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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 7, 2017 18:46:19 GMT
I did not say that the conflict was started by Ares. I said he helped to orchestrate it. That said, it might be more accurate to say he exacerbated it. Any way you say it, Diana ultimately has to police one of her own kind who helped cause the destruction she initially judges mankind to be singularly responsible for. Well have to agree to disagree with regards to your comparisons of Wonder Woman and Superman the Movie. The point was that Diana initially assumed Ares was responsible for the war, only to realize that it was humanity’s own doing. This made her realize that things aren’t as black and white as she thought, which was a big deal for her character. For someone who was supposed to be thousands of years old BEFORE she left the Island, that's incredibly naïve. Even Thor and Loki had more sense and they're only a little over 1000 years old. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 7, 2017 19:04:03 GMT
I haven’t seen any real discussion about Captain Marvel just yet. People are too busy talking about IW at the moment. You haven't seen the "who's a skrull" discussions? Those came from Captain Marvel. And I'm with a quick search you can find discussions on Fury's eye and the casting of Mar-Vell You can find discussions about the Aquaman movie too. I’ve seen discussions about how they’re going to talk underwater in the film. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 7, 2017 19:04:27 GMT
The point was that Diana initially assumed Ares was responsible for the war, only to realize that it was humanity’s own doing. This made her realize that things aren’t as black and white as she thought, which was a big deal for her character. For someone who was supposed to be thousands of years old BEFORE she left the Island, that's incredibly naïve. Even Thor and Loki had more sense and they're only a little over 1000 years old. She was naive. She lived a sheltered life. That was the point. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 7, 2017 19:17:10 GMT
For someone who was supposed to be thousands of years old BEFORE she left the Island, that's incredibly naïve. Even Thor and Loki had more sense and they're only a little over 1000 years old. She was naive. She lived a sheltered life. That was the point. Yeah, but for someone thousands of years old? If she was really in her 20s I could buy it but apparently she was supposed to be like 3000 years old when she left.
Thor and Loki were sort of sheltered too.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 7, 2017 19:17:25 GMT
You haven't seen the "who's a skrull" discussions? Those came from Captain Marvel. And I'm with a quick search you can find discussions on Fury's eye and the casting of Mar-Vell You can find discussions about the Aquaman movie too. I’ve seen discussions about how they’re going to talk underwater in the film. Again, Skrulls, Fury, Mar-Vell, Kree-Skrull War, The time period it takes place in, How Carol is going to show up in modern times and where she's been, these are all discussions being held about Marvel and the film isn't even being shot yet.
Aquaman is done filming and,,,,,,,,,,,, maybe there's a discussion about how they talk? That's it?
It's just not comparable.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 7, 2017 19:27:17 GMT
You can find discussions about the Aquaman movie too. I’ve seen discussions about how they’re going to talk underwater in the film. Again, Skrulls, Fury, Mar-Vell, Kree-Skrull War, The time period it takes place in, How Carol is going to show up in modern times and where she's been, these are all discussions being held about Marvel and the film isn't even being shot yet.
Aquaman is done filming and,,,,,,,,,,,, maybe there's a discussion about how they talk? That's it?
It's just not comparable.
I’ve hardly seen any mainstream discussions about any of that stuff. The movie hasn’t even been trending on social media. It’s all been about IW. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 7, 2017 19:28:13 GMT
She was naive. She lived a sheltered life. That was the point. Yeah, but for someone thousands of years old? If she was really in her 20s I could buy it but apparently she was supposed to be like 3000 years old when she left.
Thor and Loki were sort of sheltered too.
She lived on a peaceful island her entire life, and the only knowledge she had of the outside world was what her mother told her. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 7, 2017 19:31:37 GMT
Again, Skrulls, Fury, Mar-Vell, Kree-Skrull War, The time period it takes place in, How Carol is going to show up in modern times and where she's been, these are all discussions being held about Marvel and the film isn't even being shot yet.
Aquaman is done filming and,,,,,,,,,,,, maybe there's a discussion about how they talk? That's it?
It's just not comparable.
I’ve hardly seen any mainstream discussions about any of that stuff. The movie hasn’t even been trending on social media. It’s all been about IW. Ok, well those have been discussions. I don't know if you follow channels like Collider, etc, but those have all been topics, and you just really hear nothing about Aquaman. I'm just saying there's a difference, and the point was, Aquaman isn't saving DC. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 7, 2017 19:32:49 GMT
Yeah, but for someone thousands of years old? If she was really in her 20s I could buy it but apparently she was supposed to be like 3000 years old when she left.
Thor and Loki were sort of sheltered too.
She lived on a peaceful island her entire life, and the only knowledge she had of the outside world was what her mother told her. And in thousands of years she never thought about the Outside World or wanting to leave? Her attitude fits someone Gadot's actual age who'd been sheltered their whole life, but not someone THAT old.
And if she was only Gadot's Age then her whole "Daughter of Zeus" origin doesn't work. It just falls apart either way.
They should've just said she WAS only in her 20s, but it's because time works differently on Themyscira.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 7, 2017 19:35:58 GMT
I’ve hardly seen any mainstream discussions about any of that stuff. The movie hasn’t even been trending on social media. It’s all been about IW. Ok, well those have been discussions. I don't know if you follow channels like Collider, etc, but those have all been topics, and you just really hear nothing about Aquaman. I'm just saying there's a difference, and the point was, Aquaman isn't saving DC. There’s discussions about the movie here: link, and there’ll be more when the trailer hits. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 7, 2017 19:37:32 GMT
Ok, well those have been discussions. I don't know if you follow channels like Collider, etc, but those have all been topics, and you just really hear nothing about Aquaman. I'm just saying there's a difference, and the point was, Aquaman isn't saving DC. There’s discussions about the movie here: link, and there’ll be more when the trailer hits. I never said nobody had discussed. What are you talking about? |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 7, 2017 19:37:50 GMT
She lived on a peaceful island her entire life, and the only knowledge she had of the outside world was what her mother told her. And in thousands of years she never thought about the Outside World or wanting to leave? Her attitude fits someone Gadot's actual age who'd been sheltered their whole life, but not someone THAT old.
