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Post by scabab on Nov 5, 2017 7:32:27 GMT
It'll be interesting to see what JL opens to. I'd say it has to get 130 or better to really be considered a win given we're discussing JL vs Thor. Recent tracking has it at opening between $110-120 million so pretty much the same as Thor. It'll likely go up but I don't see it doing as well as Batman vs Superman. I also think if it opens anywhere near Thor numbers then it will ultimately gross less domestically because it probably won't get very good reviews so might fall apart quickly like Batman vs Superman did. Not that Marvel movies have the best legs either but it's good reviews could help it more.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 5, 2017 7:38:36 GMT
It'll be interesting to see what JL opens to. I'd say it has to get 130 or better to really be considered a win given we're discussing JL vs Thor. Recent tracking has it at opening between $110-120 million so pretty much the same as Thor. It'll likely go up but I don't see it doing as well as Batman vs Superman. I also think if it opens anywhere near Thor numbers then it will ultimately gross less domestically because it probably won't get very good reviews so might fall apart quickly like Batman vs Superman did. Not that Marvel movies have the best legs either but it's good reviews could help it more. That's kinda what I'm saying. Let's say Thor ends up with 115 and JL gets 120. That has to be concerning for DC.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 5, 2017 7:38:37 GMT
It'll be interesting to see what JL opens to. I'd say it has to get 130 or better to really be considered a win given we're discussing JL vs Thor. Recent tracking has it at opening between $110-120 million so pretty much the same as Thor. It'll likely go up but I don't see it doing as well as Batman vs Superman. I also think if it opens anywhere near Thor numbers then it will ultimately gross less domestically because it probably won't get very good reviews so might fall apart quickly like Batman vs Superman did. Not that Marvel movies have the best legs either but it's good reviews could help it more. Have you factored in the Wonder Woman bustier? Hee hee hee...
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 5, 2017 7:40:11 GMT
So not likely to open to the $125 million mentioned previously nor likely to actually open above Justice League Looks like it made $46.8 million on Friday and is heading to $116.5-118 million. The initial estimates for Ragnarok were $120 to $125 million so looks like Ragnorok is going to underperform. Since everyone said BvS (which grossed $873 million) was a flop because it underperformed, then by the same standards we have to say that Ragnarok is a flop for underperforming. So much for Ragnarok being the highest-rated CBM ever. It's already dropped from 99% to 93%, which puts it below The Dark Knight and Spider-Man 2. Seriously?
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Post by scabab on Nov 5, 2017 17:24:01 GMT
Looks like the weekend estimate came in higher at $121 million.
Worldwide it's at $427 million. So it's going to fly past the last two movies.
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Post by merh on Nov 5, 2017 19:27:00 GMT
It'll be interesting to see what JL opens to. I'd say it has to get 130 or better to really be considered a win given we're discussing JL vs Thor. Recent tracking has it at opening between $110-120 million so pretty much the same as Thor. It'll likely go up but I don't see it doing as well as Batman vs Superman. I also think if it opens anywhere near Thor numbers then it will ultimately gross less domestically because it probably won't get very good reviews so might fall apart quickly like Batman vs Superman did. Not that Marvel movies have the best legs either but it's good reviews could help it more. Snyder's films have faded fast, havent they? Mos 1st week-$156,728,823 Total domestic-$291,045,518 BvS-$209,072,793 Total-$330,360,194 SS-$179,104,728 Total-$325,100,05 WW-$147,822,503 Total-$412,550,942 So by the pattern, whatever it pulls in that first week will be about half it's total gross unless they have fixed the problem. WW beat the jinx. If this one does, maybe it means DC has worked out the kinks
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 5, 2017 22:23:14 GMT
So not likely to open to the $125 million mentioned previously nor likely to actually open above Justice League at all but still a mighty fine opening and a considerable improvement over the last one. www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4340&p=.htmThey also listed all the preview grosses for comparison but here's just the more recent ones so it's more of a fair comparison. Avengers: Age of Ultron - $27.6m preview ($191.27m opening) Captain America: Civil War - $25m preview ($179.14m opening) Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - $17m preview ($146.5m opening) Spider-Man: Homecoming - $15.4m preview ($117m opening) Thor: Ragnarok - $14.5m preview Doctor Strange - $9.4m preview ($85m opening) Ant-Man - $6.4m preview ($57.23m opening) $121 opening, and it's continuing to exceed all estimates that have been made. A larger Thursday than predicted. Larger presales. Larger first weekend. It's on a real roll.
