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Post by dazz on Nov 14, 2017 22:51:10 GMT
Want spoilers for the original comic? Well I saw the animated movie and it was Wonder Woman and Aquaman who were the bad guys there. But Batman vs Superman had that scene with The Flash where he told Batman that he was right about Superman and something must have happened to Lois Lane. That had to be there for a reason. So I'm wondering if there's going to be an evil Superman in one of these movies. That though only works if you have two specific things in place, firstly that Barry is delivering a clear message to Bruce at the right point in time that the him he's referring to is Superman as Bruce and the audience assumes, and secondly that their is no changing the future, Barry warning Bruce means nothing in the end because it's a loop that cannot be broken, which is something Flashpoint in itself disproves as messing with time does in fact have huge ramifications.
An evil Superman would be better suited imo with them using him as a weapon or tool of another being like a Darkseid and not him being a malevolent dictator himself, it's far easier to do the brainwash thing then have him break free so they can keep using Superman without adversely impacting his personality that way, you make him actually evil and a dick and that's always going to be part of the character really, and the DCEU Superman is already divisive enough I don't think they should be making him look worse.
Also it all assumes a 3rd thing I forgot about, that DC are paying any attention or care about that shit, they already retconned WW's backstory because the she walked away for 100 years isn't puppies and rainbows enough, so why would they then stick to a possible Superman goes bad potential plot, especially when their films have been sodomised repeatedly over the last 18 months for being dark & depressing, they realised that hope actually works for superhero films with WW and saw how it was a success, so I doubt their going to go back to the life sucks and then you die approach of the first few chapters, but that's just me.
Supes going evil could happen but it would need to be at the end of his run imo, like that's a JL 3 story at the earliest, they need to build up Superman as a positive force before they try and make evil Superman a thing, otherwise the weight of the ultimate good guy being a prick is lost, BVS should have shown everyone you don't rush into delivering things that would be cool just because it would be cool, that's why we got a Batman Vs Superman fight that had no weight, as well as a Death of Superman moment that had no significance, they rushed into those things and because of that they didn't matter really.
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Post by dazz on Nov 14, 2017 22:53:14 GMT
We already have an animated adaptation that's pretty good. Unless they reset certain elements, what's the point? Most of us haven't seen / aren't going to watch the cartoon version. You should as should everyone else...it's pretty awesome imo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 22:53:22 GMT
We already have an animated adaptation that's pretty good. Unless they reset certain elements, what's the point? Most of us haven't seen / aren't going to watch the cartoon version. You're missing out. Its really good.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 14, 2017 22:58:33 GMT
Most of us haven't seen / aren't going to watch the cartoon version. You're missing out. Its really good. Fair enough, I guess my point was, as an average American dude ( who likes superhero films ) I didn't even know it existed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 23:00:45 GMT
You're missing out. Its really good. Fair enough, I guess my point was, as an average American dude ( who likes superhero films ) I didn't even know it existed. Fair enough as well. I still highly recommend if you ever get the time.
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Post by brownstones on Nov 14, 2017 23:05:29 GMT
But do we have a director? Ummm probably
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 14, 2017 23:07:04 GMT
And my thoughts are: ugh. Why can't they just make one of these fun? The Flash is supposed to be the fun one, instead we're getting another of the darkest, bleakest stories DC has to offer. Well if you remember "Age of Ultron" was the title of a comic book (that was rather bleak itself) that they ended up using for Avengers 2, even though they only used its title, not its story. I think the same will happen here. So... don't Ugh yet. If they had used the story instead of only the title, Avengers Age of Ultron might have been a better movie.
Like I said, my guess is that its just going to be a time travel story, and it might link to that dream sequence/Flash moment between Flash and Bruce Wayne in BvS.
