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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 26, 2017 22:30:13 GMT
true. eric did that in dofp for like how minutes? and from then on The same old nonsense the FoX-Men movies have given us for over 15 years. There were no stakes, at all. Giving us team dynamics, characterization and a REAL threat. [/b]that hate how mcu has ruined movies[/quote] No, they just dislike that the X-Men are no longer the Belles of the Ball. Those people shouldn't be reading comics. |
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Post by charzhino on Dec 26, 2017 22:36:09 GMT
The undoing was just done with a 5 minute scene at the end. The bulk of the movie follows the same principles from the comic story. Ragnarok was just a sitcom filler. It threw the story and setup from TDW into the trash. Mmm finding out your brother isnt dead, that you have a sister you never knew about and losing you father in front of your eyes isnt drama, real comedy. Losing the token of your power and being stranded and captured is pure comedy, not drama. Having to safe your people by destroying your home is pure laughter, nothing dramatic. Im still wating, what is the deeper meaning of Days of X-men Retcon? #teamcolden There is no drama worthy of being mentioned in Ragnarok because theres no context to it. Zilch. Its pretty sad that you're clinging onto the supposed fact that Ragnarok has dramatic elements when its obvious its meant to be a lighthearted, kiddy flick 100% all the way through. You mention Asgard being blown up as dramatic? Korg makes a JOKE about it immediately after. Just think that through. Brother not dying, sister that never knew existed, father dying are just plot points you're naming. Nothing is done with them that constitutes as drama. I.e they dont talk about any of their conflicts in any depth whatsoever. Give me a scene from the film that you think is a substantial dramatic exchange between any of the characters you mentioned. Thor 2 has proper drama as a comparison and is a better film than Ragnarok. But because kids dont like that stuff they did a complete 180 and turned Thor 3 into a GotG goof fest. As for Dofp, like Logan, its a thorough and rigorous character study into Xaviers psyché and how an emotionally wrecked individual hooked in a cycle of depression/addiction must overcome barriers to achieve a future thats much more desolate than his present situation. Its the struggle against the most difficult villain - you're own self/mind. DOFP should get the same praise that Logan is getting because its essentially covering the same themes that Howlett goes through as its main arc. Its basically what IM3 should have been but they watered it down. |
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Post by charzhino on Dec 26, 2017 22:37:38 GMT
The undoing was just done with a 5 minute scene at the end. The bulk of the movie follows the same principles from the comic story. Ragnarok was just a sitcom filler. It threw the story and setup from TDW into the trash. The undoing was the whole point of the movie. No, it just wasn't what YOU wanted which was for it to be a dull affair where characters show no emotions and smolder with generic rage. Instead MCU decided to do something unexpected and show us unequivocally that Loki doesn't have what it takes to be King and his actions in TDW ultimately led to the near annihilation of all the Asgardians. No they turned the TDW story into a joke with the fake play. They used it for laughs then ditched it which is sad. |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 27, 2017 0:01:26 GMT
They were not x-men fans only. They were casual viewers that notice all the wolverine love. Facts of the matter, xmen , F4 and Spiderman were already mainstream household names before any movies. People knew who they were. MCU fans, like it or not but marvel had a huge life before they were sold into slavery by Disney. this is why you folks are mcu fans not real marvel fans. When I said 75 years it was about marvel in general, after all they had a 75 year anniversary a few years back were Disney banned X-Men and F4 from any celebration covers and guess what? People were angry not just fans, marvel had to back track on it. or shall I say Disney? Steve is still seen as a bland guy even with the help of movies. cyclops? not so much, all cyke needs is a movie of him and like the comics he will mop the floor with steve rogers as most interesting marvel leader. Cyke is more like a game of thrones character now. Steve is the poster boy for kids to buys toys even with the nazi shock value thing. see homecoming. reason disney should not touch cyke. i rather see cyke with fox and a director that cares about him than for him to get disneylized. lol. Um, so iron man is a house hold name but he cannot still produce any good comic story arcs at a constant rate, does not have a highly acclaimed