2nd weekends are always interesting, but I saw an article that said over 25% of viewers said they planned to rewatch it, an 85% said they would recommend it to friends. It might have legs.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 5, 2017 22:35:25 GMT
Congratulations to Taika Waititi, Chris Hemsworth,Cate Blanchett and Mark Ruffalo!
Definitely plan on seeing it again!
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Post by merh on Nov 6, 2017 1:47:35 GMT
So not likely to open to the $125 million mentioned previously nor likely to actually open above Justice League at all but still a mighty fine opening and a considerable improvement over the last one. www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4340&p=.htmThey also listed all the preview grosses for comparison but here's just the more recent ones so it's more of a fair comparison. Avengers: Age of Ultron - $27.6m preview ($191.27m opening) Captain America: Civil War - $25m preview ($179.14m opening) Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - $17m preview ($146.5m opening) Spider-Man: Homecoming - $15.4m preview ($117m opening) Thor: Ragnarok - $14.5m preview Doctor Strange - $9.4m preview ($85m opening) Ant-Man - $6.4m preview ($57.23m opening) $121 opening, and it's continuing to exceed all estimates that have been made. A larger Thursday than predicted. Larger presales. Larger first weekend. It's on a real roll.
2nd weekends are always interesting, but I saw an article that said over 25% of viewers said they planned to rewatch it, an 85% said they would recommend it to friends. It might have legs.
Thor opened with $65 mill, made $181 (2.7 times) Dark World opened with $85 mill & made $206 (2.4 times) So we're looking at ending in the $300 mill range. If BvS hasn't broken the jinx, a $125 mill open leaves it around $300 mill. WW did well, but if she isn't presented well, she can't save JLA.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 6, 2017 2:14:58 GMT
The initial estimates for Ragnarok were $120 to $125 million so looks like Ragnorok is going to underperform. Looks like it didn’t underperform. $121 million. Stepped in it again, didn’t you?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 6, 2017 4:11:28 GMT
$121 opening, and it's continuing to exceed all estimates that have been made. A larger Thursday than predicted. Larger presales. Larger first weekend. It's on a real roll.
2nd weekends are always interesting, but I saw an article that said over 25% of viewers said they planned to rewatch it, an 85% said they would recommend it to friends. It might have legs.
Thor opened with $65 mill, made $181 (2.7 times) Dark World opened with $85 mill & made $206 (2.4 times) So we're looking at ending in the $300 mill range. If BvS hasn't broken the jinx, a $125 mill open leaves it around $300 mill. WW did well, but if she isn't presented well, she can't save JLA. I think it might be more appropriate to compare it to more recent MCU films rather than past Thor films. The MCU has changed the landscape for what comic films are worth as a whole.
That being said, Guardians 2 was 2.66x so you're absolutely right about your estimate :-) Spidey was at 2.85 so right in line.
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Post by scabab on Nov 6, 2017 17:03:50 GMT
BOM actually did bring this up.
"On average, films in the MCU deliver 2.72x multipliers, which would put Ragnarok's domestic run over $330 million if it merely holds to the average, but we're expecting it to play a bit better thanks in large part to strong reviews and opening weekend audience reception."
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 9, 2017 2:44:28 GMT
BOM actually did bring this up. "On average, films in the MCU deliver 2.72x multipliers, which would put Ragnarok's domestic run over $330 million if it merely holds to the average, but we're expecting it to play a bit better thanks in large part to strong reviews and opening weekend audience reception." Tracking for 60mil this weekend. That puts it well over $200 by weekend 2. Going to be around $600 WW.
Where do you think it ends up?
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 9, 2017 3:05:10 GMT
BOM actually did bring this up. "On average, films in the MCU deliver 2.72x multipliers, which would put Ragnarok's domestic run over $330 million if it merely holds to the average, but we're expecting it to play a bit better thanks in large part to strong reviews and opening weekend audience reception." Tracking for 60mil this weekend.
