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Post by summers8 on Dec 2, 2017 20:58:16 GMT
And the fact is that FOX didn't make Deadpool, Reynolds did. Nah, Fox had the vision and ambition to give it the promotional legs it needed to be successful. Something Disney would never have done -- and never will. Exactly, you have to laugh at the MCU fans. They think more superficially than their movies. X-Men fans are talking about things like story telling, depth and pushing the comic book genre forward , more stand alone character driven movies like Logan, which is what the xmen comics used to do with their stories. MCU fans are talking about how many people saw the infinity war trailer as a way to show mcu is good or relevant to real films? Does 100 million people watching the infinity war trailer change the fact that Infinity war will be another mindless comedy mcu movie we have seen 17 times and over or am I missing something here? More people saw the infinity war trailer but more people questioned in a good way how far the genre can go with the new mutants trailer because it is nothing we have ever seen so far. Um, and they want to know which is relevant in 2017 for a genre that already has X-Men 2000, Blade, TDK , Deadpool and Logan and is already getting over saturated with constant mcu jokey movies. no one should confuse actual real fans of films to the dumb masses that rewatch a trailer 50 times and over to see cgi. Fox has the vision and ambition to expand the world of xmen for the better, Disney does not and that ends the debate based on facts not opinons. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 2, 2017 21:11:21 GMT
Is not my narrative, I just draw facts based on the evidence. It is, and you don't. No, we just don't like the stagnant attempts FOX has given us for 17 years. No. Disney already did a better film about prejudice than all the X-Movies combined. They wanted to experiment with longer term storytelling. Yes, very lazily done. No, it means Franco merely co-opting Madrox's name and powers to make his own movie. He's nothing like Legion, in fact TV Legion has little to do with Comics Legion. Logan only got a good reception from being Jackman's Swan Song, Deadpool from people who wanted blood and gore for the sheer sake of it, DOFP got a booster from the old cast coming back. The others aren't that good. If you read Thor, you'd know he does fight aliens a lot. Stop being ashamed of their origins. Says you. No it won't. MCU won again, against everyone. |
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 2, 2017 21:11:36 GMT
Nah, Ryan Reynolds had the vision and ambition to give it the promotional legs it needed to be successful. Something Fox would never have done. Fixed. It's getting a little embarrassing. Fox has been so inept that people are forced to pretend they were passionate about making the Deadpool movie? When you see spin, distortion, and attempts to rewrite history you know there isn't anything real to brag about. Are we really supposed to forget that RR spent a decade trying to get DP made? A freaking decade. Oh yeah...hold Fox back...they were just chomping at the bit to make a DP movie, weren't they? We saw what Fox's idea of DP was. They are so clueless they made Deadpool into a mute. That's right ladies and gentlemen....a freaking mute. That is pretty much the exact opposite thing you should do with DP. Any normal person with any knowledge of the character whatsoever would have that on a list of things NOT to do . That one has apparently conveniently left the memory banks of some. You really need several blows to the head to continue to claim Fox is some champion for DP. Making a list of Fox screw ups would be tough to narrow down to a top 10 list. What do you put at #1? Mute Deadpool or Galactus the Cloud? Tough choice there. After that, do you put massacring Dark Phoenix or Age of Apocalypse? Wasting Storm, Rogue, Kitty, Colossus, or Dr Doom? Total continuity screw ups or hiring Bret Ratner? Making Mystique into a hero because they cast JLaw or making the whole franchise about Wolverine? Being unable to get a single X-men movie above 250m domestic or making Cyclops a minor character? Wow...there are actually people who defend this studio. Who is running things at Fox anyway? Just rename it to 21st Century Fux. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 2, 2017 21:13:49 GMT
X-Men fans are talking about things like story telling, depth and pushing the comic book genre No they aren't. They just don't want to embrace the source material because they're ashamed of comics. They keep thinking this "we must transcend the genre!" thing is worthwhile, when it's always been a wrong-headed idea. You're missing something, it's not the year 2000 anymore and CBMs are free to be unashamed. No they didn't. No they don't, they're just ashamed of comics. |
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 2, 2017 21:20:09 GMT
