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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 7, 2017 20:40:49 GMT
than anything I saw in Justice League. They're still awesome five years on... Hee hee hee...
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Post by scabab on Dec 7, 2017 21:47:43 GMT
Well the final big scale battle sequence between the Heroes and the fodder army was done better in The Avengers movies.
I'd take the Justice League's fight with Superman over Thor's fairly mediocre fight with Hulk and maaaaybe above Thor's fight with Iron Man as well.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 7, 2017 21:58:24 GMT
than anything I saw in Justice League. They're still awesome five years on... Hee hee hee... I loved the action Avengers too. And maybe they do wreck the ones in Justice League, maybe. But every action/fight sequence in Man of Steel destroys Avengers. And even the one at the end of BvS is right up there. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 7, 2017 22:14:13 GMT
than anything I saw in Justice League. They're still awesome five years on... Hee hee hee... I loved the action Avengers too. And maybe they do wreck the ones in Justice League, maybe. But every action/fight sequence in Man of Steel destroys Avengers. And even the one at the end of BvS is right up there. I'll give it to you - the one on one combat in Man of Steel was breathtaking in certain places but, I wouldn't say it "destroyed" the Avengers. The way the camera moves from Avenger to Avenger in some of the Action scenes is extremely well done. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 7, 2017 22:18:12 GMT
Well the final big scale battle sequence between the Heroes and the fodder army was done better in The Avengers movies. I'd take the Justice League's fight with Superman over Thor's fairly mediocre fight with Hulk and maaaaybe above Thor's fight with Iron Man as well. Superman vs the Justice League was mostly ruined for me by the static backgrounds and Henry Cavill's weird looking face. I liked the bits with the Flash and Wonder Woman though. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 22:19:50 GMT
The action scenes in The Avengers (first movie) are superb. I'm very nitpicky with my action and I have very few complaints about those scenes in the first movie.
The action scenes in Age of Ultron however were nowhere near as good.
The airport sequence in Civil War was phenominal! But the rest of the action scenes in the Russo Cap movies have way too much shaky cam. And shaky cam action suuuuuuucccccckkkksss!!!!!!!!!!1
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 7, 2017 23:19:19 GMT
Well the final big scale battle sequence between the Heroes and the fodder army was done better in The Avengers movies. I'd take the Justice League's fight with Superman over Thor's fairly mediocre fight with Hulk and maaaaybe above Thor's fight with Iron Man as well. The JL's fight with Superman was undercut by how underpowered some of them were against him (Wonder Woman) when they were previously shown to be on that level (her fight with Doomsday). |
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Post by scabab on Dec 7, 2017 23:34:08 GMT
The JL's fight with Superman was undercut by how underpowered some of them were against him (Wonder Woman) when they were previously shown to be on that level (her fight with Doomsday). Yeah that's what made it so good, that Superman was made out to be the strongest which he should be. Wonder Woman wasn't on Superman's level. Again if Wonder Woman was only about as strong as Superman then they wouldn't have taken the huge risk of reviving him when he'd still be weaker than Steppenwolf anyway. They both knew he was the strongest. She was just losing against Doomsday, same with Superman who had also just recently been on the verge of death from being hit by Kryptonite. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 7, 2017 23:36:28 GMT
The action scenes in The Avengers (first movie) are superb. I'm very nitpicky with my action and I have very few complaints about those scenes in the first movie. The action scenes in Age of Ultron however were nowhere near as good. The airport sequence in Civil War was phenominal! But the rest of the action scenes in the Russo Cap movies have way too much shaky cam. And shaky cam action suuuuuuucccccckkkksss!!!!!!!!!!1 The Avengers vs. Chitauri scenes puts me back in the IMAX theater with the souped-up sound and incredible 3-D every single time. We're agreed on that but, I happen to be a fan of the Russo Brother's action sequences. They're less studied and orchestrated than typical action sequences. They feel more chaotic and kinetic, and I appreciate that aesthetic. You can feel bone-crunching when people get hit with Cap's shield or when someone gets pulverized by Bucky's arm. I think some people's brain chemistry doesn't mesh well with the shaky cam approach. It's dizzying and hard to follow but, it works for me on a sheerly visceral level. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 7, 2017 23:45:02 GMT
