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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 9, 2017 15:43:13 GMT
Simple. The Bat Universe. Go with Geoff Johns' plan and give DC fans what they been wanting for years and they will wipe the MCU off the map very easily. I have no doubt about it. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 3:34:26 GMT
Simple. The Bat Universe. Go with Geoff Johns' plan and give DC fans what they been wanting for years and they will wipe the MCU off the map very easily. I have no doubt about it. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
You fail to remember how many people boycotted the Nolan movies for not having the Bat Family in them which was something a lot of DC writers even acknowledged ‘cause the numbers were so large they could have swayed box office figures big time and those same people boycotted ‘Batman vs Superman’ for the exact same reason. While the Nolan movies were being made and DC were asking fans what superhero they thought deserved to have a movie the most Nightwing was winning 4 years in a row. Dick Grayson is more popular than the majority of DC and Marvel superheroes and a little fun fact is when you combine the all time sales of all the Dick Grayson Robin/Nightwing/Grayson/Teen Titans comic books his sales are higher than any Marvel superhero and almost rival Batman's. Marv Wolfman (One of the creators of Nightwing) said in an interview a few years back one of the reasons Warner Bros was keeping Nightwing off screen was the character had become so popular they were worried he would become more popular than Batman.
Dick is very popular and unlike others a movie about Dick will not flop, it will rise!!   
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 3:39:22 GMT
Laugh now but when ‘The Batman’ movie with the Bat Family outsells all of the movies in the DCEU and becomes the biggest Batman movie ever made I will be here to say I told you so.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 11, 2017 3:57:24 GMT
Laugh now but when ‘The Batman’ movie with the Bat Family outsells all of the movies in the DCEU and becomes the biggest Batman movie ever made I will be here to say I told you so.
DC has damaged the Batman brand...again....with these last few misfires. People aren't going to be as willing to go see Batman now, unless Reeves sells out and openly says "Okay, this film has NOTHING to do with the rest of the DCEU because the whole thing is a failure." |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 3:59:53 GMT
Laugh now but when ‘The Batman’ movie with the Bat Family outsells all of the movies in the DCEU and becomes the biggest Batman movie ever made I will be here to say I told you so.
What difference does it make? How does that wipe the MCU off the map?
'Cause it will change the entire slate going forward. It has been said multiple times by Warner Bros employees if the DCEU failed a Bat Universe will be the next path they take but most Bat Family fans know the Bat Universe should have been first before all the other movies 'cause it is the main reason DC has stayed on top with all time sales all these decades. The success of a 'Batman/ Bat Family' movie could guarantee movies of not only Batgirl and Nightwing but Birds of Prey, Teen Titans, Batwoman, Red Hood and the Outlaws, Black Canary, Green Arrow, We Are Robin, Catwoman, Deathstroke, Secret Six, Gotham By Midnight, Gotham Academy, Batman Beyond, Midnighter etc putting the DC movies on a very different and clear path going forward - one that brings back a lot of real longtime fans who have boycotted the movies for the past decade. It won't wipe the MCU off the map (I was teasing with that  ) but it will put DC back on the path of success with movies very different than Marvel.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 4:02:17 GMT
What difference does it make? How does that wipe the MCU off the map?
'Cause it will change the entire slate going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 4:13:05 GMT
Laugh now but when ‘The Batman’ movie with the Bat Family outsells all of the movies in the DCEU and becomes the biggest Batman movie ever made I will be here to say I told you so.
DC has damaged the Batman brand...again....with these last few misfires. People aren't going to be as willing to go see Batman now, unless Reeves sells out and openly says "Okay, this film has NOTHING to do with the rest of the DCEU because the whole thing is a failure."  |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 11, 2017 4:15:16 GMT
'Cause it will change the entire slate going forward.
