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Post by harpospoke on Oct 16, 2017 0:51:45 GMT
The Incredible Hulk was the worst one to me. The Hulk was a supporting character who made brief appearances and had no personality (or even the ability to talk) when he did show up. It's another Banner movie and Banner is one of the most boring characters in all of comics. Too bad the actor they hire plays Banner...which means the plot will always be focused on Banner. Andy Serkis is the only actor whose ego doesn't demand "face time' onscreen.
I put Ant-man in the middle of the pack for Marvel. Kinda fun...and I actually caught it a 2nd time and liked it more. But I'll probably never watch it again. They killed the villain again so there is no chance of developing him. Plus the villain was just another version of Ant-Man and that's not very creative. It didn't bother me in Iron Man but here it bugged me. (heh..."bugged") But Rudd was really good in the role and the rest of the cast was excellent too. That made up for some flaws.
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Post by scabab on Oct 16, 2017 1:18:52 GMT
I agree The Incredible Hulk was probably the worst one.
Edward Norton is a good actor but in that movie he seemed bored as hell. Out of all the main leads that Marvel have cast, Norton as Banner was the worst by far.
It may not be his fault. Could be the script or direction but it was a boring performance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 2:08:56 GMT
I know. I just would sometimes rather have niche cult classics than mainstream style hits... But, I think you can have it both ways. Look at The Winter Soldier- It embraces everything great about Cap's mythos/character, has its own distinct creative identity, delivers a movie that's memorable and high quality, ...and is also a big hit. But I understand that they could only do that (and succeed financially) once Cap was established as a household name (after Avengers) So maybe Ant Man and the Wasp will be everything that I hope... My concern though is that Peyton Reed is still the wrong director for the project. Exactly. While they MCU had a somewhat rocky start when it came to sequels (Ironman 2 and Thor: The Dark World), I think they're really starting to figure out how to make this insane thing they've built work. I do have high hopes for Ant Man & Wasp. I hope it will be to the first one what TWS was to Cap TFA. Thor 3 looks to be exactly that: a sequel that really goes all in on its titular character, achieving far more than its predecessors. I also think Doctor Strange 2 will really benefit from having the character established. I'm looking forward to that one. I just dont know if McKay/Reed are the team to deliver that sort of sequel. A change of directors/writers may have been the way to go. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 2:33:24 GMT
Exactly. While they MCU had a somewhat rocky start when it came to sequels (Ironman 2 and Thor: The Dark World), I think they're really starting to figure out how to make this insane thing they've built work. I do have high hopes for Ant Man & Wasp. I hope it will be to the first one what TWS was to Cap TFA. Thor 3 looks to be exactly that: a sequel that really goes all in on its titular character, achieving far more than its predecessors. I also think Doctor Strange 2 will really benefit from having the character established. I'm looking forward to that one. I just dont know if McKay/Reed are the team to deliver that sort of sequel. A change of directors/writers may have been the way to go. It wouldn't be the first time an unlikely writer/director combo in the MCU surprised the world. |
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Post by poelzig on Oct 16, 2017 3:29:13 GMT
I thought it had a chance to be entertaining. Paul Rudd can be charming and funny. I think Guardians of the Galaxy is the best mcu movie and Ant-Man seemed like it would be in the same vein. However, it was not good at all. The humor failed. The "action" was flat and uninspired. The plot and villains are always very forgettable in mcu films but Ant Man lowered the bar even further than usual. It was tough to sit through it until the end.
Also does Michael Pena remind anyone else of a latino Steve Zahn? Not funny but people inexplicably seem to think he's hilarious.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 16, 2017 4:04:33 GMT
Ant-Man was a damn good movie IMO. It sucks that Edgar Wright had to leave the project, but Peyton Reed did a good job filling in his shoes. Also liked Adam McKay's and Paul Rudd's revision of Edgar Wright's script.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 5:05:02 GMT
I do have high hopes for Ant Man & Wasp. I hope it will be to the first one what TWS was to Cap TFA. Thor 3 looks to be exactly that: a sequel that really goes all in on its titular character, achieving far more than its predecessors. I also think Doctor Strange 2 will really benefit from having the character established. I'm looking forward to that one. I just dont know if McKay/Reed are the team to deliver that sort of sequel. A change of directors/writers may have been the way to go. It wouldn't be the first time an unlikely writer/director combo in the MCU surprised the world. That's true, but this is their second outing with Ant Man. It may unrealistic to expect them to do anything vastly superior to what they did in the first movie. I guess my main problem with them is that they basically strived for a typical Hollywood action comedy with Ant Man and that's what makes it feel so inferior to me. Take Cap 1 in comparison where Joe Johnston aimed to capture the tone of an Indiana Jones style old fashioned action serial homage. It may not be a vastly better movie, but it definately has a more fitting identity, a lot more charm, and feels a lot less generic. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 5:37:26 GMT