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Post by brownstones on Nov 14, 2017 23:08:09 GMT
Want spoilers for the original comic? Well I saw the animated movie and it was Wonder Woman and Aquaman who were the bad guys there. But Batman vs Superman had that scene with The Flash where he told Batman that he was right about Superman and something must have happened to Lois Lane. That had to be there for a reason. So I'm wondering if there's going to be an evil Superman in one of these movies. Well that doesn't necessarily mean Flashpoint, just a bleak future where Batman probably did something or didn't do something #Lois. 😋
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 23:12:27 GMT
But do we have a director? The director will determine whether or not I'll be excited for this. Hopefully it's someone good.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 14, 2017 23:16:11 GMT
Would Superman be the movies main villain? You're asking because Flash gave the warning to Bruce Wayne in BvS. Good call. Could be. But I think that will be explained some other way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 23:18:50 GMT
And my thoughts are: ugh. Why can't they just make one of these fun? The Flash is supposed to be the fun one, instead we're getting another of the darkest, bleakest stories DC has to offer. Well if you remember "Age of Ultron" was the title of a comic book (that was rather bleak itself) that they ended up using for Avengers 2, even though they only used its title, not its story. I think the same will happen here. So... don't Ugh yet. If they had used the story instead of only the title, Avengers Age of Ultron might have been a better movie.
Like I said, my guess is that its just going to be a time travel story, and it might link to that dream sequence/Flash moment between Flash and Bruce Wayne in BvS.
Even in that case, I'm still a bit weary. I feel they might be introducing the fact that The Flash can time travel a bit too early in the game. If they don't do this exactly right, they're going to have fans asking why Barry doesn't just time travel and undo every bad thing that's likely to happen in future films for years to come.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 14, 2017 23:20:15 GMT
@weirdraptor Well it sounds like it would be taken from the Injustice video game series where Superman turned evil after The Joker killed Lois Lane. Don't you think we've gotten enough of menacing glowering Superman by now? People obviously aren't liking it, and besides that, is this really how you want people to picture Superman when they think of him? Also, clever fans of DC will know how there's a way that ^^^this^^^ Superman could exist simultaneously with a good Superman. I wont spoil it because that possibility could be the basis for a future Justice League movie.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 14, 2017 23:21:53 GMT
Well if you remember "Age of Ultron" was the title of a comic book (that was rather bleak itself) that they ended up using for Avengers 2, even though they only used its title, not its story. I think the same will happen here. So... don't Ugh yet. If they had used the story instead of only the title, Avengers Age of Ultron might have been a better movie.
Like I said, my guess is that its just going to be a time travel story, and it might link to that dream sequence/Flash moment between Flash and Bruce Wayne in BvS.
Even in that case, I'm still a bit weary. I feel they might be introducing the fact that The Flash can time travel a bit too early in the game. If they don't do this exactly right, they're going to have fans asking why Barry doesn't just time travel and undo every bad thing that's likely to happen in future films for years to come. That very question could be the basis for the movie. Also, he could be limited from time travel by needing to use the Cosmic Treadmill. That's usually how it goes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 23:28:29 GMT
Even in that case, I'm still a bit weary. I feel they might be introducing the fact that The Flash can time travel a bit too early in the game. If they don't do this exactly right, they're going to have fans asking why Barry doesn't just time travel and undo every bad thing that's likely to happen in future films for years to come. That very question could be the basis for the movie. Also, he could be limited from time travel by needing to use the Cosmic Treadmill. That's usually how it goes. The easiest way to justify The Flash refraining from time traveling in future films would be to follow the comic book. Flashpoint did an excellent job of hammering in the point that messing with the timeline is a very, very bad idea. Of course, sticking with the comic means sitting through another depressing mess about how life sucks and then you die.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 14, 2017 23:34:27 GMT
That very question could be the basis for the movie. Also, he could be limited from time travel by needing to use the Cosmic Treadmill. That's usually how it goes. The easiest way to justify The Flash refraining from time traveling in future films would be to follow the comic book. Flashpoint did an excellent job of hammering in the point that messing with the timeline is a very, very bad idea. Of course, sticking with the comic means sitting through another depressing mess about how life sucks and then you die. The raptor is a ray of sunshine!
