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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 2, 2017 16:33:48 GMT
Disney should not be allowed to make xmen movies. And you are right that Kinberg directing is wrong on many levels but he is only directing dark phoenix and when it bombs, its likely we will get a hard reboot from the present world of new mutants and x-force. We know the director are puppets and follow a formula set up for them by Disney and Marvel. Please do not take on the facts. What you need to get right is that the xmen stories don’t work well with the marvel formula. We are still not over Thor 3. As much as you brag about r rating and disney, the bottom line is no MCU Movie is r rated and will ever be r rated. This is the point of their Netflix tv shows. That is the truth. Please get it right and also netlfix is not even part of the MCU. It has been made official many times.We do have no clue what Gambit, X-Force and Multiple man will be like in the end but we have an idea, that idea is still better than xmen signing on to the brain dead marvel formula. You just went back to your lieing tactics. Typical for mcu fans all they do is lie. Correction, Franco said multiple man will not be a comedy, he compared it more to Logan, psychology and genre bending. Ha, you wish it was comedy because all you mcu fanboys are bitterly happy with the mindless mcu comedy and you want to force xmen to be just that. No thanks. I wonder how you still manage to make up such shit when the truth is staring in your face right there....you give desperation a new name or did you not even read what Franco said. If i did not think Disney was running mcu before i sure do now , you see , it is because of Disney that thor 3 turned out to be more like GOTG and less like Thor. Get it right though your head, all the fake pretences about not wanting xmen in the marvel comedy universe is making me cringe.Disney does not make marvel movies but all marvel movies are very disneyish. What are the odds? Do you know that a Noah Hawley Fantastic 4 movie is likely to turn out far far better than a MCU F4 movie? Or is that breaking news to you. Yeah, you are on your own narrative. Disney are the bad guys. His fear is the common FoX-Men fear, that if anyone else gets their hands on the X-Men movie rights and makes good movies out of them people will wake up to how outdated the FoX-Men films are.
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 2, 2017 16:38:20 GMT
Disney *can* make R-rated superhero movies, they just won't likely release thru their usual banner with the castle or Mickey Mouse, if they're acquiring Fox then they'll most likely release it thru that. They're already on record saying that they're not interested in making R-rated superhero movies. They wouldn't have made Deadpool or Logan as is, and if they acquired Fox, they'd be making Deadpool PG-13. It's a fact. Everyone knows this. Apparently "everyone" (i.e. you) doesn't know much. Feige has actually stated R rated movies are not out of the question. collider.com/r-rated-marvel-movies-kevin-feige-venom-mcu/
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 2, 2017 16:40:07 GMT
Oh and Fox is so good that they massively tainted the Fantastic 4. No one cares about them. The MCU, with the peoples good will, is probably the only ones that can save them. You really think a Dr. Doom movie will do any good? Again, that movie will be low budget like Deadpool and X-men and The New Mutants and Multiple Man. They will have to rely on the Marvel logo for that movie to do any good. It's a good thing the general audience don't know the difference between the MCU logo and the Marvel Entertainment logo.
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 2, 2017 16:40:51 GMT
You have trouble with facts and reality. Fact is, Fox didn't want to make the movie and only allowed Reynolds to proceed when that test footage got out. It was more or less and independent movie made and run by him, and when it paid off the same FOX people who hadn't wanted to do it swooped in. The scary part is that Deadpool now has Fox's attention. That's not a good thing historically with this franchise. Hope RR can wade (heh) through their "advice" and make a good sequel. But I'm definitely lowering expectations.
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 2, 2017 16:47:05 GMT
All the Marvel Studios movies have been PG13. Every. Single. One. You don't know what gives a movie the MPAA rating do you? Get. It. Right.You keep saying Disney like Disney is running the day to day on the MCU. Disney just owns Marvel Studios. See I think this is where all of you are going full retard. You think that Marvel Studios and Lucasfilm are directly under Disney and that the heads of Disney are telling them what to do. Notice you don't hear any names from Disney when it comes to the MCU and Star Wars. All you hear is Kevin Feige and Kathleen Kennedy. Get it right. It's a different "PG-13" for Marvel haters. And this "Disney" stuff is pretty hilarious as you point out. Pixar, Star Wars, and Marvel have obviously been able to do what they want.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 2, 2017 16:47:33 GMT
Fact is, Fox didn't want to make the movie and only allowed Reynolds to proceed when that test footage got out. It was more or less and independent movie made and run by him, and when it paid off the same FOX people who hadn't wanted to do it swooped in. The scary part is that Deadpool now has Fox's attention. That's not a good thing historically with this franchise. Hope RR can wade (heh) through their "advice" and make a good sequel. But I'm definitely lowering expectations. Is that because of the Alien franchise track record?