successful cartoon, can't headline strong successful video games that rivals the batman arkram asylum series and has no cultural impact outside of what rdj does. Yeah that was what Disney discovered when they tried to push as their batman and it all bombed. he bombed even with disney power. xmen and spiderman do that with ease, they did it for decades, reason both have had incredibly longevity and iron man will never have any. add also xmen and spiderman had highly successful independent movies thanks to fox and sony. they did not needed to be lumped into a cinematic universe like iron man. reason he will never been seen as true A -Lister. Dr Doom and Mr fantastic are still more of an a-lister(s) with 3 'bad' movies than iron man ever will be. You chose GOTG the most cartoonish of all mcu movies that even makes Frozen look more adult orientated? What is your deal?lol. Kids go to see GOTG. When they are older they will see Logan, X2 and DOFP and realize that there are real comic films out where , that do not dance around in front of villains and not everything is about colors, cgi and silly jokes. One of the many Reason xmen has had huge longevity for 60 years that not even freaking Disney could kill them off. Disney can kill gotg all they need to do is stop making their movies and baby groot toys. they have nothing to fall back on like spiderman or xmen. DOFP killed winter reception because it is better movie. Feige even kind of indirectly admitted it when he praised DOFP in 2014 with winter solider fairly out (not good) or was that just fiege and is sick obsession with xmen? You tell me. Not that big in box office but dofp made more worldwide right? And with a sex scandal that did hurt the movie. Apocalypse is a bad movie and since xmen movies are not pampered by the critics and the media the movie does not get a pass like age of ultron. Civil war made 1 billion as avengrs 2.5 , more cross over marvel movies, still a flop from age of ultron. Iron man made 1.2 billion still an artistic flop compared to iron man 2. When xmen hits a billion, which would have been easy with a hard reboot and competent director. it should be done TDK or LOTR style. Not avengers style that in a few years later the director will call HISown film half assed and say his best comic work is not avengers but his xmen novels, which usually does rank as one of the greatest comic books ever written and yes whedon said so before disney fired him.. John landis is not defending his son. He said what he said because it is true. David Fincher and the Selma director also implied the same thing about marvel. x-men is not marvel.... not marvel-disney. its laughable to think logan, dofp, deadpool, legion is marvel in the midst of homecoming, thor 3, iron fist inhumans, defenders and gotg 2. Urgh. Just drop it. DC is not failing, GOTG 2 is worse than justice league but since the media is the right arm of marvel studios they are anti anything not marvel. X-Men and DC just have to work hard any good press. MCU is popular to children and their ignorant fan base that has no clue of the real world we live in. if they were going strong, the next step will not be unnecessary cross over movies and to sniff life out of xmen and f4. X-Men should have remained separate.Nolan indirectly said mcu movies were silly and they should not make a comparison to TDKR in 2012. He was bullied by the media marvel mafia to say sorry and he did then he bashed marvel again when he said dc movies should not have the goofy tone of mcu movies. In 2017 they asked him about marvel and DC, he implied he rather watch suicide squad than any marvel movie because he is a DC fan. Funny, go read what Nolan said about the earlier xmen movies and why he liked it so much, it everything mcu is not.. This is how you can tell how he truly feels about mcu movies, then please add his own friends like the cinematographer of most of his movies and the guy who played scarecrow. Both have said mcu is bs. it does not take a rocket scientist to know Nolan’s thoughts. He is just not bold enough like david ficnher who said mcu has poor story telling and is all about cgi. Mangold is not trying to hold anything for fox. What mangold said about mcu is the same reason whedon or Egdar wright left ant man. There is no creative freedom and they all follow a formula. Mangold said mcu was nonsense long before Disney bought fox So nate grey is your favorite character ever? Sinister’s best made, most tortured, hard to please, not trusting anyone , complicated unpredictable lab rat who is usually consumed by his powers. Wait till i tell you that he is not just far more interesting than iron man or any character in the mcu if you are a grown up who does not like simple comic stories and characters , then We will see how much of your favourite character he is. when you start bashing him and start telling me he sucks. lol. Best part and now worst part about nate grey? Disney will never make movie about him. Or they will just make it stupid comedy. Fox could have easily made a great movie about him if they hired a character study director. no need for disney cgi big budget money. maybe an aoa dystopian point of view movie from nate grey’s perspective or the cable story line that deals with the theme of nature vs nuture. This is why xmen is screwed now. We will never see movies like this again, we can't even dream of it,...all what we see is is cgi, toys and comedy, ask star wars fans after watching last jedi....so sad. So sad. |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 27, 2017 0:29:07 GMT