And if she was only Gadot's Age then her whole "Daughter of Zeus" origin doesn't work. It just falls apart either way.
They should've just said she WAS only in her 20s, but it's because time works differently on Themyscira.
She was trained by her aunt and told stories by her mother, but she knew very little about the outside world. Again, the point of the film was that she starts off naive and sheltered, but comes to realize that the world of man is more complex than she thought. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 7, 2017 19:39:21 GMT
There’s discussions about the movie here: link, and there’ll be more when the trailer hits. I never said nobody had discussed. What are talking about? You claimed that AM had virtually zero talk at the moment compared to CM (a film that few are talking about at the moment, given that they’re too busy discussing IW) so I provided an example pointing to the contrary. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 7, 2017 19:40:51 GMT
I did not say that the conflict was started by Ares. I said he helped to orchestrate it. That said, it might be more accurate to say he exacerbated it. Any way you say it, Diana ultimately has to police one of her own kind who helped cause the destruction she initially judges mankind to be singularly responsible for. Well have to agree to disagree with regards to your comparisons of Wonder Woman and Superman the Movie. The point was that Diana initially assumed Ares was responsible for the war, only to realize that it was humanity’s own doing. This made her realize that things aren’t as black and white as she thought, which was a big deal for her character. So what is Ares' role in all of this? Is he or is he not somehow responsible for starting or perpetuating World War I in the DCEU? Now that I think about it, it doesn't really matter, it wouldn't change my opinion of the film one way or the other. I'm glad you liked the movie and the character unfortunately, I can't say that I felt the same. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 7, 2017 19:42:25 GMT
I never said nobody had discussed. What are talking about? You claimed that AM had virtually zero talk at the moment compared to CM (a film that few are talking about at the moment, given that they’re too busy discussing IW) so I provided an example pointing to the contrary. I said it was clear that CM had more talk than AM by virtue of the fact that there are more topics related to it being discussed. Your example doesn't contradict that. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 7, 2017 19:44:21 GMT
The point was that Diana initially assumed Ares was responsible for the war, only to realize that it was humanity’s own doing. This made her realize that things aren’t as black and white as she thought, which was a big deal for her character. So what is Ares' role in all of this? Is he or is he not somehow responsible for starting or perpetuating World War I in the DCEU? Now that I think about it, it doesn't really matter, it wouldn't change my opinion of the film one way or the other. I'm glad you liked the movie and the character unfortunately, I can't say that I felt the same. Ares’ role was providing inspiration for some of the weapons that Ludendorff and Maru worked on, and pushing for an armistice that he believed would’ve ultimately made things worse, but again, the war wasn’t started by him, and killing him wasn’t what ended it. He certainly wasn’t the reason that Ludendorff was plotting to kill a bunch of people in London. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 7, 2017 19:46:19 GMT
You claimed that AM had virtually zero talk at the moment compared to CM (a film that few are talking about at the moment, given that they’re too busy discussing IW) so I provided an example pointing to the contrary. I said it was clear that CM had more talk than AM by virtue of the fact that there are more topics related to it being discussed. Your example doesn't contradict that. Where are those topics being discussed? I haven’t seen any extensive mainstream topics regarding the movie. People talking about the movie on message boards doesn’t mean it’s being heavily talked about right now. Again, IW is currently the talk of the town. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 7, 2017 19:47:22 GMT
So what is Ares' role in all of this? Is he or is he not somehow responsible for starting or perpetuating World War I in the DCEU? Now that I think about it, it doesn't really matter, it wouldn't change my opinion of the film one way or the other. I'm glad you liked the movie and the character unfortunately, I can't say that I felt the same. Ares’ role was providing inspiration for some of the weapons that Ludendorff and Maru worked on, and pushing for an armistice that he believed would’ve ultimately made things worse, but again, the war wasn’t started by him, and killing him wasn’t what ended it. He certainly wasn’t the reason that Ludendorff was plotting to kill a bunch of people in London. Good thing he wasn't working for the Germans. Or wasn't living in America. Diana would have never accidentally run into him. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 7, 2017 19:49:29 GMT
I said it was clear that CM had more talk than AM by virtue of the fact that there are more topics related to it being discussed. Your example doesn't contradict that. Where are those topics being discussed? I haven’t seen any extensive mainstream topics regarding the movie. People talking about the movie on message boards doesn’t mean it’s being heavily talked about right now. Again, IW is currently the talk of the town. Collider, Emergency Awesome, Kinda Culty, and other youtube outlets among other things.
Obviously IW is more talked about, duh. Actually that was part of my point, is that CM has more talk before it even starts filming than AM does after it's wrapped. I never said it was trending, I never said it was the primary conversation. I said it was more than AM.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 7, 2017 19:53:11 GMT
Where are those topics being discussed? I haven’t seen any extensive mainstream topics regarding the movie. People talking about the movie on message boards doesn’t mean it’s being heavily talked about right now. Again, IW is currently the talk of the town. Collider, Emergency Awesome, Kinda Culty, and other youtube outlets among other things.
Obviously IW is more talked about, duh. Actually that was part of my point, is that CM has more talk before it even starts filming than AM does after it's wrapped. I never said it was trending, I never said it was the primary conversation. I said it was more than AM.
There was plenty of talk about AM before it started filming too, and there will be a lot more talk once the first trailer hits. Speaking of which, the movie is actually trending right now. |
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