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 2, 2017 16:47:42 GMT
Fact is, Fox didn't want to make the movie and only allowed Reynolds to proceed when that test footage got out. It was more or less and independent movie made and run by him, and when it paid off the same FOX people who hadn't wanted to do it swooped in. The scary part is that Deadpool now has Fox's attention. That's not a good thing historically with this franchise. Hope RR can wade (heh) through their "advice" and make a good sequel. But I'm definitely lowering expectations. I think he might have been one of the factors on why Miller isn't there. He said that he wanted to make a smaller movie like the 1st one, but Miller wanted to go bigger. Fox wanted to throw all the money at Deadpool 2. You can kinda see that the movie has a higher budget in the trailer.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 2, 2017 16:49:36 GMT
All the Marvel Studios movies have been PG13. Every. Single. One. You don't know what gives a movie the MPAA rating do you? Get. It. Right.You keep saying Disney like Disney is running the day to day on the MCU. Disney just owns Marvel Studios. See I think this is where all of you are going full retard. You think that Marvel Studios and Lucasfilm are directly under Disney and that the heads of Disney are telling them what to do. Notice you don't hear any names from Disney when it comes to the MCU and Star Wars. All you hear is Kevin Feige and Kathleen Kennedy. Get it right. It's a different "PG-13" for Marvel haters. And this "Disney" stuff is pretty hilarious as you point out. Pixar, Star Wars, and Marvel have obviously been able to do what they want. Less colors mean for grown ups. When, legend has it, that's not true.
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 2, 2017 17:26:25 GMT
The scary part is that Deadpool now has Fox's attention. That's not a good thing historically with this franchise. Hope RR can wade (heh) through their "advice" and make a good sequel. But I'm definitely lowering expectations. Is that because of the Alien franchise track record? Yikes...that too.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 2, 2017 17:34:47 GMT
The scary part is that Deadpool now has Fox's attention. That's not a good thing historically with this franchise. Hope RR can wade (heh) through their "advice" and make a good sequel. But I'm definitely lowering expectations. Is that because of the Alien franchise track record? The Alien movies haven't been good in 25 years, since Alien 3.
I'll be a little unhappy if Disney chooses not to do other Planet of the Apes movies, but the series wrapped itself up pretty well in "War".
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 2, 2017 17:39:06 GMT
Is that because of the Alien franchise track record? The Alien movies haven't been good in 25 years, since Alien 3.
I'll be a little unhappy if Disney chooses not to do other Planet of the Apes movies, but the series wrapped itself up pretty well in "War".
I would love it if someone would let Scott do an Alien movie his way. I could smell Fox's hands all over the last one. Scott was trying to tell a story about the engineers but he had to force in yet another tale of xenomorphs chasing down hapless crew members for the umteenth time complete with the required jump scares and frustratingly stupid characters. Never saw that before. Just lower the budget and get rid of the xenomorphs for a change. You'll lose the blood and gore horror crowd but they aren't a big group anyway.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 2, 2017 17:40:18 GMT
Is that because of the Alien franchise track record? The Alien movies haven't been good in 25 years, since Alien 3.
I'll be a little unhappy if Disney chooses not to do other Planet of the Apes movies, but the series wrapped itself up pretty well in "War".
If Disney buys fox studios, and that's a big IF, You bet your ass they'll make more all films. Especially now that they're popular again. I am worried about what they'll do with the Alien franchise.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 2, 2017 17:46:59 GMT
The Alien movies haven't been good in 25 years, since Alien 3.
I'll be a little unhappy if Disney chooses not to do other Planet of the Apes movies, but the series wrapped itself up pretty well in "War".
