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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 4, 2017 0:14:25 GMT
Just an FYI, the WW movie was actually announced before Marvel announced Captain Marvel.Wonder Woman movies had been “announced” many times before, and the studio never pulled the trigger. Warner Bros finally pulled the trigger (commited themselves to actual filming) after it became clear that Marvel intended to make a superhero movie with a female lead. Hell, A Cyborg movie was also “announced” along with Wonder Woman. Does anyone really believe a Cyborg movie is a lock to happen? Except that the Wonder Woman movie was officially greenlit on October 2014, and found a director shortly afterwards. That had nothing to do with CM.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 4, 2017 0:36:48 GMT
Wonder Woman movies had been “announced” many times before, and the studio never pulled the trigger. Warner Bros finally pulled the trigger (commited themselves to actual filming) after it became clear that Marvel intended to make a superhero movie with a female lead. Hell, A Cyborg movie was also “announced” along with Wonder Woman. Does anyone really believe a Cyborg movie is a lock to happen? Except that the Wonder Woman movie was officially greenlit on October 2014, and found a director shortly afterwards. That had nothing to do with CM. Anything prior to actual filming is just empty words by a studio that reneged on thier Wonder Woman “announcements” many times before. This time it was different. I’m sure the prospect of a Captain Marvel movie was just a coincidence.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 4, 2017 1:08:10 GMT
Except that the Wonder Woman movie was officially greenlit on October 2014, and found a director shortly afterwards. That had nothing to do with CM. Anything prior to actual filming is just empty words by a studio that reneged on thier Wonder Woman “announcements” many times before. This time it was different. I’m sure the prospect of a Captain Marvel movie was just a coincidence. They also announced Suicide Squad, Justice League, Aquaman, and Shazam! when they announced WW. Does that mean they weren’t actually going to make those movies until Marvel announced GotG2 and IW?
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Post by damngumby on Dec 4, 2017 2:36:55 GMT
Anything prior to actual filming is just empty words by a studio that reneged on thier Wonder Woman “announcements” many times before. This time it was different. I’m sure the prospect of a Captain Marvel movie was just a coincidence. They also announced Suicide Squad, Justice League, Aquaman, and Shazam! when they announced WW. Does that mean they weren’t actually going to make those movies until Marvel announced GotG2 and IW? Were any of those movies in development hell for 20 years with multiple false “announcements” that resulted in nothing? The history of Wonder Woman paints a pretty clear picture that the studio commitment to a female superhero movie was little more than lip service, for years. After the Captain Marvel announcement, you think they suddenly, independently, discovered where they misplaced their backbone? DC has been content to let Marvel take the lead during this golden era of superhero movies ... while they gather up the crumbs with an inferior product.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 4, 2017 3:09:55 GMT
They also announced Suicide Squad, Justice League, Aquaman, and Shazam! when they announced WW. Does that mean they weren’t actually going to make those movies until Marvel announced GotG2 and IW? Were any of those movies in development hell for 20 years with multiple false “announcements” that resulted in nothing? The history of Wonder Woman paints a pretty clear picture that the studio commitment to a female superhero movie was little more than lip service, for years. After the Captain Marvel announcement, you think they suddenly, independently, discovered where they misplaced their backbone? DC has been content to let Marvel take the lead during this golden era of superhero movies ... while they gather up the crumbs with an inferior product. A Justice League movie actually was in development hell for quite some time. Also, if WB didn’t actually plan on making a Wonder Woman movie back in 2014, why exactly did they announce it at a shareholder’s meeting? Are you telling me that WB deliberately lied to their investors just for shits and giggles?
