|
Post by Jedan Archer on Nov 23, 2017 21:18:15 GMT
Hmmm, according to a new development the original contracts state that if Fox sells their Movie Division the rights of every Marvel property they still own will automatically revert to Marvel. Since Fox seems set on selling their Movie Division, no matter WHO buys it Disney wins. Lol, sounds like a nerd legend. So, if selling the IP-holding entity those lucrative IP rights transfer back automatically without any payment? Or how is the current IP price determined? Maybe back then they agreed on a right of preemption, but that would only mean that the rights must be offered to Marvel first. But one can dream.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Nov 24, 2017 1:12:31 GMT
Hmmm, according to a new development the original contracts state that if Fox sells their Movie Division the rights of every Marvel property they still own will automatically revert to Marvel. Since Fox seems set on selling their Movie Division, no matter WHO buys it Disney wins. Lol, sounds like a nerd legend. So, if selling the IP-holding entity those lucrative IP rights transfer back automatically without any payment? Or how is the current IP price determined? Maybe back then they agreed on a right of preemption, but that would only mean that the rights must be offered to Marvel first. But one can dream. Agreed. Sounds like a nerd legend. I'm sure a big company like Fox had a team of lawyers look over the original contract before Fox signed it. No lawyers would agree to just let those rights transfer back to Marvel simply on sale of Fox to another company. Because that would make Fox worthless to a potential buyer.
Imagine if a potential buyer is interested in buying Fox and considers the best part of buying Fox is the sole movie rights for X-Men and Fantastic Four. Now if those rights didn't transfer over in the sale, then that would lessen the appeal for any potential buyers to buy out Fox or drastically lower the sale price. So Fox's lawyers would've never agreed to that.
At best, Marvel has a stipulation in the contract that should Fox sell to another company, Marvel has the right to make a matching offer first and if Marvel matches the offer, then Fox has to accept Marvel's offer instead of the other company's offer. But if Marvel can't match the offer, then Fox can sell to the other company and the X-Men and Fantastic Four movie rights would be transferred to the buyer.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Nov 24, 2017 2:26:09 GMT
Hmmm, according to a new development the original contracts state that if Fox sells their Movie Division the rights of every Marvel property they still own will automatically revert to Marvel. Since Fox seems set on selling their Movie Division, no matter WHO buys it Disney wins. Lol, sounds like a nerd legend. So, if selling the IP-holding entity those lucrative IP rights transfer back automatically without any payment? Yes, because the movie rights were sold to Fox and Fox alone. Not something they can just transfer to anyone.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Nov 24, 2017 2:27:06 GMT
Lol, sounds like a nerd legend. So, if selling the IP-holding entity those lucrative IP rights transfer back automatically without any payment? Or how is the current IP price determined? Maybe back then they agreed on a right of preemption, but that would only mean that the rights must be offered to Marvel first. But one can dream. Agreed. Sounds like a nerd legend. I'm sure a big company like Fox had a team of lawyers look over the original contract before Fox signed it. No lawyers would agree to just let those rights transfer back to Marvel simply on sale of Fox to another company. Because that would make Fox worthless to a potential buyer. Not if at the time they didn't know what a hot property they'd be, because Fox has more to offer than just X-Men.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Nov 24, 2017 3:06:49 GMT
Lol, sounds like a nerd legend. So, if selling the IP-holding entity those lucrative IP rights transfer back automatically without any payment? Yes, because the movie rights were sold to Fox and Fox alone. Not something they can just transfer to anyone. Fox can transfer it anyone. The bought the rights so they own it and can sell it to whoever they want. It's no different than me buying a car from a dealer and then selling it to someone else. I bought the car so I can sell it to whomever I want to and it doesn't go back to the dealer.
Same thing with real estate. POTUS probably has a lot of experience with that. Buying real estate and then flipping it and selling it for a higher price and making a profit. The property doesn't revert back to the previous owner.
The only question is whether or not they have to allow Marvel to make a matching offer for any sale to another company. If it's not required in the contract, then Fox can sell all or part of any of their properties to any other company and that other company would own it.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Nov 24, 2017 3:15:37 GMT
Agreed. Sounds like a nerd legend. I'm sure a big company like Fox had a team of lawyers look over the original contract before Fox signed it. No lawyers would agree to just let those rights transfer back to Marvel simply on sale of Fox to another company. Because that would make Fox worthless to a potential buyer. Not if at the time they didn't know what a hot property they'd be, because Fox has more to offer than just X-Men. Fox didn't need to know whether or not it would be a hot property. Because lawyers anticipate these things so that's why lawyers would never allow Fox to sign such a contract that would simply revert the rights back to Marvel.
It's like a pre-nuptial agreement. Nobody gets married thinking that their marriage will end in divorce. But lawyers anticipate these things so lawyers make sure their rich clients are protected by having a pre-nuptial agreement.