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Post by scabab on Nov 15, 2017 0:05:13 GMT
Yeah, he seems to hate it, though. He never acts like he wants to be here or be doing this. He's got this permanently frozen frown on his face during his heroics that doesn't lend itself to making him SEEM like a great person. He is scary in BvS more so than in MoS. I don't suppose he really wants to be put in a position where he has to save lives. It's a stressful thing, Firemen probably don't want to be in burning buildings either but they do it. It's also not a Marvel movie where he'd joke about it. But he is very heroic. He saved all those people on the Oil Rig. He saved all those kids on the bus. While fighting the Kryptonians he saved the guy who fell out of the chopper (even asked if he was ok). He saved the people in the rocket. He pulled that trapped boat through the ice. He saved a girl from a burning building etc. He's more heroic than any MCU hero to be honest who we don't really see do the same thing to the same extent.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 0:17:54 GMT
Yeah, he seems to hate it, though. He never acts like he wants to be here or be doing this. He's got this permanently frozen frown on his face during his heroics that doesn't lend itself to making him SEEM like a great person. He is scary in BvS more so than in MoS. I don't suppose he really wants to be put in a position where he has to save lives. It's a stressful thing, Firemen probably don't want to be in burning buildings either but they do it. It's also not a Marvel movie where he'd joke about it. But he is very heroic. He saved all those people on the Oil Rig. He saved all those kids on the bus. While fighting the Kryptonians he saved the guy who fell out of the chopper (even asked if he was ok). He saved the people in the rocket. He pulled that trapped boat through the ice. He saved a girl from a burning building etc. He's more heroic than any MCU hero to be honest who we don't really see do the same thing to the same extent. Figures you'd find some way to take pot shots at the MCU. You seem to make your bed in the DCEU side, anyway. You wanna know what other films where he would probably crack a joke or two like a human being? The Christopher Reeve films. Oh, yeah, he actually smiles in those, too, because he actually seems to enjoy making a positive impact in people's lives. What a concept. A superhero who embraces his ability to make a difference. But no, I suppose watching someone who hates being a hero go around moping about it all the time is better. He is NOT more heroic than anyone in the MCU. You fuck right off with that shit.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Nov 15, 2017 0:22:19 GMT
But do we have a director? Ummm probably Who do you think it is (or will be)?
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Post by scabab on Nov 15, 2017 0:29:15 GMT
Figures you'd find some way to take pot shots at the MCU. You seem to make your bed in the DCEU side, anyway. You wanna know what other films where he would probably crack a joke or two like a human being? The Christopher Reeve films. Oh, yeah, he actually smiles in those, too, because he actually seems to enjoy making a positive impact in people's lives. What a concept. A superhero who embraces his ability to make a difference. But no, I suppose watching someone who hates being a hero go around moping about it all the time is better. He is NOT more heroic than anyone in the MCU. You fuck right off with that shit. No it's true, Superman was shown to save many people's lives. He is famous around the world for it and they are all alive thanks to him. Smiling is irrelevant, he saves their lives that's what matters. Saying he hates what he does is just baseless. You don't see as much as that with Marvel. You don't see them on a day to day basis just saving ordinary people's lives. There isn't a montage where Thor saves people's lives for example. Superman saved 7 billion people from being killed by the Kryptonians. Meanwhile Iron Man and Bruce Banner put 7 billion people in danger by creating Ultron. Innocent people actually died because of them which is what Civil War was about. They aren't nearly as heroic as Superman.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 0:33:55 GMT
Figures you'd find some way to take pot shots at the MCU. You seem to make your bed in the DCEU side, anyway. You wanna know what other films where he would probably crack a joke or two like a human being? The Christopher Reeve films. Oh, yeah, he actually smiles in those, too, because he actually seems to enjoy making a positive impact in people's lives. What a concept. A superhero who embraces his ability to make a difference. But no, I suppose watching someone who hates being a hero go around moping about it all the time is better. He is NOT more heroic than anyone in the MCU. You fuck right off with that shit. No it's true, Superman was shown to save many people's lives. He is famous around the world for it and they are all alive thanks to him. Smiling is irrelevant, he saves their lives that's what matters. Saying he hates what he does is just baseless. You don't see as much as that with Marvel. You don't see them on a day to day basis just saving ordinary people's lives. There isn't a montage where Thor saves people's lives for example. Superman saved 7 billion people from being killed by the Kryptonians. Meanwhile Iron Man and Bruce Banner put 7 billion people in danger by creating Ultron. Innocent people actually died because of them which is what Civil War was about. They aren't nearly as heroic as Superman. No, its not true. He saves more lives because he's more able to than most other superheroes. Even Ironman. Well, excuse Captain America for not being able to fly or have all the flashy life-saving powers Supes. The MCU heroes are every bit as heroic as Superman. So fuck you. Fuck you and your obvious bias towards the DCEU. No wonder you let the trolls basically run the MCU board. You think its funny, don't you? And excuse for the MCU heroes for having flaws and making mistakes. Yeah, like Superman's never made a mistake that cost people their lives. Oh, wait, he did. He took the fight with Zod right through Smallville and basically leveled Metropolis with his war. And the film dares to act like that was a happy ending.
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