true. eric did that in dofp for like how minutes? and from then on it was story telling, more story telling and high stakes drama. avengers spent the last 1 hour blowing up new york city having fun with it. there is a difference. the eric scene is not as damaging as the final arc of winter solider because winter solider spent more time on action. its shocking that i am serious to you,must be because you are steeping into the real world of veteran comic book readers that hate how mcu has ruined movies with their cgi driven movies. maybe you should stop attacking me and understand why mickey rouke said mcu movies are made to be mindless on purpose. he was in their movie, he does not have to lie You forgot about blowing up cars with Sentinels. And pulling vaults from underground, destroying the White House (a concrete explosion). Also, the end of DoFP was way more damaging because the Helicarriers landed in water. That baseball stadium landed around the White House. CGI driven movies? You think Quicksilver is a practical effect? You think Mystique is practical? You think destroying the mansion is a practical effect? Was moving a baseball stadium a practical effect? Was the jet they were flying in from the US to Paris a practical effect? Magneto stitching his neck a practical effect? Magneto using train tracks to hack into the Sentinels a practical effect? The future Sentinels was a practical effect? Any of the powers they were using all practical effects? They are all CGI driven movies. Mickey Rourke was in one movie as a villain that died. He doesn't care if he burns bridges. When was the last time Edward Norton said something bad about the MCU? I bet Rourke is gonna be salty at the Sin City series they are going to make without him too. Look at this two scenes in dofp and avengers. the climax. This is DOFP This is avengers Climax of the two movies. one is supported by a great juxtaposition speech that magneto gives about freedom for mutants in the past as mutants are ironically slaughtered in the future. that is great story telling that takes the focus away from the huge cgi moment. and it is personal. you will think jk rolwing or george rr martin wrote it because they like this stuff. george rr martin is also a marvel movie hater, (creator of game of thrones) though he stills see some good in marvel the other (avengers) is just things... explosion and a vengers striking a freaking pose as things explode around them. so unrealistic and not grounded at all, that is why avengers movies are like transformers. it is fact, we have the video clips as proof. all you did is just lie and get bitter when the facts are shown to you. XMen movies mostly uses cgi to support story telling. reason critics, fans , anyone all say their movies are story driven, even mcu fans have even said xmen movies are boring because there is no action. lol. they use action only when moslty necessary. avengers is all cgi and thin plotted film. xmen is drama. it is of fact that xmen has not leveled a city for the last hour of their movies, avengers movies have level cities and infinity war will blow up cities more. chris pine is not lying as Benedict-Cum. said so. the only time xmen tried to blow a city up was apocalypse and they failed because we expect better from xmen. we expect mcu to be dumb like transformers but not xmen. remember when you told me you were an xmen fan? this is why you lied. no one can look at those two movies and say avengers is better. its not possible. avengers looks retarded, cartoonish and childish. its has a comedy tone right? Wally Phisfer, a friend of nolan's and one of the best cinematographer in the business today said avengers had poor cinematography that reflects on their bad story telling. . and he is right, avengers looks like a cartoon. DOFP looks like the real world and magneto ain't joking around. Loki was too busy making usless jokes. even his defeat was for laughs thanks to the hulk. ew.com/article/2012/10/18/wally-pfister-dark-knight-rises-avengers/See why nolan hates mcu movies? see why xmen fans do also and are scared oh what disney will do? we stand with star wars fans tonight after the last jedi. |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 27, 2017 0:43:57 GMT
Mr Wally, thanks a lot.
