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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 25, 2017 3:00:28 GMT
Except the MCU has been making more money than the X-Men films, so following the money would entail continuing to focus on the characters they've had for years, the characters they've recently introduced, and the characters they've been planning on introducing. Look, no one's denying that the X-Men are going to be a big part of the MCU's future, but the other characters and properties aren't going to vanish because there's no need for them to. They're up to three films a year now. So they can have one X-Men film a year plus two films about one of their other properties, but they're probably not going to have an X-Men film every year, so there's plenty of room for the others. 2: They're not going to replicate on screen what's been done on the comic page. I know Kevin Feige said a female Thor might be possible, but there's no way they'll do it the same way the comics did. For one thing, in the MCU, Thor: Ragnarok reveals that Thor's lightning powers were always innate to him to begin with and the hammer was just a way to focus them until he could use them without it. So even if there is a female Thor with a hammer, the original Thor will still be flying around shooting lightning from his hands. I thought both Cap and Thor both announced their retirement from the MCU after IW? Besides, as soon as that XCU box office money starts rolling in it will surely dwarf the previous high-water marks set by the late MCU. I expect them to go to four movies a year: three X-Men and one Spider-Man. X-men aren't as popular as they once were. Once the movies started, and Marvel started making the comics more like the movies, the comics have gone down. Don't think they ever recovered. Plus you had the bad blood between Fox and Marvel after Mutant X. Also, X-men as a whole was popular. Wolverine was the only A-list individual. They would be stupid to make a bunch of X-men movies and put the other characters to the side when they are way more popular than the X-men right now. |
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 25, 2017 3:29:05 GMT
I've no doubt it will be. That was my point. You guys seem to forget how it was before all the cool kids left school. The A-listers are back now. Bye, D-list. Nah, they've made their B-Listers the equal to the X-Men now. MCU X-Men won't forget that, and will treat any other MCU characters who are in it with respect as opposed to the X-Men being the center of the Universe. Partially right. Marvel actually made most of their B listers bigger than Fox's X-men. The X-men will be the B listers in Marvel at this point. The X-men could take back their throne now that they are with a studio that can make the most of a character's potential. We might actually see an X-men movie crack the 250 million barrier for the first time. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 25, 2017 11:57:05 GMT
They'll always be D-listers. You mean like how the X-Men were back when they started? That's the same attitude people had, thinking that Ragnarok wouldn't stand a chance against the Justice League. And we all know how THAT turned out. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 25, 2017 13:44:25 GMT
They'll always be D-listers. You mean like how the X-Men were back when they started? That's the same attitude people had, thinking that Ragnarok wouldn't stand a chance against the Justice League. And we all know how THAT turned out. Justice League/Warner strategically decided to skip trying to sell tickets and go for that streaming aftermarket. It was a brilliant bait and switch to trick the MCU into -- aw, fuck it: it's Christmas. You can have this one.  |
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 25, 2017 15:36:24 GMT
You mean like how the X-Men were back when they started? That's the same attitude people had, thinking that Ragnarok wouldn't stand a chance against the Justice League. And we all know how THAT turned out. Justice League/Warner strategically decided to skip trying to sell tickets and go for that streaming aftermarket. It was a brilliant bait and switch to trick the MCU into -- aw, fuck it: it's Christmas. You can have this one. Justice League was an exec disaster. It's what happens when an exec knows he's going to be fired when a merger happens so he needs that bonus. They could have absolutely saved it until next year. |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 26, 2017 16:02:19 GMT