So that would be a 2nd weekend drop of 51%. Not as bad as the huge 60% drop by SMH, but worse than the 43% of Wonder Woman.
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Post by scabab on Nov 9, 2017 3:07:29 GMT
BOM actually did bring this up. "On average, films in the MCU deliver 2.72x multipliers, which would put Ragnarok's domestic run over $330 million if it merely holds to the average, but we're expecting it to play a bit better thanks in large part to strong reviews and opening weekend audience reception." Tracking for 60mil this weekend. That puts it well over $200 by weekend 2. Going to be around $600 WW.
Where do you think it ends up?
I still think it will fall short of Spider-man Homecoming but not by much. Could still make over $800 million worldwide. Depends what kind of effect Justice League has on it. It was years ago but when The Dark Knight Rises opened a couple weeks after The Amazing Spider-man it pretty much killed it off.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 9, 2017 3:11:55 GMT
Tracking for 60mil this weekend. That puts it well over $200 by weekend 2. Going to be around $600 WW.
Where do you think it ends up?
I still think it will fall short of Spider-man Homecoming but not by much. Could still make over $800 million worldwide. Depends what kind of effect Justice League has on it. It was years ago but when The Dark Knight Rises opened a couple weeks after The Amazing Spider-man it pretty much killed it off. Well I'd thought it'd get 800 pretty comfy because it's going to be at like 650 by the time JL even debuts. It should be able to limp out another 150 right?
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 9, 2017 3:12:49 GMT
BOM actually did bring this up. "On average, films in the MCU deliver 2.72x multipliers, which would put Ragnarok's domestic run over $330 million if it merely holds to the average, but we're expecting it to play a bit better thanks in large part to strong reviews and opening weekend audience reception." Only 2.72 for MCU? That's really low compared to Wonder Woman's multiplier.
Wonder Woman opened with $103 and is now at $412 so Wonder Woman had a multiplier of 4, which may be the highest ever for a superhero movie.
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Post by scabab on Nov 9, 2017 3:35:09 GMT
BOM actually did bring this up. "On average, films in the MCU deliver 2.72x multipliers, which would put Ragnarok's domestic run over $330 million if it merely holds to the average, but we're expecting it to play a bit better thanks in large part to strong reviews and opening weekend audience reception." Only 2.72 for MCU? That's really low compared to Wonder Woman's multiplier.
Wonder Woman opened with $103 and is now at $412 so Wonder Woman had a multiplier of 4, which may be the highest ever for a superhero movie.
Superhero movies have always been generally frontloaded. A 2.72x multiplier is pretty decent even by ordinary blockbuster standards where a 3x multiplier is considered good. Wonder Woman's multiplier is pretty rare for this kind of movie in today's times. It ain't the highest ever because just off the top of my head Batman had over a 6 times multiplier but it's probably the highest in the past many years. Which is actually the polar opposite of Batman vs Superman which had the worst multiplier for a superhero movie.... possibly ever. I'd have to check.
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Post by scabab on Nov 9, 2017 3:38:31 GMT
I still think it will fall short of Spider-man Homecoming but not by much. Could still make over $800 million worldwide. Depends what kind of effect Justice League has on it. It was years ago but when The Dark Knight Rises opened a couple weeks after The Amazing Spider-man it pretty much killed it off. Well I'd thought it'd get 800 pretty comfy because it's going to be at like 650 by the time JL even debuts. It should be able to limp out another 150 right? Well it'll take a big fall naturally just from how China always screeches to a halt very quickly but it could do. I'd have to check what Guardians of the Galaxy 2 was at after its third weekend. I'll have a look.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 9, 2017 3:44:13 GMT
Well I'd thought it'd get 800 pretty comfy because it's going to be at like 650 by the time JL even debuts. It should be able to limp out another 150 right? Well it'll take a big fall naturally just from how China always screeches to a halt very quickly but it could do. I'd have to check what Guardians of the Galaxy 2 was at after its third weekend. I'll have a look. While you're at it, what's your prediction on the JL opening weekend?
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