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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 6, 2017 1:02:58 GMT
I've heard quite a lot of them from the argument from design to the cosmological argument and many others, and none of those actually mean that a god exists.
So are you aware of an argument that actually shows a god is necessary for anything we observe in reality?
Can anybody demonstrate that it's even possible for some kind of intelligence to exist prior to the known universe?
If not, then I honestly don't know how anybody accepts it as true that any such thing exists.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 6, 2017 1:03:25 GMT
Why would I argue about my beliefs?
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Post by awhina on Mar 6, 2017 1:05:43 GMT
I've heard quite a lot of them from the argument from design to the cosmological argument and many others, and none of those actually mean that a god exists.
So are you aware of an argument that actually shows a god is necessary for anything we observe in reality? Exactly as CoolJGS said. Why would I argue about it? That is the definition of pointless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 1:07:50 GMT
I've heard quite a lot of them from the argument from design to the cosmological argument and many others, and none of those actually mean that a god exists.
So are you aware of an argument that actually shows a god is necessary for anything we observe in reality? What argument would you listen to? From personal experience I say that you don't listen and that anyone who tries to talk to on the subject is wasting his time.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 6, 2017 1:09:04 GMT
Why would I argue about my beliefs? I'm just asking if you have a rational support for them.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 6, 2017 1:10:16 GMT
What argument would you listen to? From personal experience I say that you don't listen and that anyone who tries to talk to on the subject is wasting his time. Well you haven't presented an argument that demonstrates a god exists.
When you do, I'll accept your answer.
Until then I don't know why you think I would.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 6, 2017 1:11:28 GMT
Exactly as CoolJGS said. Why would I argue about it? That is the definition of pointless. I'm simply asking if there is anything about reality that requires a god to exist the way it does, and if not, why does any believe a god is required, or does anything.
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Post by awhina on Mar 6, 2017 1:47:34 GMT
Exactly as CoolJGS said. Why would I argue about it? That is the definition of pointless. I'm simply asking if there is anything about reality that requires a god to exist the way it does, and if not, why does any believe a god is required, or does anything. My reasons satisfy me but I know from experience that even if God rearranged the constellations to spell out 'God is real' you would not believe but would say that "fundy hucksters' had faked it somehow.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 6, 2017 2:03:26 GMT
Why would I argue about my beliefs? I'm just asking if you have a rational support for them. Of course I do. The problem is you don;t and I can't understand why I would want to convince you.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 6, 2017 2:03:35 GMT
What argument would you listen to? From personal experience I say that you don't listen and that anyone who tries to talk to on the subject is wasting his time. Well you haven't presented an argument that demonstrates a god exists.
When you do, I'll accept your answer.
Until then I don't know why you think I would.
And you haven't answered CoolJGS' question as to why an argument is necessary.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 6, 2017 2:08:35 GMT
My reasons satisfy me but I know from experience that even if God rearranged the constellations to spell out 'God is real' you would not believe but would say that "fundy hucksters' had faked it somehow. If your reasons don't demonstrate a god is required, then why do they satisfy you?
And why are you dismissing that I wouldn't accept a god was real? I accept that there is no edge to the universe, but you think I couldn't accept that there was a god?
Have you ever considered that there isn't one?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 6, 2017 2:10:49 GMT
I'm just asking if you have a rational support for them. Of course I do. The problem is you don;t and I can't understand why I would want to convince you. All of my beliefs are rationally supported, so I don't know what you mean. Please question any of them.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 6, 2017 2:11:59 GMT
And you haven't answered CoolJGS' question as to why an argument is necessary. Because if somebody claims it's true, surely there must be a reason. What is it?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 6, 2017 2:24:55 GMT
And you haven't answered CoolJGS' question as to why an argument is necessary. Because if somebody claims it's true, surely there must be a reason. What is it? Claim=/= belief. This has been explained to you......how many times?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 6, 2017 2:28:54 GMT
Because if somebody claims it's true, surely there must be a reason. What is it? Claim=/= belief. This has been explained to you......how many times? I'm aware of that. You didn't need to explain it at all.
However claiming it is true, is believing it to be true and that is the problem
This has been explained to you..... many many times
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 6, 2017 2:32:25 GMT
Claim=/= belief. This has been explained to you......how many times? I'm aware of that. You didn't need to explain it at all.
However claiming it is true, is believing it to be true and that is the problem
This has been explained to you..... many many times
No. You are becoming a nuisance. After enough of it perhaps posters will complain, and your trolling career will be brought to an and.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 6, 2017 2:34:19 GMT
Of course I do. The problem is you don;t and I can't understand why I would want to convince you. All of my beliefs are rationally support, so I don't know what you mean. Please question any of them. We can't say that for a certainty can we? I have no idea what your beliefs are since you are so interested in mine you don't have time to convince me of yours. People with conviction about something are prone to discuss that over the convictions of others but you can;t do that for some reason which is odd. It make me assume you have no convictions which makes your certainty of them a pretty easy thing to accomplish. And to be clear, you can't help but fail at least as much as me on that front and you seem to lack more interest in doing so than I do. You don't have to worry about me questioning them because I don't care enough about you to ask, but by all means explain it if you wish.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 6, 2017 2:36:22 GMT
I'm aware of that. You didn't need to explain it at all.
However claiming it is true, is believing it to be true and that is the problem
This has been explained to you..... many many times
No. You are becoming a nuisance. After enough of it perhaps posters will complain, and your trolling career will be brought to an and. Yes, people act on beliefs, and if those beliefs are delusional, then you have people acting irrationally.
It's not trolling just because you don't understand, and instead of silencing me, you should listen.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 6, 2017 2:40:53 GMT
No. You are becoming a nuisance. After enough of it perhaps posters will complain, and your trolling career will be brought to an and. Yes, people act on beliefs, and if those beliefs are delusional, then you have people acting irrationally.
It's not trolling just because you don't understand, and instead of silencing me, you should listen.
You'll need a lot more like yourself (I'm talking millions) if you want to enforce the notion that religious belief is delusional, and you're not winning friends or influencing people here.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 6, 2017 2:42:15 GMT
All of my beliefs are rationally support, so I don't know what you mean. Please question any of them. We can't say that for a certainty can we? I have no idea what your beliefs are since you are so interested in mine you don't have time to convince me of yours. People with conviction about something are prone to discuss that over the convictions of others but you can;t do that for some reason which is odd. It make me assume you have no convictions which makes your certainty of them a pretty easy thing to accomplish. And to be clear, you can't help but fail at least as much as me on that front and you seem to lack more interest in doing so than I do. You don't have to worry about me questioning them because I don't care enough about you to ask, but by all means explain it if you wish. I believe in lots of things, and pick any of them, from black holes organizing galaxies, to time being infinite at the speed of light, to stars fusing gas molecules into iron, to evolution, to potential creation models like quantum fluctuation.
Having conviction in a delusion is just called being delusional. That's why I try not to do that.
If any of my ideas failed as much as the idea of a god, guess what? I'd stop believing it.
I'm sure you don't care about me, and that's fine, but I actually care about education and about other people. And it's truly disturbing to watch so many people fall victim to god myths.
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