I thought both Cap and Thor both announced their retirement from the MCU after IW? Besides, as soon as that XCU box office money starts rolling in it will surely dwarf the previous high-water marks set by the late MCU. I expect them to go to four movies a year: three X-Men and one Spider-Man. . Once the movies started, and Marvel started making the comics more like the movies, the comics have gone down. Don't think they ever recovered. Plus you had the bad blood between Fox and Marvel after Mutant X. Also, X-men as a whole was popular. Wolverine was the only A-list individual. They would be stupid to make a bunch of X-men movies and put the other characters to the side when they are way more popular than the X-men right now.Woof. is this reality or disney la la land. excuse me for highlighting the factual wrong. the highlighted parts are the wrong and the usual bs. shall we now look at reality if you don't mind. the movies were like the comics at least in tone and style. the reverse is gonna happen with disney once Disney starts making X-Men movies like Disney cartoons. when it comes to popularity, spiderman and xmen out classed marvel itself and they still do. only reason these are the only marvel properties disney was willing to move heaven and earth to get. x-men became a special case because fox always refused to share the rights, disney tried to kill xmen off and marvel failed at that, see inhumans. Marvel comics went down when... guess what? the politics of movie rights started influencing the comics. disney's plan was to make marvel comics more like mcu movies and marvel comics fell off to the point that Disney went into denial mode and blamed the poor state of their comics on diversity and women but marvel fans and many media watchers rejected that take , saying marvel comics became too much about trying to fit the MCU movies. Marvel's gaming department also bombed. in a year, when DC put out something as incredible was Injustice II. Marvel put out a shitty capcom game that failed badly because disney banned xmen and f4 characters and mcu characters could carry the game so they game bombed and marvel has been bombing ever scene same for their animations department too. When it comes to A-List individuals. it was X-Men as a team, Spiderman and the Fantastic 4. Wolverine was an overexposed character but he was never only the fan favorite, I think this was the reason the deadpool movie shocked Fox , did not shock fans or casual folks. it shocked only fox because when fans and people told them that they should stop putting forcus on wolverine alone, fox did not listen. then deadpool comes out and it is something else and fans went, ha. we told you. A-list marvel characters the core xmen members and others like Storm, Rogue, Jean, Xavier, Kitty Pryde, Jubilee, Cyclops, Gambit, Deadpool, Dr Doom, Reed Richards, Sue Storm, Cable are more A-Listers than any MCU characters will ever be. Case in point, disney's failure to not know what the term means. iron man made a lot of money so disney thought he could be some kind of batman for marvel, they tried to push that for a couple of years and they failed. iron man makes money at the box office but he cannot translate that to anywhere else and the whole identity of the character is what they see with RDJ. same for all the MCU properties since their source of popularity begins and ends with the MCU which as gotten stale so xmen and f4 are going to be the new fresh blood. sad, since xmen is doing well right now and has more to offer the genre than another comedy mcu movie. Does X-Men even need marvel in 2017? we look at Logan, Legion and the vision that fox had and the answer is.... hell fucking no. we really have to wonder about mcu as a whole and the quest for fresh blood. Kevin Feige is more obsessed with xmen than he is with MCU. according to him, he is willing to ditch every avengers and mcu stuff and turn all his attention to X-Men. this dude never cared about the marvel he had. it was because of feige that Inhumans was screwed. . Your comment was a superficial attempt to not justify the whole... we told you so about disney. true x-fans all said disney will do worse when they get xmen, if the rumors are true that their first movie is to focus on wolverine not to mention the massive contradiction for your bs comments when we look at fox original slate of New Mutants, X-force, X23, Gambit and Multiple Man. Fox were ready to let go of wolverine because they now have more faith in the xmen universe. they wanted to take that challenge not to mention the good it would have done for the entire genre that is suffering right now. one of the many reasons Logan is the best comic film of 2017 unmatched. Disney does not have any faith even in mcu anymore and since disney loves comfort safe zone , wolverine is the obvious lame first option to go with first. has nothing to do with who is a A-List or what is popular especially for a series like XMEN in the last 4 years has put out Legion, DOFP, Logan and Deadpool. better stuff than anything mcu has done. if fox had remained intact and they got a director like George Miller, Christopher Nolan, kept James Mangold or freaking Tarentino to make an xmen team movie. the result will be far better than their last good movie both in money and reception and with no disney branding. Oh boy, this is gonna be fun as we watch disney ruin xmen the way they have ruined marvel and star wars but at least star wars and xmen can fall back on many things unlike MCU that can fall back on? |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 26, 2017 16:04:10 GMT