"Dark Knight Rises" Cinematographer Hates "The Avengers"
Wally Phisfer, said avengers has an ''illogical form of story telling''. his own words not mine. tell me he is wrong from that video clip....are you freaking kidding me. and he said it to film school students.
hey mcu fans , remember when the logan trailer first came out and we all predicted this might be a masterpiece movie because of its beautiful cinematography that did show it had the potential to be an excellent story driven movie. mcu fans said we were wrong because gotg 2 trailer was breaking records.
one year later, who was right?
funny they have used this same lame argument for infinity war another cartoon looking movie we already know will blow up another city for fun. folks just dont learn.
drop mic.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 27, 2017 2:13:29 GMT
The undoing was the whole point of the movie. No, it just wasn't what YOU wanted which was for it to be a dull affair where characters show no emotions and smolder with generic rage. Instead MCU decided to do something unexpected and show us unequivocally that Loki doesn't have what it takes to be King and his actions in TDW ultimately led to the near annihilation of all the Asgardians. No they turned the TDW story into a joke with the fake play. They used it for laughs then ditched it which is sad. You're missing the point. It was that for all his talk and posturing, truth is that Loki really wouldn't know HOW to properly rule and it all devolved into his self-aggrandizement and hedonism due to that. He just doesn't have it in him to be a proper Asgardian King. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 27, 2017 2:25:46 GMT
MCU fans, like it or not but marvel had a huge life before they were sold into slavery by Disney. this is why you folks are mcu fans not real marvel fans. They are, just not the fanatical X-Fans you describe. The toxic ones who ravaged Marvel for years. Nope, he's superior to all the X-Men in terms of character. Even Logan, who is just a typical Anti-Hero. Never happen. Cyke doesn't have anything to him comparable to Cap. Cap runs rings around him. Nah. Yes. He has. Actually, yes he can and he has. He's more than RDJ. You'd know if you were a real Marvel Fans. Succeeded. Now that Marvel is realizing that they wasted their time on the X-Men, that's changing. So the X-Men and Spidey movies of past were lazy. He is. The GOTG who slaughtered DOFP. The FoX-Men movies are outdated and dull. They didn't become popular until the 70s. Nope, DOFP was massacred by the Guardians. No contest. Nope, all successes. That won't happen until a real Storyteller like Feige has them. Those styles are outdated. No, Landis is just protecting Max. Fincher and the Selma Director are just averse to the idea of not being total control freaks. Which is why X-Men are dying and needed to be saved by Disney. Yeah, compared to those MCU productions the FoX-Men just look that much worse. It was, so was Ragnarok. DCEU is going to take a while to recover. All ages, the way good stories should be. He's jealous. He only said that because at the time the FoX-Men movies were in the mainstream. He wanted free publicity. If Iron Man had come out before his movies he's have complimented Iron Man. So they're control freaks who can't play with others. Nah, he's just a weak Cable. And Cable sucks too. Duh, he sucks. No, just the throwbacks who can't accept it isn't the year 2000 anymore. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 27, 2017 2:29:48 GMT
Look at this two scenes in dofp and avengers. the climax. This is DOFP This is avengers Climax of the two movies. One is Magneto doing the same old tired out nonsense, the other is new and cool. Silliness. As was Xavier not killing his ass at the end. No, he loves them. New, cool, and doesn't forget the movie is about the Avengers and not their villains. Grounded is bad. Go for the creatively bankrupt route. It would be something new and exciting if they did. Instead of Xavier and Magnetos' worn out dance. Jealous. X-Men, not FoX-Men. Professional envy of MCU. Because he is ashamed of actual comic book stuff. Can someone repost this in reply to Summer8's post so he has to read it? It'll drive him nuts. |
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 27, 2017 4:30:26 GMT