Same with the properties that Fox owns. Fox may not know which properties will be hot in a decade from now, but the lawyers anticipate these things so the lawyers make sure that Fox is protected by not signing any contract that would simply revert their rights back to Marvel.
So like I said before, at best, Marvel has a stipulation in the contract that should Fox sell to another company, Marvel has the right to make a matching offer first and if Marvel matches the offer, then Fox has to accept Marvel's offer instead of the other company's offer. But if Marvel can't match the offer, then Fox can sell to the other company and the X-Men and Fantastic Four movie rights would be transferred to the buyer.
|
|
|
Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 24, 2017 3:15:46 GMT
Yes, because the movie rights were sold to Fox and Fox alone. Not something they can just transfer to anyone. Fox can transfer it anyone. The bought the rights so they own it and can sell it to whoever they want. It's no different than me buying a car from a dealer and then selling it to someone else. I bought the car so I can sell it to whomever I want to and it doesn't go back to the dealer.
Same thing with real estate. POTUS probably has a lot of experience with that. Buying real estate and then flipping it and selling it for a higher price and making a profit. The property doesn't revert back to the previous owner.
The only question is whether or not they have to allow Marvel to make a matching offer for any sale to another company. If it's not required in the contract, then Fox can sell all or part of any of their properties to any other company and that other company would own it.
Has anyone actually looked into this or y'all just talking out of your ass?
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Nov 24, 2017 3:15:59 GMT
Yes, because the movie rights were sold to Fox and Fox alone. Not something they can just transfer to anyone. Fox can transfer it anyone. The bought the rights so they own it and can sell it to whoever they want.
The deal states that Marvel gets them back if Fox tries to sell them to anyone else, probably because Marvel wanted to keep them from doing so and Fox didn't realize what they had since they have so many other series under their control too. So they were fine with it. Stick to your IT job Ken, legalities aren't your forte.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Nov 24, 2017 3:33:45 GMT
Fox can transfer it anyone. The bought the rights so they own it and can sell it to whoever they want.
The deal states that Marvel gets them back if Fox tries to sell them to anyone else Prove it. probably because Marvel wanted to keep them from doing so and Fox didn't realize what they had since they have so many other series under their control too. So they were fine with it. 1st, doesn't matter what Marvel wanted. Fox would never sign a contract without a team of lawyers going through it. And no competent lawyer would allow Fox to sign a contract that would prevent them from selling property that they bought since that would lessen value of Fox for a potential buyer should Fox decide later on to sell the company to another buyer. 2nd, again it doesn't matter if Fox realized what they had or not. Lawyers anticipate these things and make sure their clients are protected. Like I said before, nobody gets married thinking their marriage will end in divorce. But lawyers anticipate these things so they make sure their rich clients are protected by having pre-nuptial agreements. Same with the Fox contract. Fox's lawyers would've made sure Fox was protected by not allowing Fox to sign any contract that would simply revert their rights back to Marvel. 3rd, Fox wouldn't be fine with it because Fox's lawyers would certainly not be fine with it. No competent lawyer would allow their client to sign a contract that simply reverts the rights back to the previous owner because that would lessen the company's value for potential buyers if they decide to sell to another buyer in the future.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Nov 24, 2017 3:36:11 GMT
The deal states that Marvel gets them back if Fox tries to sell them to anyone else Prove it. When Fox sells (which they want to do) and the rights revert, it'll be the proof. 1st, doesn't matter what Marvel wanted. Fox would never sign a contract without a team of lawyers going through it. Not if they didn't think the rights weren't worth much at the time.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Nov 24, 2017 3:42:01 GMT
Fox can transfer it anyone. The bought the rights so they own it and can sell it to whoever they want. It's no different than me buying a car from a dealer and then selling it to someone else. I bought the car so I can sell it to whomever I want to and it doesn't go back to the dealer.
Same thing with real estate. POTUS probably has a lot of experience with that. Buying real estate and then flipping it and selling it for a higher price and making a profit. The property doesn't revert back to the previous owner.
The only question is whether or not they have to allow Marvel to make a matching offer for any sale to another company. If it's not required in the contract, then Fox can sell all or part of any of their properties to any other company and that other company would own it.
Has anyone actually looked into this or y'all just talking out of your ass? It's common knowledge. Have you ever done any investing? Because that works the same way.