MCU fans are talking about how many people saw the infinity war trailer as a way to show mcu is good or relevant to real films? Does 100 million people watching the infinity war trailer change the fact that Infinity war will be another mindless comedy mcu movie we have seen 17 times and over or am I missing something here? More people saw the infinity war trailer but more people questioned in a good way how far the genre can go with the new mutants trailer because it is nothing we have ever seen so far. Um, and they want to know which is relevant in 2017 for a genre that already has X-Men 2000, Blade, TDK , Deadpool and Logan and is already getting over saturated with constant mcu jokey movies. no one should confuse actual real fans of films to the dumb masses that rewatch a trailer 50 times and over to see cgi. Fox has the vision and ambition to expand the world of xmen for the better, Disney does not and that ends the debate based on facts not opinons. You are allowed to have a minority opinion. But you seem to be claiming your minority opinion matters more than the majority opinion. You think all 17 MCU movies are the same and that everyone who is excited about IW are somehow not smart enough to realize this "truth" that just happens to match your minority opinion. I suppose you can keep shouting into the wind and hope the world starts to agree with you. Meanwhile you can somehow ignore the 17 years of Fox ineptitude as they have been the least successful CBM studio at the box office. What is this "expansion" you claim is "facts'? The world certainly is less interested in this Faux X-men than you are claiming. That's facts. |
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Post by darkpast on Dec 2, 2017 21:22:05 GMT
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 2, 2017 21:23:06 GMT
X-Men fans are talking about things like story telling, depth and pushing the comic book genre No they aren't. They just don't want to embrace the source material because they're ashamed of comics. They keep thinking this "we must transcend the genre!" thing is worthwhile, when it's always been a wrong-headed idea. Exactly. "Transcend the genre" is another word for "ashamed to be a comic book movie". Meanwhile Marvel is elevating the genre. There is no reason to think a comic book movie is inferior and must be "transcended". |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 2, 2017 22:16:23 GMT
It's pretty incredible to watch this willful ignorance of reality unfold. Innit? |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 2, 2017 22:24:40 GMT
MCU fans are talking about how many people saw the infinity war trailer as a way to show mcu is good or relevant to real films? Does 100 million people watching the infinity war trailer change the fact that Infinity war will be another mindless comedy mcu movie we have seen 17 times and over or am I missing something here? More people saw the infinity war trailer but more people questioned in a good way how far the genre can go with the new mutants trailer because it is nothing we have ever seen so far. Um, and they want to know which is relevant in 2017 for a genre that already has X-Men 2000, Blade, TDK , Deadpool and Logan and is already getting over saturated with constant mcu jokey movies. no one should confuse actual real fans of films to the dumb masses that rewatch a trailer 50 times and over to see cgi. Fox has the vision and ambition to expand the world of xmen for the better, Disney does not and that ends the debate based on facts not opinons. You are allowed to have a minority opinion. But you seem to be claiming your minority opinion matters more than the majority opinion. You think all 17 MCU movies are the same and that everyone who is excited about IW are somehow not smart enough to realize this "truth" that just happens to match your minority opinion. I suppose you can keep shouting into the wind and hope the world starts to agree with you. Meanwhile you can somehow ignore the 17 years of Fox ineptitude as they have been the least successful CBM studio at the box office. What is this "expansion" you claim is "facts'? The world certainly is less interested in this Faux X-men than you are claiming. That's facts. faux minority in the social media age? its not a minority opinion, its a factual opinion, I am talking about the end. So what happens after the infinity war trailer and may 18 happens and we have another generic avengers movie like the previous two? that is fact. I hate to point it out most people said the trailer was fun and very marvel but nothing special or nothing different like the other movies. Its the same old same old. cgi action packed blow up the world thing. New mutants started an entire discussion for a genre no comic film has ever tapped into yet. new mutants is different, infinity war is not. To the contrary of IW, the trailer of Infinity War was even divisive because of Thanos CGI, how quickly we forget. Interest in the end is subjective, the dumb masses will show up to all mcu movies however the xmen movies will stay on its own and continue to redefine the genre to great success in their own rights, xmen has already outgrown the marvel formula. that is fact. That is the difference here. This is like the fake hype of homecoming all over again until reality hit when the movie is out and we have another formulaic mcu movie . you should learn from GOTG 2, THOR 3, and Homecoming this year. X-Men has always been about the substance that usually pays off. MCU is all about the hype in the end of emptiness, reason we need to keep them separate. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 2, 2017 22:31:12 GMT