You can't be serious. The MCU characters WERE B listers. That's prior to 2008. Now they are A listers where kids wear Iron Man, Thor, Cap, and Hulk costumes on Halloween. And the box office doesn't lie no matter how you try to dismiss it as if it doesn't matter. Logan was really good...but still didn't equal what Iron Man, Cap, and Thor movies currently make. There is a 250 million ceiling on Fox X-men movie they can't break through. The MCU is the top tier of CBMs at the moment. That's just how it is. MCU movies took the top 3 spots at the box office this year...and they did that with a GotG movie and a Thor movie. Logan...came in 6th (last place). The usual from Fox. They've always lagged behind the other studios. You claim Marvel died in 2011? Since then they have released: Avengers Winter Soldier GotG Civil War GotG 2 Spider-Man Homecoming Thor 3 That's not even counting Dr Strange and Ant-Man...which other people love more than I do. They've hit box office high points with Iron Man, Cap, and Thor in their THIRD movies. This year was 3 home runs. Man...they are getting better...not worse. (no doubt because they got rid of Perlmutter) I agree Feige would have loved to have X-men in 2008. He also would have preferred to make a Spider-Man movie. But that's changed now. If they started right now in their current state, Iron Man, Thor, Cap, and even Dr Strange would come before X-men. (That's right....Dr Strange outgrossed X-men by over 100 million last year) It's true that Marvel has problems with their SJW comics, but who the heck reads comics? Same with this "animations" thing. If you watch any of these animated movies it's pretty painful and cheesy. We let a lot of bad stuff pass when it's a cartoon. You try that stuff in live action and people will laugh it out of the theater. And again...how many people are really watching these "great cartoons"? Says something about how badly DC is doing when you have to reach back for the Nolan trilogy and claim it's "still new". TDK was the beloved movie and that's a decade old. Remember when it was claimed that TDK was going to change the way CBMs were made? Yeah...that didn't happen. The genre has ignored TDK and gone with what Iron Man started instead. Now even DC is trying to copy what Marvel did. I hate to kick DC while they are down...but they are struggling and have been for several years. (hey...at least JL was way better than Star Wars!) I liked it when spiderman, xmen, F4 batman ,superman became a listers because they had and still have good comic stories, some good stand alone movies, good cartoons and did not need to become Disney soulless Disney product with no identity.... of their own. Do you know that since 2011 every xmen movie outclassed every mcu movie. Lets look at facts 2011
First Class outclassed Thor 1, Captian America 1 Facts? There are no facts. You say one movie is better and that is true ONLY for you. What we do know is that more people like Marvel movies than Fox movies. That's the ONLY facts: XM:FC-$353.6 Cap 1-$370.6 Thor 1-$449.3 This was Marvel trotting out two B list characters for the very first time against the 5th X-men movie featuring characters which started out ahead of Cap and Thor in 2000 in terms of popularity. Fox had 4 previous films to establish the characters and couldn't even make them more popular than Marvel's B team starting from scratch. Yikes... Your opinion of the movies means nothing. Obviously The Wolverine was the most hated of the 3. We have the box office proof and it's not close: Wolverine-$414.8 Thor 2-$644.6 IM 3-$1,214.8 Now the gap gets wider. Thor, in his 2nd movie, makes 230 million more than Logan in his 6th appearance. That's embarrassing when you start out with Logan and immediately fall behind Thor. Fox as usual, is in last place. Well about time! TWS-$714.3 DofP-$747.9 Xmen in their 7th movie finally edge out Cap in his 2nd movie. A rare victory for Fox. Deadpool was the movie Fox didn't want to make for a decade and they barely cared about it so it's not remotely surprising to me that it's the most popular CBM they ever released. What a shock...Fox isn't involved and it immediately gets better. XM:Apocalypse-$543.9 Dr Strange-$677.7 DP-$783.1 Cap 3-$1,153.3 Fox is back in last place where they usually reside. They were beaten soundly by Marvel and Ryan Reynolds. Being the least popular movie is hardly "outclassing" anyone. Logan-$616.8 Thor 3-$846.1 SM:H-$880.2 At least it's not embarrassing to lose to Spidey. But the gap between Thor and Logan is still 230 million. Fox may want to avoid putting Logan head to head against Thor in the future. ...Oh wait...we don't have to worry about that any more, do we? Fox is done screwing up the X-men.  |