If Disney buys fox studios, and that's a big IF, You bet your ass they'll make more all films. Especially now that they're popular again. I am worried about what they'll do with the Alien franchise. Well, maybe they're reopen that "Extra-Terror-restrial" Encounter ride at Disneyland again. Except with Xenomorphs.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 2, 2017 18:23:51 GMT
If Disney buys fox studios, and that's a big IF, You bet your ass they'll make more all films. Especially now that they're popular again. I am worried about what they'll do with the Alien franchise. Well, maybe they're reopen that "Extra-Terror-restrial" Encounter ride at Disneyland again. Except with Xenomorphs. That would actually be pretty cool. Hopefully they wouldn't make PG-13 alien movies.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 19:45:10 GMT
Fox made the movie. Disney didn't, nor would they have. These are facts, no matter how much you don't like it. Fox didn't make the movie. They put up a little bit of go away money. Disney didn't have the rights to make it. These are facts, no matter how much you don't like it. Facts are stingy things. Fox made the movie. But you're obviously free to ignore reality.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 2, 2017 19:51:42 GMT
Fox didn't make the movie. They put up a little bit of go away money. Disney didn't have the rights to make it. These are facts, no matter how much you don't like it. Facts are stingy things. And the fact is that FOX didn't make Deadpool, Reynolds did.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 2, 2017 20:04:51 GMT
And the fact is that FOX didn't make Deadpool, Reynolds did. Nah, Fox had the vision and ambition to give it the promotional legs it needed to be successful. Something Disney would never have done -- and never will.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 2, 2017 20:09:41 GMT
And the fact is that FOX didn't make Deadpool, Reynolds did. Nah, Ryan Reynolds had the vision and ambition to give it the promotional legs it needed to be successful. Something Fox would never have done. Fixed.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 2, 2017 20:40:19 GMT
Disney should not be allowed to make xmen movies. And you are right that Kinberg directing is wrong on many levels but he is only directing dark phoenix and when it bombs, its likely we will get a hard reboot from the present world of new mutants and x-force. We know the director are puppets and follow a formula set up for them by Disney and Marvel. Please do not take on the facts. What you need to get right is that the xmen stories don’t work well with the marvel formula. We are still not over Thor 3. As much as you brag about r rating and disney, the bottom line is no MCU Movie is r rated and will ever be r rated. This is the point of their Netflix tv shows. That is the truth. Please get it right and also netlfix is not even part of the MCU. It has been made official many times.We do have no clue what Gambit, X-Force and Multiple man will be like in the end but we have an idea, that idea is still better than xmen signing on to the brain dead marvel formula. You just went back to your lieing tactics. Typical for mcu fans all they do is lie. Correction, Franco said multiple man will not be a comedy, he compared it more to Logan, psychology and genre bending. Ha, you wish it was comedy because all you mcu fanboys are bitterly happy with the mindless mcu comedy and you want to force xmen to be just that. No thanks. I wonder how you still manage to make up such shit when the truth is staring in your face right there....you give desperation a new name or did you not even read what Franco said. If i did not think Disney was running mcu before i sure do now , you see , it is because of Disney that thor 3 turned out to be more like GOTG and less like Thor. Get it right though your head, all the fake pretences about not wanting xmen in the marvel comedy universe is making me cringe.Disney does not make marvel movies but all marvel movies are very disneyish. What are the odds? Do you know that a Noah Hawley Fantastic 4 movie is likely to turn out far far better than a MCU F4 movie? Or is that breaking news to you. Yeah, you are on your own narrative. Disney is the bad guy. You aren't over Thor Ragnarok because you had a narrative for what the story should be not what they were doing. The X-men stories don't work with Fox. Because it's more than obvious that people aren't into what Fox was doing with the movies. And again, Disney only foots the bills. They have nothing to do with the day to day. Get it right. Who's bragging about R rated movies except for people that think that Fox will make R rated X-men movies when even they said that only the outside movies will be R-rated. You'll never get a main X-men movie rated R. I don't care if any of the CBM are rated G. As long as they are good. That's the part you aren't getting. And what any of the people that just throw out R rated movies. If the story isn't good then the R rating is useless. R ratings don't make movies good. The point of the Netflix shows are to have Netflix shows. The Netflix shows are a part of Marvel Television. If you notice, none of the tv shows have the movie logo on them. It just says Marvel like the Fox movies. But, the Netflix shows and the ABC shows are a part of the MCU. They just are directly tied like the movies are. If you watch the shows they actually mention stuff from the movies. So yes they are in the MCU. So Multiple Man is going to be really low budget, huh? When Fox takes a risk they don't give it any money until they think it will make some money back. And this is James Franco. This is either going to be a small movie or it will be mostly comedy. Also, you do know that a movie can be psychological and comedic. Also, the movie is about a man that can split into multiple bodies. That alone will make it psychological. Also, you know that one of his dupes will be the villain right? Desperation? You act like I'm trying to fool you. lol And I don't have to read what Franco said because I know the studio and the actor's track record. *Sigh* Have you not seen a Taika Waititi movie? That's why Thor turned out the way it did and did better than the other