Disney could possibly buy 20th century fox.

Er, Ghostbusters gave us practically a joke every other line. And there was PLENTY of camp in that film.

Thanks for showing your close-mindedness once again. CBMs must only ever be done one way and no other way ever, right?

I think Logan will still be considered the one of the best up there with the Dark Knight.

It's just going back and forth. I won't lock this thread up just yet. Freedom of speech.

Ok I'll clarify.   They had 4 films to establish the X-men franchise...which again....was more popular than Cap and Thor were when Fox started making those movies in 2000.


I guess you think you can get away with listing total comics sold for characters that have different histories?   Cap had a 22 year head start and STILL ended up behind X-men in total sales.   That's how much Cap was on a lower tier than X-men.   Post 1980, it's not close.

Of course Cap and Thor were B listers.   There were not very many A lister Marvel characters in 2008.   There was Spidey and X-men.  The next tier down would be Hulk, Blade, and FF.   There really aren't very many A list comic characters in general.   DC had basically 3...Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman (and their various clones).

And if you believe that Thor and Cap were A listers in 2008 you need to inform summers8.   Funny how you didn't "correct" a Fox fanboy...and that's where the original point originated.


Thank you.  I understand the reasons why the Marvel movies trounced the Fox movie.   As a matter of fact those reasons were my main point.   Marvel has made movies the public likes while Fox has lagged far behind Marvel with that.    Those box office numbers were earned by those studios exactly as you said.


Actually that's completely true.   RR revealed that he had been trying to get the DP movie made for a decade.  He finally had to resort to leaking the test footage online to convince Fox to do it.   It was his last gasp effort and it worked.   And of course he had to go with a lower budget to get them to finally do it.    Fox doesn't get credit for that one.   They proved they didn't care about it for a decade and RR practically had to twist their arms to get it made.

This is the Fox Deadpool:



Yes I'm saying Hulk is less of a star than Logan.

But again thanks for pointing out again how Marvel is able to put multiple characters in a movie and have the audience like all of them.   So much better than the Wolverine and Friends Fox movies.

....Which of course I watched.    I love the X-men.   Too bad Fox didn't know how to make X-men films.

But again that's not a problem any more.   Good bye Fox...and good riddance.   Can't wait to see the real X-men and FF in future Marvel movies.

I'm sorry the movie didn't spoon feed you some dark and dreary sadness so you would know when to feel something.

You’re not clarifying, you’re just trying to save face after realizing that argument showed how uninformed you are. Because you were clearly talking about establishing characters.



But let’s pretend that you really meant the franchise, that argument is also idiotic. Thor and Cap were the fourth and fifth films in a franchise just like First Class. Fucking Iron Man 2 is critized for trying way too hard to make sure the audience knew those movies are in the same universe. Mentioning the Avengers which would be the subtitle of the Cap movie, showing Cap’s iconic shield, having characters that would appear in those movies like Coulson and Howard Stark, and having the post-credit scene with Thor’s hammer, etc.



Much of Cap’s appeances are in Avenger books as he’s the team’s longest running leader. So that should boost him pass the X-Men. But that doesn’t really matter since First Class didn’t have any popular X-Men in it and my point was that Cap isn’t a B-lister, so your point is moot either way. The X-Men in First Class range from B to C-listers. Xavier, Beast, Havok, Banshee, Darwin, and Angel Salvadore. You seriously think these these are the characters that made the X-Men popular?😆




If they were B-listers they wouldn’t have had so many cartoon and video game appearances. The Marvel vs Capcom series is HUGE and it had Captain America and Thor as playable characters before their movies. You didn’t play as Xavier, Beast, Havok, Banshee, Darwin, and Angel Salvadore in any of those games. Because that was about playing as classic Marvel characters. The only character in First Class that was in those games was Magneto.



And I already address that guy in another thread I made.

imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/78072/kevin-feige-involved-first-films



Uh, the current Fox management is not the same as it was a decade ago. The guy who held Deadpool back(Ton Rothman) was fired before the movie was before the video was leaked. And no, RR push for low budget for a bigger profit and it worked. It’s the reason why Tim Miller left and why Deadpool 2 is also low budget.



Then you have no idea what you are talking about. The Incredible Hulk live action TV series from the 70s was a massive culture phenomenon which has led to the Hulk having far more more pop culture references(“You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry”) than any Marvel character except arguably Spider-Man. While Wolverine was only known to comic readers and people who watched the Fox kids before the movies.

Not to mention Hulk has had far more cartoons and video games based on him than Logan. Hulk has always been far bigger icon way before MCU even existed.



You seriously think Quicksilver from AOU is liked?



No you haven’t. You’re arguments pretty confirm that. I mean you said the B-C list characters in First Class were popular X-Men in the comics and were the same cast as the previous films.🙄 I’ve meant your type before. You’re just one of those MCU fans that has only reads Wikipedia articles, watch YouTube video that talk about the X-Men, and maybe watch the cartoon when you were a kid but don’t want to read the actual comics.