its not a minority opinion, It is. CBM history is made. No one said anything about the trailers for the FOX films either. No it didn't. Show how ashamed they are of comics. Yeah, FoX-men are stuck in the past. The first genuine Spidey film in a long time. Successes. Appealing to people ashamed of comics. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 22:31:42 GMT
You are allowed to have a minority opinion. But you seem to be claiming your minority opinion matters more than the majority opinion. You think all 17 MCU movies are the same and that everyone who is excited about IW are somehow not smart enough to realize this "truth" that just happens to match your minority opinion. I suppose you can keep shouting into the wind and hope the world starts to agree with you. Meanwhile you can somehow ignore the 17 years of Fox ineptitude as they have been the least successful CBM studio at the box office. What is this "expansion" you claim is "facts'? The world certainly is less interested in this Faux X-men than you are claiming. That's facts. faux minority in the social media age? its not a minority opinion, its a factual opinion, I am talking about the end. So what happens after the infinity war trailer and may 18 happens and we have another generic avengers movie like the previous two? that is fact. I hate to point it out most people said the trailer was fun and very marvel but nothing special or nothing different like the other movies. Its the same old same old. cgi action packed blow up the world thing. New mutants started an entire discussion for a genre no comic film has ever tapped into yet. new mutants is different, infinity war is not. To the contrary of IW, the trailer of Infinity War was even divisive because of Thanos CGI, how quickly we forget. Interest in the end is subjective, the dumb masses will show up to all mcu movies however the xmen movies will stay on its own and continue to redefine the genre to great success in their own rights, xmen has already outgrown the marvel formula. that is fact. That is the difference here. This is like the fake hype of homecoming all over again until reality hit when the movie is out and we have another formulaic mcu movie . you should learn from GOTG 2, THOR 3, and Homecoming this year. X-Men has always been about the substance that usually pays off. MCU is all about the hype in the end of emptiness, reason we need to keep them separate. New Mutants looked to me like it sucked monkey balls. #teamcolden |
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 2, 2017 23:03:45 GMT
Fox didn't make the movie. They put up a little bit of go away money. Disney didn't have the rights to make it. These are facts, no matter how much you don't like it. Facts are stingy things. Fox made the movie. But you're obviously free to ignore reality. The fact is that Fox didn't want to make the movie until Miller and Reynolds leaked the CG footage of the highway scene. The fact is that Fox saw that it was popular and put up a small budget so they can make it and stop bothering them about making it. If Fox wanted to make it they would have marketed. But they had Reynolds do it all on his own. Those are the facts. |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 2, 2017 23:23:00 GMT
Facts are stingy things. Fox made the movie. But you're obviously free to ignore reality. The fact is that Fox didn't want to make the movie until Miller and Reynolds leaked the CG footage of the highway scene. The fact is that Fox saw that it was popular and put up a small budget so they can make it and stop bothering them about making it. If Fox wanted to make it they would have marketed. But they had Reynolds do it all on his own. Those are the facts. You do remember when mcu did worse, they had far more chances to make the first female solo film and they did not have the balls to do so until wonder woman got them beat now Kevin Feige is saying he regrets it that wonder woman beat them to it. Fox at least can learn from past failures, Marvel does not need to learn because our darling media protects their movies the same way they have told us Justice League is bad and GOTG 2 and Thor 3 are kind of good when that is total bs. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 2, 2017 23:28:25 GMT
Yeah, you are on your own narrative. Disney is the bad guy. You aren't over Thor Ragnarok because you had a narrative for what the story should be not what they were doing. The X-men stories don't work with Fox. Because it's more than obvious that people aren't into what Fox was doing with the movies. And again, Disney only foots the bills. They have nothing to do with the day to day. Get it right. Who's bragging about R rated movies except for people that think that Fox will make R rated X-men movies when even they said that only the outside movies will be R-rated. You'll never get a main X-men movie rated R. I don't care if any of the CBM are rated G. As long as they are good. That's the part you aren't getting. And what any of the people that just throw out R rated movies. If the story isn't good then the R rating is useless. R ratings don't make movies good. The point of the Netflix shows are to have Netflix shows. The Netflix shows are a part of Marvel Television. If you notice, none of the tv shows have the movie logo on them. It just says Marvel like the Fox movies. But, the Netflix shows and the ABC shows are a part of the MCU. They just are directly tied like the movies are. If you watch the shows they actually mention stuff from the movies. So yes they are in the