No it won't. This is just more territorial pissings amongst DC fans. "My favorite corner of the multiverse will save us! I swear it!" The extended Bat family won't look much different than the pretenders that meddled in Bale's business in the Dark Knight. It never made sense to me that Batman would sanction the extension of his brand. The Batman is born of trauma and pain not thrill seeking and adventuring. What will make Batgirl resonate? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 4:17:17 GMT
'Cause it will change the entire slate going forward.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 4:34:13 GMT
If it is a success it will and it will also show Warner Bros executives something DC employees already know which is the Bat Family are the big sellers. Holding a movie of 'Teen Titans' (their biggest team series) off in favour of one of their lesser known series, 'Suicide Squad' was one of the biggest mistakes from day one. A movie of 'Teen Titans' with the right writers would have slaughtered 'Suicide Squad.' Still don't see how that buries the MCU
Batman isn't bigger than Marvel. You understand that right?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 4:36:15 GMT
This is just more territorial pissings amongst DC fans. "My favorite corner of the multiverse will save us! I swear it!" The extended Bat family won't look much different than the pretenders that meddled in Bale's business in the Dark Knight. It never made sense to me that Batman would sanction the extension of his brand. The Batman is born of trauma and pain not thrill seeking and adventuring. What will make Batgirl resonate?
The 'Bat Family' made Batman a far more mature character and a leader and gave him something worth living and fighting for as the Joker pointed out in 'Death of the Family.' They are his greatest strength and his greatest weakness at the same time. The extension of Batman's brand came 'cause the characters become so popular the writers kept bringing them back and many of them warranted their own series and superheroes like Batgirl, Nightwing, the Spoiler, Orphan, Red Robin, Batwoman, Clayface, Red Hood Bluebird, Batwing, Hawkfire etc
With 'Batgirl' being based on Gail Simone's Post Oracle New 52 series which Gail confirmed on Twitter the 'Batgirl' movie will be one of the darkest female superhero movies we have had and features an older and more experienced Barbara Gordon taking on the role of Batgirl again after spending years in a wheelchair due to the events of 'the Killing Joke.' Barbara while haunted by visions of being raped, tortured and paralysed by the Joker comes back a far better fighter who can take down up to 4 people at the same time and is second only to Batman in fighting skills and she finds Joker and beats the shit out of him. Only her psychotic brother, Jim Gordon Jr stops her Batgirl comes very close to doing the one thing Batman could never do 'cause her hatred for the Joker is far more personal. 
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 4:44:56 GMT
If it is a success it will and it will also show Warner Bros executives something DC employees already know which is the Bat Family are the big sellers. Holding a movie of 'Teen Titans' (their biggest team series) off in favour of one of their lesser known series, 'Suicide Squad' was one of the biggest mistakes from day one. A movie of 'Teen Titans' with the right writers would have slaughtered 'Suicide Squad.' Still don't see how that buries the MCU
Batman isn't bigger than Marvel. You understand that right?
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 11, 2017 4:50:25 GMT
Still don't see how that buries the MCU
Batman isn't bigger than Marvel. You understand that right?
I dunno, I think you're overstating it. Some of those connections are a "6 Degrees of Separation" thing and haven't been relevant connections in year. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 5:19:27 GMT
Still don't see how that buries the MCU
Batman isn't bigger than Marvel. You understand that right?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 11, 2017 16:51:40 GMT
This is just more territorial pissings amongst DC fans. "My favorite corner of the multiverse will save us! I swear it!" The extended Bat family won't look much different than the pretenders that meddled in Bale's business in the Dark Knight. It never made sense to me that Batman would sanction the extension of his brand. The Batman is born of trauma and pain not thrill seeking and adventuring. What will make Batgirl resonate?