If I own shares of a corporation, then I have voting rights. I can sell my shares and transfer my voting rights to someone else. The corporation can't prohibit me from selling my shares and transferring my voting rights to someone else, and the shares and voting rights don't revert back to the corporation.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Nov 24, 2017 3:50:43 GMT
It's common knowledge. Have you ever done any investing? Yes, which is why we know you don't know what you're talking about in thinking that specific rights contracts and how shares operate are in any ways similar. Stick to IT Ken, this is not your aptitude.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Nov 24, 2017 3:51:11 GMT
When Fox sells (which they want to do) and the rights revert, it'll be the proof. In other words, you have no proof and (like hauntedknight87 wrote) you're just talking out of your ass. Not if they didn't think the rights weren't worth much at the time. Are all MCU fans as slow as you? I'll explain it to you again. Doesn't matter whether or not Fox thought it was worth something or not worth much at the time. Their lawyers would anticipate that Fox might someday entertain buyout offers from potential buyers so their lawyers would protect Fox by not allowing Fox to sign a contract that would simply revert the rights back to Marvel. People don't think their marriage will end in divorce when they get married. So according to your flawed logic, there would never be any pre-nuptial agreements because people don't think they're going to get divorced when they get married.
But there are pre-nuptial agreements because lawyers anticipate that a marriage could end in divorce so the lawyers protect their clients by having pre-nuptial agreements. Same with the movie rights for X-Men and the Fantastic Four. Doesn't matter if Fox didn't think they were worth much at the time because the lawyers would anticipate Fox deciding to sell someday and thus the lawyers would protect Fox by not allowing them to sign a contract that would simply revert the rights back to Marvel.
So like I explained to you many times, at best, Marvel has a stipulation in the contract that should Fox sell to another company, Marvel has the right to make a matching offer first and if Marvel matches the offer, then Fox has to accept Marvel's offer instead of the other company's offer. But if Marvel can't match the offer, then Fox can sell to the other company and the X-Men and Fantastic Four movie rights would be transferred to the buyer.
|
|
|
Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 24, 2017 5:00:09 GMT
It's common knowledge. Have you ever done any investing? Yes, which is why we know you don't know what you're talking about in thinking that specific rights contracts and how shares operate are in any ways similar. Stick to IT Ken, this is not your aptitude. It's inevitable. Marvel will get the rights back. Look at their track record.
|
|
|
Post by harpospoke on Nov 24, 2017 5:25:20 GMT
Fox can transfer it anyone. The bought the rights so they own it and can sell it to whoever they want. It's no different than me buying a car from a dealer and then selling it to someone else. I bought the car so I can sell it to whomever I want to and it doesn't go back to the dealer.
Same thing with real estate. POTUS probably has a lot of experience with that. Buying real estate and then flipping it and selling it for a higher price and making a profit. The property doesn't revert back to the previous owner.
The only question is whether or not they have to allow Marvel to make a matching offer for any sale to another company. If it's not required in the contract, then Fox can sell all or part of any of their properties to any other company and that other company would own it.
Has anyone actually looked into this or y'all just talking out of your ass? That's what I would like to know. DC Fan keeps claiming that Fox "owns" those characters. That's not true at all. They are only renting them. As evidenced by the fact that Marvel has already gotten some of them back without paying a cent for them. If Fox "owned" Daredevil, Marvel would have had to pay to get him back. So any claims based on the idea that Fox "owns" those characters is built on a flawed starting point. Fox did not buy them so the idea that they could sell them without Marvel's permission does not sound logical to me.
|
|
|
Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 24, 2017 5:35:28 GMT
That's because they have the artificial boosters of Disney's marketing machine and the critics/RT in their back pocket. The table is tilted, and anyone who can't see it is a rube and mark. Except Iron Man proves you wrong. That came out before Disney was involved and still grossed more than any Fox Xmen movie. Iron Man: $318,412,101 Highest X-movie: $234,362,462 You'll need a new excuse. Nah, Iron Man had artificial boosters and was creatively bankrupt and made the villains the stars and was too grounded.
|
|
Lee
Sophomore
@neo
Posts: 327
Likes: 177
|
Post by Lee on Nov 24, 2017 10:28:07 GMT
That's because they have the artificial boosters of Disney's marketing machine and the critics/RT in their back pocket. The table is tilted, and anyone who can't see it is a rube and mark. Except Iron Man proves you wrong. That came out before Disney was involved and still grossed more than any Fox Xmen movie. Iron Man: $318,412,101 Highest X-movie: $363,070,709 You'll need a new excuse. Fixed. And if you come with the box office, release the real numbers, not only domestic.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Nov 24, 2017 12:47:20 GMT
Marvel will get their rights back no matter what. Happy over this? Yes.
|
|
Lee
Sophomore
@neo
Posts: 327
Likes: 177
|
Post by Lee on Nov 24, 2017 13:12:39 GMT
Fake fans maybe. Real and true Marvel fans, doesn't have any problem with the X-Men movies. Because they can seperate Comics and movies.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Nov 24, 2017 13:20:52 GMT
Fake fans maybe. Real and true Marvel fans, doesn't have any problem with the X-Men movies. Because they can seperate Comics and movies. As opposed to the X-Fans, who have always hated the rest of Marvel except for the X-Men characters (and maybe Spider-Man).
|
|