MCU. So Multiple Man is going to be really low budget, huh? When Fox takes a risk they don't give it any money until they think it will make some money back. And this is James Franco. This is either going to be a small movie or it will be mostly comedy. Also, you do know that a movie can be psychological and comedic. Also, the movie is about a man that can split into multiple bodies. That alone will make it psychological. Also, you know that one of his dupes will be the villain right? Desperation? You act like I'm trying to fool you. lol And I don't have to read what Franco said because I know the studio and the actor's track record. *Sigh* Have you not seen a Taika Waititi movie? That's why Thor turned out the way it did and did better than the other Thor movies. I hope X-men gets into the MCU and they make it slapstick comedy with cartoon images worse than Who Framed Roger Rabbit. All the MCU movies are more Marvel than anything Fox has made. Don't get upset that people have forgotten the X-men and that the proper Marvel titles are more popular than the X-men. I mean is anyone really caring about the New Mutants? How many people watched the Infinity War trailer? How many people watched The New Mutants trailer? Hell, when is the movie even coming out? Do you know off the top of your head? Or do you have to go look it up? You mean the Fantastic 4 movie that will be more in the line of Spy Kids? The one about Franklin Richards and his sister? Is not my narrative, I just draw facts based on the evidence. MCU fans don t like to here the actual narrative. don’t you think it is ridiculous to say the xmen narrative don’t work with fox? X-men will work anywhere but Disney. WB, Sony, Universal has a better chance to make a better xmen movie than Disney. If you had a clue about xmen , you will know this. If you are referring to X-Men movies the non solo ones that are pg 13 , yet those movies are still too heavy, grounded and serious to pass off as MCU movies. It should be for the real actual fans of xmen to decide what they find good and let’s face it, X-Men fans think MCU movies are not good...not good enough. Netflix or not, there is nothing stopping Disney from giving Daredevil or Punisher their own movies especially when , before they got the rights back they already had movies made. Oh, we forgot that did we? Also do you not also see how generic mcu is. Look at DC movies and TV. DC has two separate worlds for them with two separate characters. We have two versions of the flash, two supermans, two bruce waynes all in their self contained universe in movies and tv. Want to know why? DC is not scared to put all their characters in movies, light or dark.. If DC can put characters like the Joker, Batman, Deathstoke in movies then marvel should be able to put daredevil and the punisher in movies too but they cannot do so because all mcu movies have to be the kid friendly Disney modelled way and that is not right for x-men. That is not my narrative that is fact based on the xmen source material. I have no clue if Multiple man will be low budget, I think it will be a good budget but this kills the debate doesn’t it? Because if the budget is low, it means more serious movie and more drama , more storytelling and less explosions. that already makes it better than all the mcu movies that rely on too much special effects and zero plot. As you can see for yourself, you still are saying it will be comedy when Franco said it will be not and may I just add something, the character of multiple man is more like Legion so it is impossible that it will be comedy , proving once again Disney is not right for xmen movies. Please do continue to call multiple man a comedy, we will rather stick to reality of Franco saying it is more of a psychological movie in the veins of logan. Shall we look at the studios track record of late. Logan, Deadpool, Apocalypse, DOFP, The Wolverine, First Class, all this released in the marvel studio era. Last I checked mcu movies are worse off and have a poorer track record. As for the actor, James Franco has a better body of the work than most of the mcu actors right now. His track record is currently better than Chris Evans, RDJ, Chris Helmsworth, Scarlet Jo and the rest of the actors in mcu who are currently defined by their mcu roles which is nothing to right home about. Maybe you are trying to fool me but I do my research well to know the facts from mcu fans fantasy. The first Thor movie is the best movie of the bunch because it is still Thor not GOTG. In other words, what you mean is.. I hope X-Men makes it into the MCU so X-Men movies can stop embarrassing all the slaps stick comedy MCU movies with their more serious take on comic films. As for New Mutants, when the new mutants trailer was released it started a NEW conversation on how far the comic book genre go? Superhero horror, An individuality type of stories instead of saving the world with city destruction nonsense aka Infinty war? lets see if it works that was the reaction of the new mutants trailer. That was more news worthy and relevant in the film industry and to actual people than the latest MCU formula movie of the week. Oh boy the infinity war trailer, yes I watched it. It has millions of views and what happens now? The trailer had a lot of views but did not get any one to think deeper than what comic book movies are compared to what the new