picking on the mcu now." That sound about right?
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