The 'Bat Family' made Batman a far more mature character and a leader and gave him something worth living and fighting for as the Joker pointed out in 'Death of the Family.' They are his greatest strength and his greatest weakness at the same time. The extension of Batman's brand came 'cause the characters become so popular the writers kept bringing them back and many of them warranted their own series and superheroes like Batgirl, Nightwing, the Spoiler, Orphan, Red Robin, Batwoman, Clayface, Red Hood Bluebird, Batwing, Hawkfire etc
With 'Batgirl' being based on Gail Simone's Post Oracle New 52 series which Gail confirmed on Twitter the 'Batgirl' movie will be one of the darkest female superhero movies we have had and features an older and more experienced Barbara Gordon taking on the role of Batgirl again after spending years in a wheelchair due to the events of 'the Killing Joke.' Barbara while haunted by visions of being raped, tortured and paralysed by the Joker comes back a far better fighter who can take down up to 4 people at the same time and is second only to Batman in fighting skills and she finds Joker and beats the shit out of him. Only her psychotic brother, Jim Gordon Jr stops her Batgirl comes very close to doing the one thing Batman could never do 'cause her hatred for the Joker is far more personal.
Apologies if I offended here. Clearly, the Bat-Family is an integral part of the Batman mythos beloved by many fans. I can't say that I share that view but, it is possible that I haven't been exposed to the right stories. I will say this - if WB is intent on extending the Batman brand, Batgirl seems like a logical place to start. That said, is Batgirl really second only to Batman in fighting prowess. How and where was she trained? Shouldn't Deathstroke be her better as a fighter as he is equal to Batman in skill? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 11:50:57 GMT
Apologies if I offended hear. Clearly, the Bat-Family is an integral part of the Batman mythos beloved by many fans. I can't say that I share that view but, it is possible that I haven't been exposed to the right stories. I will say this - if WB is intent on extending the Batman brand, Batgirl seems like a logical place to start. 
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 11:55:20 GMT
No. You are right. He isn't BUT Batman with the addition of the Bat Family (Batgirl, Nightwing, the Spoiler, Orphan, Red Robin, Batwoman, Red Hood, Clayface, Bluebird, Hawkfire and Catwoman) and the addition of Birds of Prey, Teen Titans, Red Hood and the Outlaws, Secret Six, Deathstroke etc is. As I have said before the Bat Universe is the biggest selling entity in comic book history with over 1.5 billion sales worldwide and has yet to be played out on screen. DC have never actually had their biggest seller on screen. I dunno, I think you're overstating it. Some of those connections are a "6 Degrees of Separation" thing and haven't been relevant connections in year.
‘Teen Titans’s is DC’s biggest selling team series with higher sales than Justice League, Birds of Prey, JSA, Legion of Superheroes, Gen 13, Wildcats, Suicide Squad, Secret Six etc, That’s not overstating, it is facts which is written in books by people who have recorded the sales. Despite having Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern among others ‘Justice League’ simply wasn’t the draw ‘Teen Titans’ was and a very large part of that is ‘cause of Dick Grayson who may have started off as Batman’s sidekick but become one of the biggest selling and most popular superheroes of all time transcending the sales of all the other superheroes that debuted in their own series including the Flash, Green Lantern and Aquaman. Batgirl is DC’s third biggest selling female superhero of all time and according to DC with the combined sales of Birds of Prey which she is the leader off she levels Wonder Woman in sales and there are no 2 male or female superhero under DC now (apart from Supergirl who should have already have a movie) that is more worthy of a movie than Batgirl and ‘Nightwing’ Both 'Batgirl' and 'Nightwing' will be bigger hits than 'Aquaman', 'Shazam', 'Flashpoint' and 'Justice League.' Watch and see. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 12:10:30 GMT
No. You are right. He isn't BUT Batman with the addition of the Bat Family (Batgirl, Nightwing, the Spoiler, Orphan, Red Robin, Batwoman, Red Hood, Clayface, Bluebird, Hawkfire and Catwoman) and the addition of Birds of Prey, Teen Titans, Red Hood and the Outlaws, Secret Six, Deathstroke etc is. As I have said before the Bat Universe is the biggest selling entity in comic book history with over 1.5 billion sales worldwide and has yet to be played out on screen. DC have never actually had their biggest seller on screen. Yeah, I mean I really hate to tell you, but those aren't big sellers.