mutants and logan trailer did. The movie comes out, its age of ultron part 3, its silly, its jokey, its all about fun, things explodes, more fart jokes, it makes money and we forget it. That is how infinity war will end in 2018 . All new mutants has to do is be a very good movie and the film will have a bigger impact than infinity war because it means the comic genre will movie forward and be redefined again whereas infinity war will come and go like all marvel movies of the month. See this year already with thor, homecoming and gotg. Ironic it is fox and DC that has the most important comic films of 2017. One for women, the other for the entire genre. Oh so superficial are we, remember when GOTG 2 trailer was breaking records last year? Well look how that turned out in 2017. Logan shitted on all MCU movies, same in 2016 with deadpool and Civil War/Dr Strange, Same in 2014 with DOFP and GOTG/The Winter Solider. That fox track record of X-Men movies will continue in 2018 and that is what mcu fans want to stop. MCU fans want to stop. sorry, won't happen. The Fantastic 4 movie based from Dr Doom’s point of view, you know the guy behind Legion and Fargo. That alone seems to be scaring the MCU fans which means it can be nothing but short of great. In the end, MCU fans should not be upset that X-men outgrew marvel to the point that marvel can’t even make xmen stories in film without needing to dumb it down or making it a complete joke. Sorry. Yes, because everyone is going to see the X-men movies because it is so loved. X-men should be getting all the fans into theaters, but it is not. It's not working. People aren't interested in the movies. The people in charge of the X-men movies have no idea what they are doing. They are basically a step above the DCEU at the present moment. Do you really think that people care about X-men Dark Phoenix? Do you think people care about The New Mutants? What's stopping them is that Marvel Television took claim of the characters. They could have made a Ghost Rider movie, but MT took claim for Agents of SHIELD. They could have made a Luke Cage movie, but MT took claim for Netflix. They could have made a Daredevil movie, but MT took claim for Netflix. Different departments of the same company. It's not like DC that makes multiples of the same character. I mean, is that suppose to be the same Blink and Thunderbird from DoFP? And everyone wants to watch Infinity War. A lot more than wants to watch the New Mutants. What MCU movie had a fart joke? And nobody forgot any of the MCU movies. But everybody is trying their hardest to forget Apocalypse. Everyone is trying their hardest to forget most of the X-men movies. Actually, it doesn't mean that Multiple Man will be serious and dramatic. You know it needs a high budget just for them having multiple James Francos on screen at the same time right? Thor 3 wasn't GotG. It was a Taika Waititi movie. Get it right. Hope is all I see when you talk about New Mutants having to be good to change movies. Keep hoping that it is good. At this point that's all Fox and DC has. That hope. You know that no one is really following the Dr. Doom movie right? It's the same as the Joker movie. Fox screwed up Dr. Doom 3 times. Can't even touch caring when it comes to that movie. Also, getting the guy that made a couple tv shows (forgotten by this point) doesn't fill with hope. Also, a F4 movie based from Doom's perspective? Isn't that like the X-men movies that star Magneto? So, that's why Fox tried to make a MCU movie with Apocalypse without understanding what makes the MCU so good? Ryan Reynolds and Tim Miller get's what makes a MCU movie good. And they were rewarded because of it. Once Fox and Singer and the hardcore Foxilites get past this idea of what it means to make a good comic book movie then they too will have audiences flocking to their movies. And it's not making the movie Rated R. All of you got the wrong idea. Get it right. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 2, 2017 23:37:46 GMT
The fact is that Fox didn't want to make the movie until Miller and Reynolds leaked the CG footage of the highway scene. The fact is that Fox saw that it was popular and put up a small budget so they can make it and stop bothering them about making it. If Fox wanted to make it they would have marketed. But they had Reynolds do it all on his own. Those are the facts. You do remember when mcu did worse, they had far more chances to make the first female solo film and they did not have the balls to do so until wonder woman got them beat now Kevin Feige is saying he regrets it that wonder woman beat them to it. Fox at least can learn from past failures, Marvel does not need to learn because our darling media protects their movies the same way they have told us Justice League is bad and GOTG 2 and Thor 3 are kind of good when that is total bs. And all DC did was remake Captain America First Avenger. And you know the guy that held them back from making a female led movie is not in charge anymore correct? Ike Perlmutter or whatever his name isn't calling the shots in the MCU. That's why they announced the Captain Marvel movie. Also, you do know there were Supergirl, Elektra and Catwoman movies right? Yeah, the last movies they made were X-men Apocalypse and Logan. One of them was a movie that most people don't care about it was middle of the road. The other was a movie they made Rated R because they thought that's what made Deadpool good. So, no, they haven't learned from their mistakes. What movie will Fox remake next, though. They already remade A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Terminator 2. Let's think of a movie that has a young woman that is possessed. Exorcist? Maybe that's what Dark Phoenix will be based on. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 2, 2017 23:46:30 GMT