It wouldn't be the first time an unlikely writer/director combo in the MCU surprised the world. That's true, but this is their second outing with Ant Man. It may unrealistic to expect them to do anything vastly superior to what they did in the first movie. I guess my main problem with them is that they basically strived for a typical Hollywood action comedy with Ant Man and that's what makes it feel so inferior to me. Take Cap 1 in comparison where Joe Johnston aimed to capture the tone of an Indiana Jones style old fashioned action serial homage. It may not be a vastly better movie, but it definately has a more fitting identity, a lot more charm, and feels a lot less generic. Ant-Man is going to be tough to do on the big screen no matter what they do, so at this point, I'm just hoping for another good movie. I won't be holding it against them if they fall short of a great movie in the sequel. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 16, 2017 6:08:08 GMT
That's true, but this is their second outing with Ant Man. It may unrealistic to expect them to do anything vastly superior to what they did in the first movie. I guess my main problem with them is that they basically strived for a typical Hollywood action comedy with Ant Man and that's what makes it feel so inferior to me. Take Cap 1 in comparison where Joe Johnston aimed to capture the tone of an Indiana Jones style old fashioned action serial homage. It may not be a vastly better movie, but it definately has a more fitting identity, a lot more charm, and feels a lot less generic. Ant-Man is going to be tough to do on the big screen no matter what they do, so at this point, I'm just hoping for another good movie. I won't be holding it against them if they fall short of a great movie in the sequel. It's almost the same group working for the sequel. Peyton Reed is back t direct and Paul Rudd is writing the script again along with 2 new writers. I don't see how they can't deliver again. I have high hopes for Ant-Man and the Wasp. |
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Post by miike80 on Oct 16, 2017 6:49:09 GMT
Antman might be the only MCU movie that i don't look forward to seeing the sequel. That and Thor 3, but at least i saw 2 of those
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 8:02:50 GMT
Ant-Man is going to be tough to do on the big screen no matter what they do, so at this point, I'm just hoping for another good movie. I won't be holding it against them if they fall short of a great movie in the sequel. It's almost the same group working for the sequel. Peyton Reed is back t direct and Paul Rudd is writing the script again along with 2 new writers. I don't see how they can't deliver again. I have high hopes for Ant-Man and the Wasp. Oh, I believe it'll be good. I'm just aware that they're working with a real balancing act here. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 8:59:56 GMT
Yes it sucked but others sucked more. Iron Man 3 is the worst. Snoring through a film is better than TOTALLY HATING IT.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 16, 2017 9:09:36 GMT
True. But I think the character really shines and could be the star of a truly great movie. His action scenes look great on screen. He just needs a higher quality screenplay. Marvel has really sold me on the character, but I still find his initial outing lackluster. Hope they do better in the sequel. I find his initial outing exactly what I was hoping it would be. Another baffling out-of-consensus and baseless statement: The contrary is the case.
IronMan 2 and Thor 2 are widely considered amongst the worst in the MCU bunch. Avengers 2 is generally considered a downstep and dire dissapointment. The same with Guardiens 2 which is a oft mocked travesty.
The only one where the second one was considered an improvement was Cap 2, but only because it was darker and more mature and the first one was extremely silly (laser battles in WW2, Hail hydra Nazis, Tomatoehead etc).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 13:17:57 GMT
Most of their sequels have been improvements. I find his initial outing exactly what I was hoping it would be. Another baffling out-of-consensus and baseless statement: The contrary is the case.
IronMan 2 and Thor 2 are widely considered amongst the worst in the MCU bunch. Avengers 2 is generally considered a downstep and dire dissapointment. The same with Guardiens 2 which is a oft mocked travesty.
The only one where the second one was considered an improvement was Cap 2, but only because it was darker and more mature and the first one was extremely silly (laser battles in WW2, Hail hydra Nazis, Tomatoehead etc).
Epic take-down. Facts always win. |
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Post by Jedan Archer on Oct 16, 2017 14:00:25 GMT
Meh, but I do not get the hate. Did no see it as the worst MCU, not even close.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 16, 2017 15:40:22 GMT
Another baffling out-of-consensus and baseless statement: The contrary is the case.
IronMan 2 and Thor 2 are widely considered amongst the worst in the MCU bunch. Avengers 2 is generally considered a downstep and dire dissapointment. The same with Guardiens 2 which is a oft mocked travesty.
The only one where the second one was considered an improvement was Cap 2, but only because it was darker and more mature and the first one was extremely silly (laser battles in WW2, Hail hydra Nazis, Tomatoehead etc).
Epic take-down. Facts always win. thanks, but a 8 year old could take down the raptor. I sometimes wonder if he secretly hates MCU because like a saboteur he always spits out the most obtuse and fallacious nonsense, too easy to debunk. His usual audience must be his sticky plastic ponies.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 16, 2017 15:52:28 GMT
This is where ArchAStanton would say, "it was a fantastic film, I dont see any problem with it" if he wasnt in self-exhile.
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Post by scabab on Oct 16, 2017 18:00:10 GMT
Now now come on, we were all doing really well by actually discussing the movie, let's not ruin it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 16, 2017 20:46:02 GMT
It was good, given it was really about the Pyms and Scott and NOT about the villain.
People really need to get over that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 22:25:18 GMT
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