X-men aren't as popular as they once were. Once the movies started, and Marvel started making the comics more like the movies, the comics have gone down. Don't think they ever recovered. Plus you had the bad blood between Fox and Marvel after Mutant X. Also, X-men as a whole was popular. Wolverine was the only A-list individual. They would be stupid to make a bunch of X-men movies and put the other characters to the side when they are way more popular than the X-men right now. Woof. is this reality or disney la la land. excuse me for highlighting the factual wrong. the highlighted parts are the wrong and the usual bs. shall we now look at reality if you don't mind. the movies were like the comics at least in tone and style. the reverse is gonna happen with disney once Disney starts making X-Men movies like Disney cartoons. when it comes to popularity, spiderman and xmen out classed marvel itself and they still do. only reason these are the only marvel properties disney was willing to move heaven and earth to get. x-men became a special case because fox always refused to share the rights, disney tried to kill xmen off and marvel failed at that, see inhumans. Marvel comics went down when... guess what? the politics of movie rights started influencing the comics. disney's plan was to make marvel comics more like mcu movies and marvel comics fell off to the point that Disney went into denial mode and blamed the poor state of their comics on diversity and women but marvel fans and many media watchers rejected that take , saying marvel comics became too much about trying to fit the MCU movies. Marvel's gaming department also bombed. in a year, when DC put out something as incredible was Injustice II. Marvel put out a shitty capcom game that failed badly because disney banned xmen and f4 characters and mcu characters could carry the game so they game bombed and marvel has been bombing ever scene same for their animations department too. When it comes to A-List individuals. it was X-Men as a team, Spiderman and the Fantastic 4. Wolverine was an overexposed character but he was never only the fan favorite, I think this was the reason the deadpool movie shocked Fox , did not shock fans or casual folks. it shocked only fox because when fans and people told them that they should stop putting forcus on wolverine alone, fox did not listen. then deadpool comes out and it is something else and fans went, ha. we told you. A-list marvel characters the core xmen members and others like Storm, Rogue, Jean, Xavier, Kitty Pryde, Jubilee, Cyclops, Gambit, Deadpool, Dr Doom, Reed Richards, Sue Storm, Cable are more A-Listers than any MCU characters will ever be. Case in point, disney's failure to not know what the term means. iron man made a lot of money so disney thought he could be some kind of batman for marvel, they tried to push that for a couple of years and they failed. iron man makes money at the box office but he cannot translate that to anywhere else and the whole identity of the character is what they see with RDJ. same for all the MCU properties since their source of popularity begins and ends with the MCU which as gotten stale so xmen and f4 are going to be the new fresh blood. sad, since xmen is doing well right now and has more to offer the genre than another comedy mcu movie. Does X-Men even need marvel in 2017? we look at Logan, Legion and the vision that fox had and the answer is.... hell fucking no. we really have to wonder about mcu as a whole and the quest for fresh blood. Kevin Feige is more obsessed with xmen than he is with MCU. according to him, he is willing to ditch every avengers and mcu stuff and turn all his attention to X-Men. this dude never cared about the marvel he had. it was because of feige that Inhumans was screwed. . Your comment was a superficial attempt to not justify the whole... we told you so about disney. true x-fans all said disney will do worse when they get xmen, if the rumors are true that their first movie is to focus on wolverine not to mention the massive contradiction for your bs comments when we look at fox original slate of New Mutants, X-force, X23, Gambit and Multiple Man. Fox were ready to let go of wolverine because they now have more faith in the xmen universe. they wanted to take that challenge not to mention the good it would have done for the entire genre that is suffering right now. one of the many reasons Logan is the best comic film of 2017 unmatched. Disney does not have any faith even in mcu anymore and since disney loves comfort safe zone , wolverine is the obvious lame first option to go with first. has nothing to do with who is a A-List or what is popular especially for a series like XMEN in the last 4 years has put out Legion, DOFP, Logan and Deadpool. better stuff than anything mcu has done. if fox had remained intact and they got a director like George Miller, Christopher Nolan, kept James Mangold or freaking Tarentino to make an xmen team movie. the result will be far better than their last good movie both in money and reception and with no disney branding. Oh boy, this is gonna be fun as we watch disney ruin xmen the way they have ruined marvel and star wars but at least star wars and xmen can fall back on many things unlike MCU that can fall back on? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 26, 2017 16:20:30 GMT