The fact is that Fox didn't want to make the movie until Miller and Reynolds leaked the CG footage of the highway scene. The fact is that Fox saw that it was popular and put up a small budget so they can make it and stop bothering them about making it. If Fox wanted to make it they would have marketed. But they had Reynolds do it all on his own. Those are the facts. You do remember when mcu did worse, they had far more chances to make the first female solo film They wanted to for years, Ike Perlmutter wouldn't let them. |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 3, 2017 0:48:04 GMT
You do remember when mcu did worse, they had far more chances to make the first female solo film and they did not have the balls to do so until wonder woman got them beat now Kevin Feige is saying he regrets it that wonder woman beat them to it. Fox at least can learn from past failures, Marvel does not need to learn because our darling media protects their movies the same way they have told us Justice League is bad and GOTG 2 and Thor 3 are kind of good when that is total bs. And all DC did was remake Captain America First Avenger. And you know the guy that held them back from making a female led movie is not in charge anymore correct? Ike Perlmutter or whatever his name isn't calling the shots in the MCU. That's why they announced the Captain Marvel movie. Also, you do know there were Supergirl, Elektra and Catwoman movies right? Yeah, the last movies they made were X-men Apocalypse and Logan. One of them was a movie that most people don't care about it was middle of the road. The other was a movie they made Rated R because they thought that's what made Deadpool good. So, no, they haven't learned from their mistakes. What movie will Fox remake next, though. They already remade A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Terminator 2. Let's think of a movie that has a young woman that is possessed. Exorcist? Maybe that's what Dark Phoenix will be based on. Well we know mcu fans settle for lies and making shit up. Everyone likes their reality in DOFP/T2. the last movies mcu made... gotg 2, thor 3 , homecoming. 3 generic superficial light hearted jokes of a movie(s) GOTG 2 was awful, even the MCU level headed fans agreed. Thor 3 , another joke that disgraced norse mythology, despite all the fake hype from the media actual fans expressed heavy disappointment that the movie took the GOTG route for a film that should have been about the end of the world. Homecoming was inferior to the earlier Spiderman movies, not as profitable as Siny thought it will be which made them forge ahead with Venom. You know what I mean by learning, the fact that Fox knows better now than to depend on the singerverse and want to expand more. Bring on Deadpool 2, X-Force, Gambit, New Mutants, Multiple Man. That is learning, you know what is not learning? Using the mcu formula over and over again with the same type of lame results and making everything into a joke bcuz it sells the most toys. sorry. keep that crap away X-men. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 3, 2017 0:50:46 GMT
Well we know mcu fans settle for lies and making shit up. Calm down Francis, you're going to give yourself skin failure. Nope, it just wasn't as good as the first. It was actually close to the mythology, with Ragnarok not being the absolute end of the world and Surtur doing the deed. A huge success. It's something Fox is bad at. Something they'll have to endure when Disney buys their movies and pulls them into the future. |
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Post by summers8 on Dec 3, 2017 0:54:06 GMT
Is not my narrative, I just draw facts based on the evidence. MCU fans don t like to here the actual narrative. don’t you think it is ridiculous to say the xmen narrative don’t work with fox? X-men will work anywhere but Disney. WB, Sony, Universal has a better chance to make a better xmen movie than Disney. If you had a clue about xmen , you will know this. If you are referring to X-Men movies the non solo ones that are pg 13 , yet those movies are still too heavy, grounded and serious to pass off as MCU movies. It should be for the real actual fans of xmen to decide what they find good and let’s face it, X-Men fans think MCU movies are not good...not good enough. Netflix or not, there is nothing stopping Disney from giving Daredevil or Punisher their own movies especially when , before they got the rights back they already had movies made. Oh, we forgot that did we? Also do you not also see how generic mcu is. Look at DC movies and TV. DC has two separate worlds for them with two separate characters. We have two versions of the flash, two supermans, two bruce waynes all in their self contained universe in movies and tv. Want to know why? DC is not scared to put all their characters in movies, light or dark.. If DC can put characters like the Joker, Batman, Deathstoke in movies then marvel should be