Flashpoint potentially shaping up to be something special

Cap doesn't need a montage to prove he saved millions of people. He stopped Red Skull's plane from killing millions of people. Seriously, you think a montage makes Superman more heroic? He also stopped Hydra's Helicarriers from offing a whole third of the Earth's population. We didn't need a montage to prove that, either.

Thor saved the entire universe in Thor: The Dark World, which is a number beyond count. Oh, yeah, and The Avengers will be saving the entire universe again next year in Infinity War. No montage needed. Oh, yeah, and the Guardians have saved multiple planets in just two movies. Superman: trumped.

No, Crossbones is responsible for killing an entire buildings worth of people. If anything, Scarlet Witch minimized the casualties because otherwise he'd have exploded right there in the street at the base of the building, quite possibly bringing the whole thing down and making the number much, much higher.

Ooh, using characters' pasts against them. That's mature.

Superman is a mopey dick who would rather not bother with saving people. If just buggering off and never bothering with them would make him stop glowering at everyone, he might as well just do it.

Captain America isn't the one who is much of an issue. He's the most heroic of them all.

It isn't just about an amount of lives. Superman is clearly heroic because he saves lives every single day, it's something he chooses to do because he wants to do it.

We don't often get that from other heroes. We see them save lives when they're directly involved with what's going on like Iron Man saving the people on the plane but we don't just see him go around and save people in general because he's a superhero.


Probably but nobody really had to die at all but they did because of Scarlet Witches inexperience. It was still partly her fault which is why the Civil War kicked off.

And again like I said they put everyone in danger by creating Ultron, nobody had to die there either.

Also because Tony Stark is naturally a bit of a dick and because he treated Killian like a piece of filth that in turn caused him to become a Supervillain which meant more innocent people died.

Something that Clark Kent would never have done.


Well yeah because that's all part of their character as well.

I think that Raimi's style is a bit idiosyncratic, so idk. I hate MI4, but love MI5, Brad Bird... I think he's 2 for 4, his animated films are just great, but I've found his live action films lackluster.

That's all baseless though. Police don't have a dopey smile on their face when saving lives. Spider-man wasn't enjoying himself when he was saving people from falling out of a building in Spider-man 3 either.



That directly involved them though. They all save lives under those circumstances. Superman just goes out of his way to save people.

Thor would save someone if saw they were in trouble but he's not shown to just go around looking for people who are in trouble.



He wasn't directly responsible for their deaths though.

Scarlet Witch was a part of an official superhero team and got people killed.

Superman was just a guy with super powers who suddenly found himself having to fight to save his planet from powerful aliens. He was trying to save the planet not a few dozen people in a market.



Which only cost the guy his truck. Which sorta served the guy right for being a dick to Clark and harassing a woman of which Clark stepped in to help.

That's small potatoes. Tony Stark was a dick to Killian for no reason and he became a Super villain because of it and killed innocent people because of it.

Innocents that would have still been alive had Tony Stark just been polite.

Probably not? It'll probably be closer to the original source

No, my claim is very based. Yeah, but police don't typically look like they're about to turn their own sidearms on themselves, either, after a job well done, like Superman looks like he wants to do. I've actually seen firemen at work and they weren't wearing depressed expressions. They were just focused and yes, a number of them smiled after the job was done and they were sure the people were okay. In fact, they had themselves a nice big dinner afterwards at a local diner and there was all manner of merriment.
Spider-Man: that's funny, I recall him whooping with excitement while on the job in other scenes.

What? Dark Elves ending the whole known universe involved Thor? You don't say! And the Guardians could have just turned tale and run as Rocket suggested they do. They CHOSE to go back.

Thor goes around stopping Lovecraftian horrors from reemerging on a daily basis. If that isn't going around looking for people to save, I don't know what is.

You are remembering his fight scenes incorrectly.

No, Crossbones got people killed. Someone was going to die the instant he went suicide bomber. There was no stopping it at that point.

The Avengers do it better. They actually saved civilians during the New York battle.

And his job. And probably his home. Clark could have stopped the man without ruining the livelihood.

Last time I checked, Killian was a legal adult and responsible for his own decisons.

Innocents that would have still been alive had Killian just washed his hands of Tony and his petty grudge.

1. He could at least give some kind of indication that he's pleased people didn't die. That's how most people function when they've done something good for someone else, especially on the level of "this person still has a pulse because of me."
Its like he takes nothing from the experiences apart from for fulfilling a grim duty.

2. They aren't cowards. If they were truly cowards, they wouldn't have gone back. They weren't expecting a reward when they went to stop Ronan from wiping out Xandar. Dear God, you really don't like the MCU.

3. Well, by your logic concerning Scarlet Witch, Supes didn't do out of his way to avoid civilian casualties. Therefore, he's directly responsible for their deaths.

4. Scarlet Witch minimized the casualties by doing that. People were going to die no matter what at that point. In fact, if Crossbones had detonated at the base of the building, it probably would have brought the whole thing down.

5. Last time I checked, that's for the courts and employers to decide.

6. And?

Sounds cool! Other than Days of Future Past, superhero movies haven't used time travel as a plot element much so this would be interesting. I hope they get Robert Zemeckis to direct this.

  Spot on comments.  I'm man enough to admit I was wrong about you being a mod.  You are doing a good job.  Well you let arf arf's bait threads remain but I can just ignore those.  Of course it's a shame nothing is being done about the biggest problem on these boards but I guess you and Admin John have a reason for letting it hang around.