Woof. is this reality or disney la la land. excuse me for highlighting the factual wrong. the highlighted parts are the wrong and the usual bs. shall we now look at reality if you don't mind. The reality is that the MCU took B-Listers and C-Listers and even D-Listers and made them more successful than the X-Men. Not anymore. Not anymore. Make their lesser known characters more popular, and it worked. Not anymore. Succeeded. Except they do. Nope, MCU's beaten all of those. Easily. Never happen, they're too spineless. EDIT: I know Summer has me on block, anyone care to repost my post so he can see it and weep? |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 26, 2017 16:22:05 GMT
Nah, they've made their B-Listers the equal to the X-Men now. MCU X-Men won't forget that, and will treat any other MCU characters who are in it with respect as opposed to the X-Men being the center of the Universe. Partially right. Marvel actually made most of their B listers bigger than Fox's X-men. The X-men will be the B listers in Marvel at this point. The X-men could take back their throne now that they are with a studio that can make the most of a character's potential. We might actually see an X-men movie crack the 250 million barrier for the first time. some of you all are delusional. MCU characters are D listers Disney snuffed life off to make money through the appeal of a cinematic universe that has hurt MCU characters in the long run as they all lost any little identity they had. they are soulless co-operate products. Feige even know this. he always wanted xmen but settled for MCU . now that he has his hands on xmen he is like a vampire in a blood bank. he could care less about MCU now. what a nutcase. this guy has been gushing about how he cant wait to get his hands on xmen. he never talks passionately that way with MCU. there is no throne to take back since marvel died somewhere around 2011. its just Disney trash now pretending to be marvel ask any life long marvel fan not you mcu fans. Reason DC is killing marvel right now in comics, animations, games and more and even movies if we take into account wonder woman and the TDK trilogy (still new) that MCU has yet to match and surpass. X-Men matched with Logan this year . its will be insulting to see xmen sitting on a Disney throne when disney cannot even produce movies like Logan and DOFP or make cartoons like XMen TAS, X-Men evolution or hire writers like Claremont, Lodbell and Frank Miller to give other marvel proprieties the amount of authentic timeless comic book literacy that X-men has, surpassed maybe only by Batman's literacy. Let MCU sit on the Disney comedy throne that no deep-thinking person takes seriously or see as real art. just keep xmen away, it will be helpful |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 26, 2017 16:36:10 GMT
Nah, if Spidey didn't overshadow the other MCU heroes the X-Men won't either. I mean, the XCU couldn't even get most of them right to begin with and just them supporting cast to Wolverine. The MCU X-Men won't be as incompetent as the FoX-Men anyways, they'll be able to resolve the mutant hatred stuff and do stuff like adventures in the Savage Land and in space. Nope. They're gonna kill off your precious D-listers and then make a ton of Spider-Man and X-Men movies. As they rightly should. they will not make xmen movies. marvel-disney cannot adapt xmen comic stories. it is too scary for their precious children's fan base and too deep of their man-child fanbase. its easy, you see regardless of how new mutants turns out. if it is great and successful, the sequels will still be cancelled since that movie does not appeal to the mass disney crowd. what disney will see with a bunch of teen mutants is to make them like hannah motonah spiderman homecoming which insults the entire source material of xmen. Now we know why the sam raimi movies are still the best Spiderman movies. only mcu fans disagree and that means nothing. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 16:43:15 GMT
Its winter so summers8 is blabla-ing. X-men movies are deep and stuff. Ugh. Its repetitive nonsense. There had not been one X-men movie. Its all been about Wolverine. Except Deadpool. But that was also not a X-men movie. And Wolvie was mentioned.