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 27, 2017 4:36:10 GMT
The undoing was just done with a 5 minute scene at the end. The bulk of the movie follows the same principles from the comic story. Ragnarok was just a sitcom filler. It threw the story and setup from TDW into the trash. Mmm finding out your brother isnt dead, that you have a sister you never knew about and losing you father in front of your eyes isnt drama, real comedy. Losing the token of your power and being stranded and captured is pure comedy, not drama. Having to safe your people by destroying your home is pure laughter, nothing dramatic. Im still wating, what is the deeper meaning of Days of X-men Retcon? Don't forget losing an eye. So Thor lost his eye, his father, his home....what a fun time for him! Apparently the movie has be filmed with washed out colors and have "dark and depressing" dialog all the way through for some people to see the pathos. Spoon feeding is necessary for some people. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 27, 2017 6:53:34 GMT
Facts? There are no facts. You say one movie is better and that is true ONLY for you. What we do know is that more people like Marvel movies than Fox movies. That's the ONLY facts: XM:FC-$353.6 Cap 1-$370.6 Thor 1-$449.3 This was Marvel trotting out two B list characters for the very first time against the 5th X-men movie featuring characters which started out ahead of Cap and Thor in 2000 in terms of popularity. Fox had 4 previous films to establish the characters and couldn't even make them more popular than Marvel's B team starting from scratch. Yikes... Uh, First Class had NONE of the main characters from the previous X-films. Xavier was in a supporting role in the first three films and only had a cameo in Origins. So what the hell do you mean by “they had 4 movies to established the characters”? I believe that you haven’t watched any of the X-Men films due to your extreme lack of familiarity with them. And Captain America and Thor are not really B-listers. Especially, Cap who is a flagship character of Marvel, one of the more recognizable Marvel heroes due to his various appearances in media, and sold more comics any Marvel solo series not named Spider-Man. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_comic_series#At_least_100_million_copiesCaptain America was way more popular than any X-Men in First Class. After Origins that was expected. Plus Thor 2 was a post-Avenger movie. Actually, that’s not really true. If Fox didn’t care they wouldn’t have gotten the movie made and Reynolds is the one that pushes for the Deadpool films to be low budget. Lol are you seriously saying the Hulk is a B-lister now? He has been one of the most popular and iconic Marvel characters for decades. They put him in the Thor movie to boost interest in the film and IIRC Marvel Studios even admitted that. Logan was a dark and depressing R-Rated western that even the filmmakers said wasn’t made for everyone. So it making less than a summer block buster with the far more iconic Hulk isn’t embarrassing at all. And how can you say Fox screwed up the X-Men when you haven’t even watched any of the films and seemly not a fan of Marvel comics either? |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 27, 2017 8:21:01 GMT
I liked it when spiderman, xmen, F4 batman ,superman became a listers because they had and still have good comic stories, some good stand alone movies, good cartoons and did not need to become Disney soulless Disney product with no identity.... of their own. Do you know that since 2011 every xmen movie outclassed every mcu movie. Lets look at facts 2011
First Class outclassed Thor 1, Captian America 1 Facts? There are no facts. You say one movie is better and that is true ONLY for you. What we do know is that more people like Marvel movies than Fox movies. That's the ONLY facts: XM:FC-$353.6 Cap 1-$370.6 Thor 1-$449.3 This was Marvel trotting out two B list characters for the very first time against the 5th X-men movie featuring characters which started out ahead of Cap and Thor in 2000 in terms of popularity. Fox had 4 previous films to establish the characters and couldn't even make them more popular than Marvel's B team starting from scratch. Yikes... Your opinion of the movies means nothing. Obviously The Wolverine was the most hated of the 3. We have the box office proof and it's not close: Wolverine-$414.8 Thor 2-$644.6 IM 3-$1,214.8 Now the gap gets wider. Thor, in his 2nd movie, makes 230 million more than Logan in his 6th appearance. That's