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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 9:53:17 GMT
I'm screencapping this comment for later, for when you try to claim you never said he'd come back. Keep dreaming, the DCEU actually kills off their characters and no fake out deaths. Superman...
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Post by miike80 on Oct 17, 2017 10:01:14 GMT
of course, EVERYBODY in the business wants an ACADEMY AWARD A proper one, like Best Picture or Director or one of the Actor ones. And not ones given out because said actor died. Nothing serious, in fact it won't come close to being nominated. It's just getting fake buzz due to the artificial boosters and the Academy not wanting to come off as sexist after the prior debacles over not recognizing Black actors more. In fact WW already did the predictable by have Steve Trevor come back for WW2. Why didn't Paul Walker win one? or Anton Yelchin? Or any of the other actors that sadly died and didn't win it?
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 10:03:54 GMT
A proper one, like Best Picture or Director or one of the Actor ones. And not ones given out because said actor died. Nothing serious, in fact it won't come close to being nominated. It's just getting fake buzz due to the artificial boosters and the Academy not wanting to come off as sexist after the prior debacles over not recognizing Black actors more. In fact WW already did the predictable by have Steve Trevor come back for WW2. Why didn't Paul Walker win one? or Anton Yelchin? Or any of the other actors that sadly died and didn't win it? The FF series wasn't hyped up the way Nolan's films are, and Yelchin's character was too minor.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 17, 2017 10:24:04 GMT
Why didn't Paul Walker win one? or Anton Yelchin? Or any of the other actors that sadly died and didn't win it? The FF series wasn't hyped up the way Nolan's films are, and Yelchin's character was too minor. Yeah, i wouldn't keep on with that. Even people that don't care about comics or comic book movies praised Ledger' s performance. Not everything that is not Marvel has artificial boosters like you like to say
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Post by sostie on Oct 17, 2017 10:24:24 GMT
Keep dreaming, the DCEU actually kills off their characters and no fake out deaths. Superman... Hmmm...I wonder if his selfless act in BvS will be criticised for not being a "sacrifice" when he turns up in JL.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 10:25:49 GMT
The FF series wasn't hyped up the way Nolan's films are, and Yelchin's character was too minor. Yeah, i wouldn't keep on with that. Even people that don't care about comics or comic book movies praised Ledger' s performance. Because talking bad about dead people is a no-no, usually.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 10:26:19 GMT
Hmmm...I wonder if his selfless act in BvS will be criticised for not being a "sacrifice" when he turns up in JL. By DC-Fans' logic, it should be criticized.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 17, 2017 10:30:28 GMT
Yeah, i wouldn't keep on with that. Even people that don't care about comics or comic book movies praised Ledger' s performance. Because talking bad about dead people is a no-no, usually. Between not talking bad and praising it it's a long way. But no one can convince you, when it suits you. if he were part of MCU you would have absolutely no doubt in calling it the best performance in a comic book movie. But we know: artificial boosters, ashamed of comics, bankrupt grounded... ecc
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 10:33:20 GMT
Because talking bad about dead people is a no-no, usually. Between not talking bad and praising it it's a long way. But no one can convince you, when it suits you. if he were part of MCU you would have absolutely no doubt in calling it the best performance in a comic book movie. But we know: artificial boosters, ashamed of comics, bankrupt grounded... ecc Not really, I always dislike omnipotent villains because they're the lazy way out. It's why I'm hoping there's more to Thanos.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 17, 2017 10:35:51 GMT
Between not talking bad and praising it it's a long way. But no one can convince you, when it suits you. if he were part of MCU you would have absolutely no doubt in calling it the best performance in a comic book movie. But we know: artificial boosters, ashamed of comics, bankrupt grounded... ecc Not really, I always dislike omnipotent villains because they're the lazy way out. It's why I'm hoping there's more to Thanos. yeah, i hope he jokes a lot, and gets defated easily, not to take anything away from the heroes
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 10:40:50 GMT
Not really, I always dislike omnipotent villains because they're the lazy way out. It's why I'm hoping there's more to Thanos. yeah, i hope he jokes a lot, and gets defated easily, not to take anything away from the heroes Joker DID joke a lot, and if you make the villain the star of the movie you're admitting you didn't have faith in the hero to carry the movie. Nolan clearly didn't think Batman could carry his own movies. Look at Greg Stillson in "The Dead Zone". He's the villain while the focus of the film and story is wholly on Johnny.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 17, 2017 10:42:55 GMT