Yet you think Kevin Feige can? Because he worked on the earlier X-Men films and the Wolverine & The X-Men cartoon. He’s likely the reason why those movies focused on Wolverine so heavily and you can tell by Wolverine and The X-Men. 😆



Bob Iger implied that Disney wants the Fox series to keep going if they are successful. But he wants Kevin Fiege to supervise.

Thanks, that's very nice of you to say.

Yes, Hulk has been a cultural icon (well, for a comic book character) for decades. But never truly as successful as Spidey or the X-Men. He really is a character that works better when in stories with other characters.

It's not just that. His whole persona as this basic minded beast makes him hard to write for unless you make him more sentient the way the Planet Hulk storyline did. Without that, you need to have Bruce Banner in the story a lot...but this creates the paradox wherein the audience resents him for keeping them from the Hulk.

No I'm clearly talking about the X-men franchise.   You just don't like that I clarified the point that you tried to twist into something else.


Are we pretending the general audience knew any of that existed?   The fanboys knew about Cap's shield.   For everyone else it was just him propping up something with a "thingy".

Building up those B listers like you mentioned with the post credit scene is of course what I'm talking about.  Marvel made them into A listers.   Fox has never come close with the X-men.   Luckily now we don't have to worry about it going into the future.   


Thank you.   Cap even had the Avengers to boost his popularity....AND had a 22 year head start...and still ended up behind the X-men.

The X-men are a group, not individuals.   And they were always a bigger deal than Cap and Thor.    Just like Avengers is a bigger deal than Cap and Thor.   They were also always bigger than Iron Man.   In Fox's hands, the X-men never achieved their potential while Marvel sprinted past them with less popular franchises.

As has been mentioned, the only reason Marvel started with Iron Man is because they didn't have Spider-Man or the X-men.   This should be obvious if you aren't being willfully blind.


Is this where you pretend games mean something to the general audience?   If a comic book movie got those box office totals, it would be labeled a bust.    The most successful one  is in Fantastic Four range.  And that's the TOP grossing one.   (with an assist from  Angelina Jolie...her 8th highest grossing movie)

www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=videogameadaptation.htm


So you made a post after that one to cover yourself?   How about doing it here when it counted instead of letting it completely pass when it supported Fox but then suddenly getting up in arms about it when it didn't benefit Fox?


Doesn't matter who Fox management was.   They all acted the same about DP.   It wasn't happening for the ENTIRE decade.   They didn't get passionate about it 5 years ago either.   RR had to leak the footage online in a desperate attempt to make it happen.   That's the facts and that doesn't remotely suggest that Fox was eager to do DP.   Like you said, Rothman was gone and RR still had to resort to that tactic to get DP made.   That's who Fox was.

It's R so of course it's low budget.   That is nothing new.   That's how it works.


So after claiming video games makes characters into A listers now you want to dismiss a popular animated show that was far bigger than any video game.    lol...nice try.

Are you talking about that horrible 70s TV show that never once broke into the top 25 in the ratings?    ...Back when there was no cable for competition?   Oh yeah...it was "massive".   I notice you listed the ONE thing anyone knew about the show while implying there were more than that.

Naturally you don't want to talk about the fact that Logan was featured in just about every Fox movie while the Hulk languished in limbo and then was a mute non-character when he was in a movie.   (Thank you Thor 3 for finally making the Hulk a real character)    So yeah...Fox developed one character into an A lister over the past 18 years and that was Logan.


You seriously think you just pick one character from their movies and claim that proves they haven't established multiple characters over the past 10 years?   

We now live in a world where Marvel can release a trailer for Infinity War and it breaks records for views as people see over a dozen characters they know and can't wait to see onscreen together.

Thor
Iron Man
Cap
Peter Quill
Spidey
Black Panther
Winter Soldier
Black Widow
Dr Strange
Gamora
Groot
Rocket
Drax
Vision
Scarlet Witch
Hulk

They've done such a good job they didn't even need to include Ant-Man....which many people wondered about.

This is an embarrassing blowout in Marvel's favor.   Fox has been pathetic at developing characters and they've had 8 years longer to do it.    Just comparing how well Marvel did with a group of unknown characters with GotG and how Fox epic failed with a group of known characters with FF is the best example ever in the difference between the two studios.   Fox has had their butts kicked by Marvel in every way possible on a regular basis.


You got all of that wrong.   The fact you got it so wrong and actually think you are right is telling.   I watch every comic book movie obviously.   Even the bad Fox ones.   Sony and WB made some bad ones too and watched those as well.   I sat through terrible things like the Wolverine movies, Suicide Squad, and Amazing Spider-Man crap and deserve credit for that!   

It's far too late for Fox to be successful with the X-men now.   Unless Dark Phoenix breaks out...which is not likely.   Most likely that the Dark Phoenix saga will be another failure and that story will have to be postponed for 20 years.   It reeks of desperation that Fox went for that one again.