able to put daredevil and the punisher in movies too but they cannot do so because all mcu movies have to be the kid friendly Disney modelled way and that is not right for x-men. That is not my narrative that is fact based on the xmen source material. I have no clue if Multiple man will be low budget, I think it will be a good budget but this kills the debate doesn’t it? Because if the budget is low, it means more serious movie and more drama , more storytelling and less explosions. that already makes it better than all the mcu movies that rely on too much special effects and zero plot. As you can see for yourself, you still are saying it will be comedy when Franco said it will be not and may I just add something, the character of multiple man is more like Legion so it is impossible that it will be comedy , proving once again Disney is not right for xmen movies. Please do continue to call multiple man a comedy, we will rather stick to reality of Franco saying it is more of a psychological movie in the veins of logan. Shall we look at the studios track record of late. Logan, Deadpool, Apocalypse, DOFP, The Wolverine, First Class, all this released in the marvel studio era. Last I checked mcu movies are worse off and have a poorer track record. As for the actor, James Franco has a better body of the work than most of the mcu actors right now. His track record is currently better than Chris Evans, RDJ, Chris Helmsworth, Scarlet Jo and the rest of the actors in mcu who are currently defined by their mcu roles which is nothing to right home about. Maybe you are trying to fool me but I do my research well to know the facts from mcu fans fantasy. The first Thor movie is the best movie of the bunch because it is still Thor not GOTG. In other words, what you mean is.. I hope X-Men makes it into the MCU so X-Men movies can stop embarrassing all the slaps stick comedy MCU movies with their more serious take on comic films. As for New Mutants, when the new mutants trailer was released it started a NEW conversation on how far the comic book genre go? Superhero horror, An individuality type of stories instead of saving the world with city destruction nonsense aka Infinty war? lets see if it works that was the reaction of the new mutants trailer. That was more news worthy and relevant in the film industry and to actual people than the latest MCU formula movie of the week. Oh boy the infinity war trailer, yes I watched it. It has millions of views and what happens now? The trailer had a lot of views but did not get any one to think deeper than what comic book movies are compared to what the new mutants and logan trailer did. The movie comes out, its age of ultron part 3, its silly, its jokey, its all about fun, things explodes, more fart jokes, it makes money and we forget it. That is how infinity war will end in 2018 . All new mutants has to do is be a very good movie and the film will have a bigger impact than infinity war because it means the comic genre will movie forward and be redefined again whereas infinity war will come and go like all marvel movies of the month. See this year already with thor, homecoming and gotg. Ironic it is fox and DC that has the most important comic films of 2017. One for women, the other for the entire genre. Oh so superficial are we, remember when GOTG 2 trailer was breaking records last year? Well look how that turned out in 2017. Logan shitted on all MCU movies, same in 2016 with deadpool and Civil War/Dr Strange, Same in 2014 with DOFP and GOTG/The Winter Solider. That fox track record of X-Men movies will continue in 2018 and that is what mcu fans want to stop. MCU fans want to stop. sorry, won't happen. The Fantastic 4 movie based from Dr Doom’s point of view, you know the guy behind Legion and Fargo. That alone seems to be scaring the MCU fans which means it can be nothing but short of great. In the end, MCU fans should not be upset that X-men outgrew marvel to the point that marvel can’t even make xmen stories in film without needing to dumb it down or making it a complete joke. Sorry. Yes, because everyone is going to see the X-men movies because it is so loved. X-men should be getting all the fans into theaters, but it is not. It's not working. People aren't interested in the movies. The people in charge of the X-men movies have no idea what they are doing. They are basically a step above the DCEU at the present moment. Do you really think that people care about X-men Dark Phoenix? Do you think people care about The New Mutants? What's stopping them is that Marvel Television took claim of the characters. They could have made a Ghost Rider movie, but MT took claim for Agents of SHIELD. They could have made a Luke Cage movie, but MT took claim for Netflix. They could have made a Daredevil movie, but MT took claim for Netflix. Different departments of the same company. It's not like DC that makes multiples of the same character. I mean, is that suppose to be the same Blink and Thunderbird from DoFP? And everyone wants to watch Infinity War. A lot more than wants to watch the New Mutants. What MCU movie had a fart joke? And nobody forgot any of the MCU movies. But everybody is trying their hardest to forget Apocalypse. Everyone is trying their hardest to forget most of the X-men movies. Actually, it doesn't mean that Multiple Man will be serious and dramatic. You know it needs a high budget