Delusional somewhat? Must be the season.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 26, 2017 17:00:59 GMT
some of you all are delusional. MCU characters are D listers Not anymore. Now the writers had to put actual effort in and treat them better, and naturally it paid off. Nah, you're describing what FOX did to the X-Men. Mmm, that salt... YOUR idea of Marvel, and no one elses'. No, all DC has is better games and animation. Everything else, Marvel wins. It's not getting a Throne. It doesn't deserve it. Ashamed movies? Avengers Earths' Mightiest Heroes blew both away, although EVO was pretty good. Hacks? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 26, 2017 17:02:22 GMT
they will not make xmen movies. marvel-disney cannot adapt xmen comic stories. it is too scary for their precious children's fan base and too deep of their man-child fanbase. Nah, they just aren't ashamed the way FoX-Men are. The MCU's made scarier stuff. Good, you're accepting it'll flop. Nah, outdated. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 26, 2017 17:28:14 GMT
Partially right. Marvel actually made most of their B listers bigger than Fox's X-men. The X-men will be the B listers in Marvel at this point. The X-men could take back their throne now that they are with a studio that can make the most of a character's potential. We might actually see an X-men movie crack the 250 million barrier for the first time. some of you all are delusional. MCU characters are D listers Disney snuffed life off to make money through the appeal of a cinematic universe that has hurt MCU characters in the long run as they all lost any little identity they had. they are soulless co-operate products. Feige even know this. he always wanted xmen but settled for MCU . now that he has his hands on xmen he is like a vampire in a blood bank. he could care less about MCU now. what a nutcase. this guy has been gushing about how he cant wait to get his hands on xmen. he never talks passionately that way with MCU. there is no throne to take back since marvel died somewhere around 2011. its just Disney trash now pretending to be marvel ask any life long marvel fan not you mcu fans. Reason DC is killing marvel right now in comics, animations, games and more and even movies if we take into account wonder woman and the TDK trilogy (still new) that MCU has yet to match and surpass. X-Men matched with Logan this year . its will be insulting to see xmen sitting on a Disney throne when disney cannot even produce movies like Logan and DOFP or make cartoons like XMen TAS, X-Men evolution or hire writers like Claremont, Lodbell and Frank Miller to give other marvel proprieties the amount of authentic timeless comic book literacy that X-men has, surpassed maybe only by Batman's literacy. Let MCU sit on the Disney comedy throne that no deep-thinking person takes seriously or see as real art. just keep xmen away, it will be helpful Seriously, though, you ask anybody who Cyclops is I bet nobody would know. You'd have to say he was leader of the X-men and what his powers are for them to even be remotely close to knowing who he is. Now, ask that same person who Iron Man is and I bet they would know. The X-men, as a whole, were A-listers. They were no where near A-listers individually. Except for Wolverine. And that's only because Wolverine was everywhere in the 90s. People only know Mystique now because of Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah, X-men is so deep thinking that people put it deep into their brains so far back that they forget about it. It's funny that you keep mentioning the X-men movies that made money. They finally make movies that people like and you latch on to it. Just like DC-Fan with Wonder Woman. I've actually seen people be surprised that Logan came out this year. Keep X-men away? And let who have it? Fox is not going to be a thing any way you look at it. Would you rather have Paramount have them and have X-men movies made by Michael Bay? X-men movies that are like Transformers movies? Full of racial stereotypes? Or even worse: TMNT? You are the delusional one. I think you guys just want to hate Disney. |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 26, 2017 17:28:50 GMT
Its winter so summers8 is blabla-ing. X-men movies are deep and stuff. Ugh. Its repetitive nonsense. There had not been one X-men movie. Its all been about Wolverine. Except Deadpool. But that was also not a X-men movie. And Wolvie was mentioned. Delusional somewhat? Must be the season. #teamcolden Like MCU movies some of their fans never have any real comments to give and when they do they lie that their nose breaks because it became longer than Pinocchio's . Next |
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 26, 2017 17:35:25 GMT
Also, the X-men and F4 movies are "co-operate"* products. They make them to keep the rights. They make them just to make money. Case in point. The X-men movies were coming out once every 3 years until... 2011... 3 years after Iron Man. You know they saw that competition coming and fast tracked First Class to keep up.
*Corporate products you loon.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 26, 2017 17:37:57 GMT
Its winter so summers8 is blabla-ing. X-men movies are deep and stuff. Ugh. Its repetitive nonsense. There had not been one X-men movie. Its all been about Wolverine. Except Deadpool. But that was also not a X-men movie. And Wolvie was mentioned. Delusional somewhat? Must be the season. #teamcolden Like MCU movies some of their fans never have any real comments to give Except always. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 26, 2017 17:43:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 18:05:18 GMT
Its winter so summers8 is blabla-ing. X-men movies are deep and stuff. Ugh. Its repetitive nonsense. There had not been one X-men movie. Its all been about Wolverine. Except Deadpool. But that was also not a X-men movie. And Wolvie was mentioned. Delusional somewhat? Must be the season. #teamcolden Like MCU movies some of their fans never have any real comments to give and when they do they lie that their nose breaks because it became longer than Pinocchio's . Next What did I say that was not correct? Its always been Wolverine with Fux. Even in First Class they had to cameo him. First Class is the best X-men movie. It had the least amount of Wolverine in it. And I noticed you didnt reply with content to my comments but with insults only. Could that be because you lack argumentation? So what up?! #teamcolden |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 26, 2017 18:25:00 GMT
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