yeah, i hope he jokes a lot, and gets defated easily, not to take anything away from the heroes Joker DID joke a lot, and if you make the villain the star of the movie you're admitting you didn't have faith in the hero to carry the movie. Nolan clearly didn't think Batman could carry his own movies. Look at Greg Stillson in "The Dead Zone". He's the villain while the focus of the film and story is wholly on Johnny. A hero's as good as his villain
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 10:43:44 GMT
Joker DID joke a lot, and if you make the villain the star of the movie you're admitting you didn't have faith in the hero to carry the movie. Nolan clearly didn't think Batman could carry his own movies. Look at Greg Stillson in "The Dead Zone". He's the villain while the focus of the film and story is wholly on Johnny. A hero's as good as his villain Said every lazy writer ever. Every writer who didn't believe in the hero.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 17, 2017 10:48:20 GMT
A hero's as good as his villain Said every lazy writer ever. Every writer who didn't believe in the hero. So why bother having villains at all? Let's just have the heroes face some two times pickpockets that don't challenge them at all. know what? you can't convince me and i can't convince you, so let's just end this here.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 17, 2017 10:50:09 GMT
Hmmm...I wonder if his selfless act in BvS will be criticised for not being a "sacrifice" when he turns up in JL. the answer is that it already was by the raptor and his ilk by (absurdly) claiming Supes was a Ayn Rand character (because Snyder reads Rand).
It's a false cause misconception. Acting selflessly or making a sacrifice does not necessitate that one dies or that one stays dead. Did Jesus know he would come back after dying for our sins?
By way of nuance, if Supes had known that he will/might come back after sacrificing his life, then arguably the severety of the sacrifice may be a tad lower. But there is no evidence for that in the movie, is there: Thus, he gave his life unaware of the fact that the infamous MCU-law of "everybody of semi-importance cannot really die" applies to him. End of it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 10:50:13 GMT
Said every lazy writer ever. Every writer who didn't believe in the hero. So why bother having villains at all? Same reason Jaws has a Shark. A plot device to start off the plot while the focus is on the leads and whatever internal conflicts and character struggled they go through. Look at Spider-Man. Plenty of his stories have the villain be a plot device while the real story focused on Peter and whatever problems he was having at the time.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 17, 2017 10:57:12 GMT
A hero's as good as his villain Said every lazy writer ever. Every writer who didn't believe in the hero. writing theory, doctrine and common sense disagree with you.
1. Writing a good villain is the hardest thing in drama. 2. A hero in an hero-villain story is only as good as the villain/obstacles he faces and who reflect his own flaws.
But console yourself: most lazy and untalented writers will give your post a "like" by heart.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 17, 2017 10:58:20 GMT
So why bother having villains at all? Same reason Jaws has a Shark. A plot device to start off the plot while the focus is on the leads and whatever internal conflicts and character struggled they go through. Look at Spider-Man. Plenty of his stories have the villain be a plot device while the real story focused on Peter and whatever problems he was having at the time. Don't care for Spiderman, only liked homecoming and parts of the first TASM. but it's not like there's only one way to tell a story, lots of villains are interesting, and the movies would have been lesser without them. But i thought we ended the argument here. i'll stop
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Post by sostie on Oct 17, 2017 10:59:04 GMT
Hmmm...I wonder if his selfless act in BvS will be criticised for not being a "sacrifice" when he turns up in JL. It's a false cause misconception. Acting selflessly or making a sacrifice does not necessitate that one dies or that one stays dead. Did Jesus know he would come back after dying for our sins?
I agree totally . I only mentioned it because DC Fan has constantly insisted, even started threads, about Cap America NOT making a sacrifice in First Avenger because he eventually survived (unlike Steve Trevor in WW)...and it occurred to me that the same accusation could be made about Supes (no idea what raptor said previously...don't read all his posts)
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 10:59:47 GMT
1. Writing a good villain is the hardest thing in drama. Making the hero the actual lead of the story apparently is. Given how often the villains turn out to be the more entertaining one. Most anything by DC, for example. No, a good lead can be good if he's a well thought out character without needing the villain to be the real star of the show. Like Indiana Jones.
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