just for them having multiple James Francos on screen at the same time right? Thor 3 wasn't GotG. It was a Taika Waititi movie. Get it right. Hope is all I see when you talk about New Mutants having to be good to change movies. Keep hoping that it is good. At this point that's all Fox and DC has. That hope. You know that no one is really following the Dr. Doom movie right? It's the same as the Joker movie. Fox screwed up Dr. Doom 3 times. Can't even touch caring when it comes to that movie. Also, getting the guy that made a couple tv shows (forgotten by this point) doesn't fill with hope. Also, a F4 movie based from Doom's perspective? Isn't that like the X-men movies that star Magneto? So, that's why Fox tried to make a MCU movie with Apocalypse without understanding what makes the MCU so good? Ryan Reynolds and Tim Miller get's what makes a MCU movie good. And they were rewarded because of it. Once Fox and Singer and the hardcore Foxilites get past this idea of what it means to make a good comic book movie then they too will have audiences flocking to their movies. And it's not making the movie Rated R. All of you got the wrong idea. Get it right. Last I checked fox track record, xmen movies still make a lot of money for non Disney kids appealing comic films and are very successful. Disney is sweating more about money, i.e their team up movies now and then. I think this is why no one gives a shit about how much thor 3 is making because it is two movies in one. Tear apart dark phoenix so we can get a clean reboot. Could care less about that movie. Sorry, What is stopping marvel television is the Disney branding nothing else, you can deny it all you want but the truth remains unchanged that Disney wants to keep all the darker and heavier stories away from their main team movies. the dumb masses want to watch infinity war not everyone, the dumb masses is the reason marvel is seen as joke in the film industry with no real artistic credibility to their movies. This is the reason many film makers hate MCU movies and some like David Fincher or John Landis have the balls to speak out on how bad MCU movies are. Everyone as in actual real people that respect film in general do not want a monopoly on the genre but wants the xmen world to be explored more and want different comic book movies reasons the xmen movies remains very successful for fox while Disney are like dogs that want to leeach on to xmen so they can have something new to talk about and in the end will be smokes and mirrors i.e Homecoming. Yes, everyone forgot the xmen movies, Logan has already topped many best movie list of 2017. MCU movies were all forgettable and generic. that is what happens when you use the same formula 3 times in one year. The logan reference points to serious and dramatic and same for the character if done right. Sorry mcu fans, simply because mcu does not have the balls to do serious and dramatic does not mean you should pretend nothing is serious and dramatic especially for X-Men that is mostly known for serious and dramatic. Multiple Man is making you shit in your pants. This should expose how terrible mcu movies are. A Taika movie influence heavily by GOTG. I guess GOTG is the go to now for mcu because agents of shield is also now gotg and people wonder why a very good though not great show like Gifted killed all the mcu tv show this year. Say what? Fox screwed up 3 times because they made the wrong decisions anyone can make a good F4 movie the right way and in good faith, which fox did not do especially with the last F4 movie. if fox plans it now, it gives them 3 years to get it right and under a guy like noah halwey that is more likely to be good than a another mcu formula movie in the name of F4. You are right though, fox wanted to make an MCU movie with Apocalypse and that was the reason the film sucked, mcu movies are good for the Disney type of comic films but bad for xmen . when xmen makes a movie like xmen movies i.e DOFP or Logan they shit all over the mcu movies. Whaatttttttt? Did you say ryan and tim knows what makes the mcu good? Say what? Um, well, pal. You know that deadpool was made because ryan and tim hated mcu movies and wanted to do something different to shake up the genre that got so formulaic thanks to MCU movies. Look at the facts here www.cinemablend.com/news/1621390/how-deadpool-pushed-back-against-the-mcu-according-to-the-writerHow Deadpool Pushed Back Against The MCU, According To The Writer Oh gosh, the lies, the lies, the shit mcu fans make up. Funny to add more to the truth ryan does not want xmen to be with Disney because he knows Disney cannot make deadpool and xforce or the basic xmen stuff. Same also for Rob Lid... whatever his name is comicbook.com/marvel/2017/11/07/ryan-reynolds-disney-fox-deal-deadpool/Excuse me while I sneeze out your deadpool/MCU fake connection bullshit. Achoo. Yikes... now this was a good one. Achoo.... sneeze.Do get it right, X-Men is way above the MCU Disney nonsense. Those are the facts. X-Men does better with the Logans, the Deadpools, the Legions , the X2s and the DOFPs. Not some Disney cooperate child friendly comedy nonsense that cannot make those movies. And um, Deadpool is not even the best or a top 3 X-Men movie. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 3, 2017 0:59:36 GMT
Now we play the waiting game.
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