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Post by thenewnexus on Dec 4, 2017 3:28:21 GMT
Its not just WW Flash amd Aquaman were in developmental hell for awhile.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 4, 2017 4:11:52 GMT
Were any of those movies in development hell for 20 years with multiple false “announcements” that resulted in nothing? The history of Wonder Woman paints a pretty clear picture that the studio commitment to a female superhero movie was little more than lip service, for years. After the Captain Marvel announcement, you think they suddenly, independently, discovered where they misplaced their backbone? DC has been content to let Marvel take the lead during this golden era of superhero movies ... while they gather up the crumbs with an inferior product. A Justice League movie actually was in development hell for quite some time. Also, if WB didn’t actually plan on making a Wonder Woman movie back in 2014, why exactly did they announce it at a shareholder’s meeting? Are you telling me that WB deliberately lied to their investors just for shits and giggles? Shareholders are owners of the company so legally the board can't lie to shareholders. If it was intended to be a lie, then they would've just made it a press release (since it's OK to lie to the press). But since they announced it at a shareholders' meeting, then it was 100% truthful (since legally they can't lie to shareholders).
This thread is just another case of an MCU fan not wanting to acknowledge the facts and admit that DC beat MCU on this so he made up some bullshit to try to claim that MCU is superior, but the facts are clearly against him here.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 4, 2017 4:25:47 GMT
This thread is just another case of an DCEU fan not wanting to acknowledge the facts and admit that MCU beat DCEU on this so he made up some bullshit to try to claim that DCEU is superior, but the facts are clearly against him here. [/p][/quote] Fixed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 11:54:03 GMT
If you go back further there was talk about a ‘Wonder Woman’ movie with Lynda Carter in the 1980s and Lynda Carter was on board coming back to play the character but Warner Bros didn’t go through with it most likely ‘cause they were worried it would be successful thanks to the fanbase from the TV show which was getting more viewers in reruns in the 80s on a weekly basis than the ‘Supergirl’ film with Helen Slater got in cinemas. Then there was the whole case with ‘Smallville’ and the writers of ‘Smallville’ asked Warner Bros multiple times if they could use the character ‘cause they wanted to have her on the show and make a spinoff of her but Warner Bros wouldn’t let them use her which was ridiculous since ‘Smallville’ had good versions of Supergirl, Zatanna, Black Canary, Saturn Girl, Stargirl, Mera etc and could have done a good version of Wonder Woman.
Wonder Woman wasn’t the only female character that was screwed over by Warner Bros heads at the time and there was a ‘Supergirl/Linda Danvers’ movie in development with Peter David writing the script and Alicia Silverstone playing Linda and many people working in DC thought it would be a big success and attract Buffy fans with its Horror themes but one of the main heads of Warner Bros stopped it from going through ‘cause they didn’t want an edgier Supergirl on screen than Superman. There were numerous other DC writers that tried to get female lead movies made and Chuck Dixion and Gail Simone have pushed for a ‘Birds of Prey’ movie multiple times to no avail all ‘cause of the heads at Warner Bros refusing to make female lead comic book movies at the time so try and claim that it was DC’s fault and “DC has been content to let Marvel take the lead during this golden era of superhero movies” is a bullshit since it is the heads of Warner Bros that have long prevented DC from doing a lot of things and unlike the MCU DC does not run the movies.
The real reason we got ‘Wonder Woman’ and are getting more female lead movies is ‘cause of Geoff Johns and Geoff Johns has more power over the DCEU now and is working to change a lot of things and it was Geoff was one of the main people behind fixing one of the biggest mistakes in comic book history fixing Barbara Gordon so she could become Batgirl again and he has publicly stated he is a big fan of Batgirl, Black Canary, Raven and Birds of Prey and is a former Supergirl and Witchblade writer. If you go and read some of Geoff John’s interviews he has not only been pushing for more female superhero movies but LGBT representation too and looking at the DCEU movies we have
Wonder Woman Batgirl Harley Quinn Gotham City Sirens Wonder Woman 2
And Geoff Johns has announced there are big plans for more female superhero movies. 4 movies in and the DCEU have had their first female lead movie and have 4 more officially in development and while I would prefer to see other female characters get movies before Harley Quinn as I mentioned in another thread the one great thing the DCEU has done is bring light to female DC characters and I fail to see where they are copying from Marvel with that part since I don’t recall movies of Spider Woman, Shanna the She Devil, She Hulk and Ms Marvel being announced. It is Sony who announced they have plans to use Spider Woman and more female characters in the Spiderverse after ‘Silver and Black’ which will most likely include SpiderGwen and ‘Silver and Black’ is coming out before ‘Captain Marvel’ in February 2019 as confirmed again by the director last month
Let’s not forgot Margot Robbie has confirmed on the radio this week Harley Quinn will be on screen again in 2018 and she also officially announced ‘Suicide Squad 2’ is coming out in 2019 so if the Harley solo movie (which is going to feature a lot of other DC female characters) comes out next year that puts the MCU two behind the DCEU and this came straight out of Margot’s mouth AFTER ‘Justice League’ and Margot is the executive producer of the solo 'Harley Quinn' movie which is said to be a direct adaption of 'Kiss Kiss Bang Stab.'