Most comic books and novels that receive on screen adaptions also get an increase in comic book and novel sales like the James Bond novels for example and novels that were minor hits when they first came out have gone on to become number 1 best sellers thanks to successful movie adaptions. This is something that has been well documented with sales but the same can’t be said with Marvel comic books which despite the success of the ‘MCU’ hasn’t launched their comic book series over the all-time sales of the Bat Family. As popular as Iron Man has been on the big screen Iron Man’s all time sales in the main field don’t even touch those of 'Witchblade' or ‘Witchblade’ for example and that is with ‘Iron Man’ being around for at least 30 years more than ‘Witchblade’ having all these movie adaptions. The only reason the DCEU hasn't been more successful is ‘cause Warner Bros keep making all the wrong choices and using inexperienced Hollywood screenwriters who aren’t on the same level as DC's writers to write their movies. There is a good reason why ‘Arkham Asylum’ and ‘Arkham City’ have been hailed by not just fans but many comic book writers as the greatest on screen Batman adaption of all time and that is ‘cause of Paul Dini who is a far better writer than anybody who has wrote a superhero movie in the past 20 years . 
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 12, 2017 12:37:24 GMT
Yeah, I mean I really hate to tell you, but those aren't big sellers.
Most comic books and novels that receive on screen adaptions also get an increase in comic book and novel sales like the James Bond novels for example and novels that were minor hits when they first came out have gone on to become number 1 best sellers thanks to successful movie adaptions. This is something that has been well documented with sales but the same can’t be said with Marvel comic books which despite the success of the ‘MCU’ hasn’t launched their comic book series over the all-time sales of the Bat Family. As popular as Iron Man has been on the big screen Iron Man’s all time sales in the main field don’t even touch those of 'Witchblade' or ‘Witchblade’ for example and that is with ‘Iron Man’ being around for at least 30 years more than ‘Witchblade’ having all these movie adaptions. The only reason the DCEU hasn't been more successful is ‘cause Warner Bros keep making all the wrong choices and using inexperienced Hollywood screenwriters who aren’t on the same level as DC's writers to write their movies. There is a good reason why ‘Arkham Asylum’ and ‘Arkham City’ have been hailed by not just fans but many comic book writers as the greatest on screen Batman adaption of all time and that is ‘cause of Paul Dini who is a far better writer than anybody who has wrote a superhero movie in the past 20 years .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 12:50:39 GMT
Actually they are since ‘Spider-Man’ only has 360 million sales worldwide and ‘The Avengers’ only have 125-135 million sales worldwide in the main field. ‘Spider-Man’ and ‘The Avengers’ only advantage over the Bat Family has been being translated onto screen and when you minus the movies the Bat Universe reigns supreme over everything else in all time sales. If the Bat Family experience the same success they already have in the main field on screen which is very likely that 1.5 billion in all time comic books could turn into a lot more worldwide and crush everything else and then the Bat Family will reign supreme on screen just like they have in all time sales in comics.
Most comic books and novels that receive on screen adaptions also get an increase in comic book and novel sales like the James Bond novels for example and novels that were minor hits when they first came out have gone on to become number 1 best sellers thanks to successful movie adaptions. This is something that has been well documented with sales but the same can’t be said with Marvel comic books which despite the success of the ‘MCU’ hasn’t launched their comic book series over the all-time sales of the Bat Family. As popular as Iron Man has been on the big screen Iron Man’s all time sales in the main field don’t even touch those of 'Witchblade' or ‘Witchblade’ for example and that is with ‘Iron Man’ being around for at least 30 years more than ‘Witchblade’ having all these movie adaptions. The only reason the DCEU hasn't been more successful is ‘cause Warner Bros keep making all the wrong choices and using inexperienced Hollywood screenwriters who aren’t on the same level as DC's writers to write their movies. There is a good reason why ‘Arkham Asylum’ and ‘Arkham City’ have been hailed by not just fans but many comic book writers as the greatest on screen Batman adaption of all time and that is ‘cause of Paul Dini who is a far better writer than anybody who has wrote a superhero movie in the past 20 years .
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