embarrassing when you start out with Logan and immediately fall behind Thor. Fox as usual, is in last place. Well about time! TWS-$714.3 DofP-$747.9 Xmen in their 7th movie finally edge out Cap in his 2nd movie. A rare victory for Fox. Deadpool was the movie Fox didn't want to make for a decade and they barely cared about it so it's not remotely surprising to me that it's the most popular CBM they ever released. What a shock...Fox isn't involved and it immediately gets better. XM:Apocalypse-$543.9 Dr Strange-$677.7 DP-$783.1 Cap 3-$1,153.3 Fox is back in last place where they usually reside. They were beaten soundly by Marvel and Ryan Reynolds. Being the least popular movie is hardly "outclassing" anyone. Logan-$616.8 Thor 3-$846.1 SM:H-$880.2 At least it's not embarrassing to lose to Spidey. But the gap between Thor and Logan is still 230 million. Fox may want to avoid putting Logan head to head against Thor in the future. ...Oh wait...we don't have to worry about that any more, do we? Fox is done screwing up the X-men. and it just shows mcu movies are as shallow as some of their fans. when i said xmen out classed all the mcu moves , i meant they were better movies.can be proven by simple film craft. maybe you should tell me deeply how disney can adapt many x-men story lines such as second coming or inferno than hiding behind their disney money. that is meaninglessness to me. when disney xmen movies makes 1 billion and it is the same as iron man 3 , avengers and age of ultron. the 1 billion will not stop the movies for been awful.you all may hate zack Snyder but he was right when he said mcu movies are the flavour of the month. its just disney ooc mass marketing appealing to the dumb masses. MCU fans only hide behind money, they cannot tell you why their movies are good.Batman Begins made just 370m and it is still high and above all the mcu movies. same for sin city, same for Blade 1 and 2. first class made 350m and it is a superior film to a cross over avengers movie that made 1.5 billion. start with the simple notion that first class has a better screenplay and looks like a real movie. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 8:49:38 GMT
Facts? There are no facts. You say one movie is better and that is true ONLY for you. What we do know is that more people like Marvel movies than Fox movies. That's the ONLY facts: XM:FC-$353.6 Cap 1-$370.6 Thor 1-$449.3 This was Marvel trotting out two B list characters for the very first time against the 5th X-men movie featuring characters which started out ahead of Cap and Thor in 2000 in terms of popularity. Fox had 4 previous films to establish the characters and couldn't even make them more popular than Marvel's B team starting from scratch. Yikes... Your opinion of the movies means nothing. Obviously The Wolverine was the most hated of the 3. We have the box office proof and it's not close: Wolverine-$414.8 Thor 2-$644.6 IM 3-$1,214.8 Now the gap gets wider. Thor, in his 2nd movie, makes 230 million more than Logan in his 6th appearance. That's embarrassing when you start out with Logan and immediately fall behind Thor. Fox as usual, is in last place. Well about time! TWS-$714.3 DofP-$747.9 Xmen in their 7th movie finally edge out Cap in his 2nd movie. A rare victory for Fox. Deadpool was the movie Fox didn't want to make for a decade and they barely cared about it so it's not remotely surprising to me that it's the most popular CBM they ever released. What a shock...Fox isn't involved and it immediately gets better. XM:Apocalypse-$543.9 Dr Strange-$677.7 DP-$783.1 Cap 3-$1,153.3 Fox is back in last place where they usually reside. They were beaten soundly by Marvel and Ryan Reynolds. Being the least popular movie is hardly "outclassing" anyone. Logan-$616.8 Thor 3-$846.1 SM:H-$880.2 At least it's not embarrassing to lose to Spidey. But the gap between Thor and Logan is still 230 million. Fox may want to avoid putting Logan head to head against Thor in the future. ...Oh wait...we don't have to worry about that any more, do we? Fox is done screwing up the X-men. and it just shows mcu movies are as shallow as some of their fans. when i said xmen out classed all the mcu moves , i meant they were better movies.can be proven by simple film craft. maybe you should tell me deeply how disney can adapt many x-men story lines such as second coming or inferno than hiding behind their disney money. that is meaninglessness to me. when disney xmen movies makes 1 billion and it is the same as iron man 3 , avengers and age of ultron. the 1 billion will not stop the movies for been awful.you all may hate zack Snyder but he was right when he said mcu movies are the flavour of the month. its just disney ooc mass marketing appealing to the dumb masses. MCU fans only hide behind money, they cannot tell you why their movies are good.Batman Begins made just 370m and it is still high and above all the mcu movies. same for sin city, same for Blade 1 and 2. first class made 350m and it is a superior film to a cross over avengers movie that made 1.5 billion. start with the simple notion that first class has a better screenplay and looks like a real movie. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 27, 2017 11:28:32 GMT
Disney bought fox so this thread topic has been wrapped up, not to mention the fighting currently going on. So scabab justanaveragejoe it should probably be locked up. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 27, 2017 11:39:22 GMT
Disney bought fox so this thread topic has been wrapped up, not to mention the fighting currently going on. So scabab justanaveragejoe it should probably be locked up. They haven’t really bought them yet. They have agreed to the deal but it hasn’t been approved by the government yet. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 27, 2017 11:46:14 GMT
and it just shows mcu movies are as shallow as some of their fans. when i said xmen out classed all the mcu moves , i meant they were better movies.can be proven by simple film craft. maybe you should tell me deeply how disney can adapt many x-men story lines such as second coming or inferno than hiding behind their disney money. that is meaninglessness to me. when disney xmen movies makes 1 billion and it is the same as iron man 3 , avengers and age of ultron. the 1 billion will not stop the movies for been awful.you all may hate zack Snyder but he was right when he said mcu movies are the flavour of the month. its just disney ooc mass marketing appealing to the dumb masses. MCU fans only hide behind money, they cannot tell you why their movies are good.Batman Begins made just 370m and it is still high and above all the mcu movies. same for sin city, same for Blade 1 and 2. first class made 350m and it is a superior film to a cross over avengers movie that made 1.5 billion. start with the simple notion that first class has a better screenplay and looks like a real movie. Yeah, who seriously wants the Maddie Pryor storyline adapted? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 27, 2017 13:02:53 GMT
Yeah, who seriously wants the Maddie Pryor storyline adapted? The one that more or less destroyed Cyclops' character for most readers? Why the Hell anyone would want that on the screen is beyond me. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 27, 2017 13:06:37 GMT
and it just shows mcu movies are as shallow as some of their fans. For making money while also showing that "grounded" is bad? If you're ashamed of comics. Those were terrible stories, why adapt them? Good thing they won't be awful then, just unashamed. Nah, that's just professional envy. He couldn't even get DC's Big Guns right while the MCU clobbers him with Ant-Man. They're unashamed and have good heroes. The X-Men movies can't even give us good leads. Nah, it just had little to no competition. Put it out today and it wouldn't do as well. No, it was just another ashamed film. It appeals to the ashamed. |
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Post by charzhino on Dec 27, 2017 13:12:21 GMT
Mmm finding out your brother isnt dead, that you have a sister you never knew about and losing you father in front of your eyes isnt drama, real comedy. Losing the token of your power and being stranded and captured is pure comedy, not drama. Having to safe your people by destroying your home is pure laughter, nothing dramatic. Im still wating, what is the deeper meaning of Days of X-men Retcon? Don't forget losing an eye. So Thor lost his eye, his father, his home....what a fun time for him! Apparently the movie has be filmed with washed out colors and have "dark and depressing" dialog all the way through for some people to see the pathos. Spoon feeding is necessary for some people. Yeah losing an eye he really seemed hurt and in pain by it. Losing his father gets over it in the next scene, nothing compared to his reaction in TDW after losing his mother. And losing his home is made a joke by Korg. If this isn't definition of lighthearted comedy then nothing is. |
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