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Post by sostie on Dec 4, 2017 12:11:05 GMT
Development began in 1996 and languished in development hell for nearly 20 years. Well seeing DC became part of Warners in 1990, why did it take nearly 27 years to finally make Wonder Woman
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Post by damngumby on Dec 4, 2017 12:16:11 GMT
Are you telling me that WB deliberately lied to their investors just for shits and giggles? When you’ve dicked around with a movie for 20 years, you need to show the shareholders some indication that you intend do something with it. Since shareholders read the newspaper, announcing to the press or at a shareholders meeting makes little difference. WB had lied about a Wonder Woman movie many times before. There is no reason to think that this time was any different. I’m sure they had their excuses all in order before they made the announcement. Do you think they might have “lied” about making a Cyborg movie, or are you claiming that it is a 100% certainty because it was announced at a shareholders meeting?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 12:24:31 GMT
Development began in 1996 and languished in development hell for nearly 20 years. Well seeing DC became part of Warners in 1990, why did it take nearly 27 years to finally make Wonder Woman Actually they were under Warner before then. DC were owned by Warner Communication which spun off their original owners, Kinney National Company in the early 70s and Warner Communications merged with Time Inc in 1989 to become Time Warner and DC become a property of Time Warner. Alexander and Ilya Salkind most likely also played a part in not having a Wonder Woman movie. From what I read the Salkinds had the movie rights for not only Superman and Supergirl - which they ran into the ground but a number of other DC characters which they never ended up doing anything with.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 4, 2017 12:30:10 GMT
Are you telling me that WB deliberately lied to their investors just for shits and giggles? When you’ve dicked around with a movie for 20 years, you need to show the shareholders some indication that you intend do something with it. Since shareholders read the newspaper, announcing to the press or at a shareholders meeting makes little difference. WB had lied about a Wonder Woman movie many times before. There is no reason to think that this time was any different. I’m sure they had their excuses all in order before they made the announcement. Do you think they might have “lied” about making a Cyborg movie, or are you claiming that it is a 100% certainty because it was announced at a shareholders meeting? The Cyborg movie may not get made now, but there’s no reason to assume they weren’t planning on making one back when they announced it in 2014, before the fallout from BvS. Again, your insistence that they wouldn’t have made the WW movie even when they announced it in 2014 is unfounded and entirely speculative. Keep in mind, Michelle MacLaren was hired to direct the movie one month after it was announced.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 4, 2017 14:23:22 GMT
your insistence that they wouldn’t have made the WW movie even when they announced it in 2014 is unfounded and entirely speculative. Based on their past performance, speculation is certainly "founded".