Thor movies. I hope X-men gets into the MCU and they make it slapstick comedy with cartoon images worse than Who Framed Roger Rabbit. All the MCU movies are more Marvel than anything Fox has made. Don't get upset that people have forgotten the X-men and that the proper Marvel titles are more popular than the X-men. I mean is anyone really caring about the New Mutants? How many people watched the Infinity War trailer? How many people watched The New Mutants trailer? Hell, when is the movie even coming out? Do you know off the top of your head? Or do you have to go look it up? You mean the Fantastic 4 movie that will be more in the line of Spy Kids? The one about Franklin Richards and his sister? Is not my narrative, I just draw facts based on the evidence. MCU fans don t like to here the actual narrative. don’t you think it is ridiculous to say the xmen narrative don’t work with fox? X-men will work anywhere but Disney. WB, Sony, Universal has a better chance to make a better xmen movie than Disney. If you had a clue about xmen , you will know this. If you are referring to X-Men movies the non solo ones that are pg 13 , yet those movies are still too heavy, grounded and serious to pass off as MCU movies. It should be for the real actual fans of xmen to decide what they find good and let’s face it, X-Men fans think MCU movies are not good...not good enough. Netflix or not, there is nothing stopping Disney from giving Daredevil or Punisher their own movies especially when , before they got the rights back they already had movies made. Oh, we forgot that did we? Also do you not also see how generic mcu is. Look at DC movies and TV. DC has two separate worlds for them with two separate characters. We have two versions of the flash, two supermans, two bruce waynes all in their self contained universe in movies and tv. Want to know why? DC is not scared to put all their characters in movies, light or dark.. If DC can put characters like the Joker, Batman, Deathstoke in movies then marvel should be able to put daredevil and the punisher in movies too but they cannot do so because all mcu movies have to be the kid friendly Disney modelled way and that is not right for x-men. That is not my narrative that is fact based on the xmen source material. I have no clue if Multiple man will be low budget, I think it will be a good budget but this kills the debate doesn’t it? Because if the budget is low, it means more serious movie and more drama , more storytelling and less explosions. that already makes it better than all the mcu movies that rely on too much special effects and zero plot. As you can see for yourself, you still are saying it will be comedy when Franco said it will be not and may I just add something, the character of multiple man is more like Legion so it is impossible that it will be comedy , proving once again Disney is not right for xmen movies. Please do continue to call multiple man a comedy, we will rather stick to reality of Franco saying it is more of a psychological movie in the veins of logan. Shall we look at the studios track record of late. Logan, Deadpool, Apocalypse, DOFP, The Wolverine, First Class, all this released in the marvel studio era. Last I checked mcu movies are worse off and have a poorer track record. As for the actor, James Franco has a better body of the work than most of the mcu actors right now. His track record is currently better than Chris Evans, RDJ, Chris Helmsworth, Scarlet Jo and the rest of the actors in mcu who are currently defined by their mcu roles which is nothing to right home about. Maybe you are trying to fool me but I do my research well to know the facts from mcu fans fantasy. The first Thor movie is the best movie of the bunch because it is still Thor not GOTG. In other words, what you mean is.. I hope X-Men makes it into the MCU so X-Men movies can stop embarrassing all the slaps stick comedy MCU movies with their more serious take on comic films. As for New Mutants, when the new mutants trailer was released it started a NEW conversation on how far the comic book genre go? Superhero horror, An individuality type of stories instead of saving the world with city destruction nonsense aka Infinty war? lets see if it works that was the reaction of the new mutants trailer. That was more news worthy and relevant in the film industry and to actual people than the latest MCU formula movie of the week. Oh boy the infinity war trailer, yes I watched it. It has millions of views and what happens now? The trailer had a lot of views but did not get any one to think deeper than what comic book movies are compared to what the new mutants and logan trailer did. The movie comes out, its age of ultron part 3, its silly, its jokey, its all about fun, things explodes, more fart jokes, it makes money and we forget it. That is how infinity war will end in 2018 . All new mutants has to do is be a very good movie and the film will have a bigger impact than infinity war because it means the comic genre will movie forward and be redefined again whereas infinity war will come and go like all marvel movies of the month. See this year already with thor, homecoming and gotg. Ironic it is fox and DC that has the most important comic films of 2017. One for women, the other for the entire genre. Oh so superficial are we, remember when GOTG 2 trailer was breaking records last year? Well look how that turned out in 2017. Logan shitted on all MCU movies, same in 2016 with deadpool and Civil War/Dr Strange, Same in 2014 with DOFP and GOTG/The Winter Solider. That fox track record of X-Men movies will continue in 2018 and that is what mcu fans want to stop. MCU fans want to stop. sorry, won't happen. The Fantastic 4 movie based from Dr Doom’s point of view, you know the guy behind Legion and Fargo. That alone seems to be scaring the MCU fans which means it can be nothing but short of great. In the end, MCU fans should not be upset that X-men outgrew marvel to the point that marvel can’t even make xmen stories in film without needing to dumb it down or making it a complete joke. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 20:57:19 GMT
It's pretty incredible to watch this willful ignorance of reality unfold.
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