Post by Agent of Chaos on Jan 10, 2018 1:42:29 GMT
No I'm clearly talking about the X-men franchise. You just don't like that I clarified the point that you tried to twist into something else.
No, you weren’t. I proved that by quoting you comparing characters. This is just an attempt to cover-up your failure because of that sensitive ego of your’s.
Are we pretending the general audience knew any of that existed? The fanboys knew about Cap's shield. For everyone else it was just him propping up something with a "thingy".
The general audience knew about Cap’s shield because they saw it in Iron Man 2. So when the First Avengers poster showed up people recognized the shield and saw the subtitle “First Avenger” which was also mentioned several times in Iron Man 2.
Building up those B listers like you mentioned with the post credit scene is of course what I'm talking about. Marvel made them into A listers. Fox has never come close with the X-men. Luckily now we don't have to worry about it going into the future.
It seems you don’t know what an A-listers mean. Thor isn’t one. The Box Office of Thor 2 shows that he’s the least popular Avenger and Marvel felt they needed Hulk in the third film. Even Loki is more popular than him.
Thank you. Cap even had the Avengers to boost his popularity....AND had a 22 year head start...and still ended up behind the X-men.
You need to work on your reading comprehensions.
The X-men are a group, not individuals. And they were always a bigger deal than Cap and Thor. Just like Avengers is a bigger deal than Cap and Thor. They were also always bigger than Iron Man. In Fox's hands, the X-men never achieved their potential while Marvel sprinted past them with less popular franchises.
Thanks for officially confirming you don’t read Marvel comics or know it’s publication history. The X-Men were a failure when it came out and was canceled twice. It was no bad that they had the Avenger characters make guess star to boost sales. The X-Men didn’t become more popular until the 80s under Chris Claremont. 😂
Please, stop pretending that you know anything about Marvel.
As has been mentioned, the only reason Marvel started with Iron Man is because they didn't have Spider-Man or the X-men. This should be obvious if you aren't being willfully blind.
No, it’s because Ultimate Iron Man were very popular. His series sold in the hundred thousands. Marvel even admitted they made Tony like the Ultimate version. Otherwise they would have likely had started out with Cap since he is one of Marvel’s flagship characters. That should be obvious if you actual check interviews and not make wild guesses like you’re doing.
In case you didn’t know: The Avenger films are based series that sold better than the regular X-Men comic.
Is this where you pretend games mean something to the general audience? If a comic book movie got those box office totals, it would be labeled a bust. The most successful one is in Fantastic Four range. And that's the TOP grossing one. (with an assist from Angelina Jolie...her 8th highest grossing movie)
www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=videogameadaptation.htm
www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=videogameadaptation.htm
Missing the point completely. Which is that they are not B-listers in the context of the comic fandom. Cap and Thor are popular among among readers hence why they appear in Marvel games and cartoons.
So you made a post after that one to cover yourself? How about doing it here when it counted instead of letting it completely pass when it supported Fox but then suddenly getting up in arms about it when it didn't benefit Fox?
I made that thread before you even replied me. So sorry, you’re the only one in this thread trying to cover up an epic fail.
Doesn't matter who Fox management was. They all acted the same about DP. It wasn't happening for the ENTIRE decade. They didn't get passionate about it 5 years ago either. RR had to leak the footage online in a desperate attempt to make it happen. That's the facts and that doesn't remotely suggest that Fox was eager to do DP. Like you said, Rothman was gone and RR still had to resort to that tactic to get DP made. That's who Fox was.
It's R so of course it's low budget. That is nothing new. That's how it works.
It's R so of course it's low budget. That is nothing new. That's how it works.
Uh, Rothman was fired shortly before the leak. Not no decade ago.
So after claiming video games makes characters into A listers now you want to dismiss a popular animated show that was far bigger than any video game. lol...nice try.
No, you just have very terrible reading comprehension skills.
Are you talking about that horrible 70s TV show that never once broke into the top 25 in the ratings? ...Back when there was no cable for competition? Oh yeah...it was "massive". I notice you listed the ONE thing anyone knew about the show while implying there were more than that.
Oh, wow. Now you’re trying to downplay the popularity of the 70s Hulk show? 😆 The show had as many seasons as the animated X-Men series and three TV movies after it ended. You’re really trying to cling to your argument.
Naturally you don't want to talk about the fact that Logan was featured in just about every Fox movie while the Hulk languished in limbo and then was a mute non-character when he was in a movie. (Thank you Thor 3 for finally making the Hulk a real character) So yeah...Fox developed one character into an A lister over the past 18 years and that was Logan.
Well I don’t want to talk about it because you are dead wrong. Did you forget that Hulk and Bruce Banner are one of the same? He was already a real character. Now you are just reaching.
You seriously think you just pick one character from their movies and claim that proves they haven't established multiple characters over the past 10 years?
Well there is also the Warriors Trio and Lady Sif which are major characters in the Thor mythos.
We now live in a world where Marvel can release a trailer for Infinity War and it breaks records for views as people see over a dozen characters they know and can't wait to see onscreen together.
Thor
Iron Man
Cap
Peter Quill
Spidey
Black Panther
Winter Soldier
Black Widow
Dr Strange
Gamora
Groot
Rocket
Drax
Vision
Scarlet Witch
Hulk
They've done such a good job they didn't even need to include Ant-Man....which many people wondered about.
This is an embarrassing blowout in Marvel's favor. Fox has been pathetic at developing characters and they've had 8 years longer to do it. Just comparing how well Marvel did with a group of unknown characters with GotG and how Fox epic failed with a group of known characters with FF is the best example ever in the difference between the two studios. Fox has had their butts kicked by Marvel in every way possible on a regular basis.
Thor
Iron Man
Cap
Peter Quill
Spidey
Black Panther
Winter Soldier
Black Widow
Dr Strange
Gamora
Groot
Rocket
Drax
Vision
Scarlet Witch
Hulk
They've done such a good job they didn't even need to include Ant-Man....which many people wondered about.
This is an embarrassing blowout in Marvel's favor. Fox has been pathetic at developing characters and they've had 8 years longer to do it. Just comparing how well Marvel did with a group of unknown characters with GotG and how Fox epic failed with a group of known characters with FF is the best example ever in the difference between the two studios. Fox has had their butts kicked by Marvel in every way possible on a regular basis.
Quicksilver was an unknown characterand Fox made a popular character out of him unlike Marvel.
And you don’t watch the X-Men films so how can you make such a claim about character development?
You got all of that wrong. The fact you got it so wrong and actually think you are right is telling. I watch every comic book movie obviously. Even the bad Fox ones. Sony and WB made some bad ones too and watched those as well. I sat through terrible things like the Wolverine movies, Suicide Squad, and Amazing Spider-Man crap and deserve credit for that! 
Nah, I think I got it all right. Otherwise you wouldn’t have made that idiotic argument about First Class. At the very least you don’t read Marvel comics.
It's far too late for Fox to be successful with the X-men now. Unless Dark Phoenix breaks out...which is not likely. Most likely that the Dark Phoenix saga will be another failure and that story will have to be postponed for 20 years. It reeks of desperation that Fox went for that one again.
LMAO the X-Men have been successful for almost two decades. And the creative team has been wanting to do Dark Phoenix again for over a decade.