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 4, 2017 15:27:57 GMT
your insistence that they wouldn’t have made the WW movie even when they announced it in 2014 is unfounded and entirely speculative. Based on their past performance, speculation is certainly "founded". Not really. Studios generally don’t announce a movie with a release date and everything unless they plan on actually making it.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 4, 2017 16:27:12 GMT
Based on their past performance, speculation is certainly "founded". Not really. Studios generally don’t announce a movie with a release date and everything unless they plan on actually making it. We're not talking "generally". We're talking specifically about how Warner Bros has handled Wonder Woman over the years. Previous announcements had projected release dates and nothing came of them. WB had a chronic case of cold feet when it came to an expensive female superhero movie. Couple that with their tendency to only jump in the water after someone else had tested it and the logical conclusion to all this is obvious. The alternative is to think that they suddenly had an epiphany one day ... that they should deviate from their standard mode of operation and go out on a limb on a project that had festered for 20 years ... and the Marvel announcement had nothing to do with it. It takes a great deal of gullibility to buy that story.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 4, 2017 16:59:39 GMT
Not really. Studios generally don’t announce a movie with a release date and everything unless they plan on actually making it. We're not talking "generally". We're talking specifically about how Warner Bros has handled Wonder Woman over the years. Previous announcements had projected release dates and nothing came of them. WB had a chronic case of cold feet when it came to an expensive female superhero movie. Couple that with their tendency to only jump in the water after someone else had tested it and the logical conclusion to all this is obvious. The alternative is to think that they suddenly had an epiphany one day ... that they should deviate from their standard mode of operation and go out on a limb on a project that had festered for 20 years ... and the Marvel announcement had nothing to do with it. It takes a great deal of gullibility to buy that story. I don’t recall there ever being exact release dates for the previous attempts at a Wonder Woman movie. Even the Joss Whedon one (which they actually were trying to get made) didn’t have one as far as I recall. Also, the 2017 WW film already had its lead actress cast when it was announced back in 2014, and it was part of an expansive slate of movies that again, WB announced at a shareholder’s meeting. You don’t just announce something to investors if you have no intention of actually making it. That would be a hillariously pointless and stupid thing to do.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 4, 2017 18:03:43 GMT
You don’t just announce something to investors if you have no intention of actually making it. That would be a hillariously pointless and stupid thing to do. Wait a minute ... you do know we're talking about Hollywood. Right? The streets are littered with investors who got screwed by the studios. So now the story has evolved into ... an epiphany to deviate from their standard mode of operation ... go out on a limb on a project that had festered for 20 years ... the studio execs suddenly turn over a new leaf and become honest-abe boy scouts who would never mislead an investor. I suppose all that could happen ...... in Fantasyland.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 4, 2017 18:12:00 GMT
You don’t just announce something to investors if you have no intention of actually making it. That would be a hillariously pointless and stupid thing to do. Wait a minute ... you do know we're talking about Hollywood. Right? The streets are littered with investors who got screwed by the studios. So now the story has evolved into ... an epiphany to deviate from their standard mode of operation ... go out on a limb on a project that had festered for 20 years ... the studio execs suddenly turn over a new leaf and become honest-abe boy scouts who would never mislead an investor. I suppose all that could happen ...... in Fantasyland. Who said anything about “turning over a new leaf”? Making a Wonder Woman movie does not require some sort of groundbreaking epiphany. The Wonder Woman movie was announced when it was because by that point, the DC shared universe was going full force. Wonder Woman had already been cast, she was already set to make her film debut in BvS, and she was just one of many characters to get her own film. There was no “epiphany” involved in it.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 4, 2017 20:17:16 GMT
Wait a minute ... you do know we're talking about Hollywood. Right? The streets are littered with investors who got screwed by the studios. So now the story has evolved into ... an epiphany to deviate from their standard mode of operation ... go out on a limb on a project that had festered for 20 years ... the studio execs suddenly turn over a new leaf and become honest-abe boy scouts who would never mislead an investor. I suppose all that could happen ...... in Fantasyland. Who said anything about “turning over a new leaf”? Making a Wonder Woman movie does not require some sort of groundbreaking epiphany. "Turning over a new leaf" is referring to the sudden bout of honesty among Hollywood execs that your story requires. Plenty of actors have been cast in a movie that never saw the light of day. Means nothing. Non-essential scenes that could easily have been dropped. Probably should have been dropped, since she managed to upstage the two leads. Don't hold your breath for half of them.
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