The JL's fight with Superman was undercut by how underpowered some of them were against him (Wonder Woman) when they were previously shown to be on that level (her fight with Doomsday). Yeah that's what made it so good, that Superman was made out to be the strongest which he should be. Kind of makes the rest of the League redundant though. What's the point of them if he can handle everything so easily? Her power levels are all over the place. BvS suggests she could fight Doomsday equally, her own movie made her all-powerful...then she's ineffective against Steppenwolf who is quite weaker than Superman. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 7, 2017 23:49:55 GMT
Yeah that's what made it so good, that Superman was made out to be the strongest which he should be. Kind of makes the rest of the League redundant though. What's the point of them if he can handle everything so easily? Her power levels are all over the place. BvS suggests she could fight Doomsday equally, her own movie made her all-powerful...then she's ineffective against Steppenwolf who is quite weaker than Superman. The power leveling in JL was atrocious. Period. And there's no way Superman could have carried that entire building without it collapsing in transit. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 23:54:37 GMT
The action scenes in The Avengers (first movie) are superb. I'm very nitpicky with my action and I have very few complaints about those scenes in the first movie. The action scenes in Age of Ultron however were nowhere near as good. The airport sequence in Civil War was phenominal! But the rest of the action scenes in the Russo Cap movies have way too much shaky cam. And shaky cam action suuuuuuucccccckkkksss!!!!!!!!!!1 The Avengers vs. Chitauri scenes puts me back in the IMAX theater with the souped-up sound and incredible 3-D every single time. We're agreed on that but, I happen to be a fan of the Russo Brother's action sequences. They're less studied and orchestrated than typical action sequences. They feel more chaotic and kinetic, and I appreciate that aesthetic. You can feel bone-crunching when people get hit with Cap's shield or when someone gets pulverized by Bucky's arm. I think some people's brain chemistry doesn't mesh well with the shaky cam approach. It's dizzying and hard to follow but, it works for me on a sheerly visceral level. I don't know. I love the Jason Bourne series, but I also despise it for making that shaky cam stuff popular. It's disorienting and amateurish. You'll notice that they cut it out completely for the airport fight and it's much better for it. I also despite Man of Steel for using that shaky cam style. Just my opinion I suppose, but it's impossible to appreciate choreography or action when the screen is just a chaotic blur. |
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Post by scabab on Dec 8, 2017 0:41:44 GMT
Kind of makes the rest of the League redundant though. What's the point of them if he can handle everything so easily? If it wasn't for the others they'd all be dead anyway. Cyborg was the only one capable of stopping the Motherbox. She held her own against Doomsday, she certainly wasn't equal to him and she was really powerful in her own movie, enough to defeat Ares. But Steppenwolf was obviously much more powerful still and we already knew that from the flashback sequence where it took the Amazons, the Atlanteans, the Gods including Ares and Zeus and a Green Lantern in order to drive Steppenwolf off. Then Superman is above that and Doomsday is above even that. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 8, 2017 1:24:30 GMT
Kind of makes the rest of the League redundant though. What's the point of them if he can handle everything so easily? If it wasn't for the others they'd all be dead anyway. Cyborg was the only one capable of stopping the Motherbox. If Superman hadn't died (which was partly Batman's fault) Steppenwolf never would've gotten the Mother Box. Even failing that...that means Cyborg is the only League member needed aside from Superman. The rest are totally unnecessary. If she could hold her own against DD, who is more powerful than Supes, then she wouldn't have been manhandled so badly by Supes in JL. Too bad he didn't come off as that strong in the actual JL movie. If she could hold her own against DD she would've been enough to stop Steppenwolf on her own. He couldn't stand up to Zeus' lightning and she could. |
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Post by scabab on Dec 8, 2017 1:38:27 GMT
Even failing that...that means Cyborg is the only League member needed aside from Superman. The rest are totally unnecessary. Well no because if it wasn't for Wonder Woman then Cyborg wouldn't have even got himself involved meaning that again that everyone would have died. She was no more manhandled than with Doomsday. She was considerably weaker than both. You're arguing against what was shown here. Wonder Woman fought Doomsday and she was over powered. Wonder Woman fought Steppenwolf and she was also over powered. There is no should have. Wonder Woman stood up to the lightning because of the invulnerable deflective gauntlets that she has. Steppenwolf doesn't have that. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 8, 2017 2:09:13 GMT
Even failing that...that means Cyborg is the only League member needed aside from Superman. The rest are totally unnecessary. Well no because if it wasn't for Wonder Woman then Cyborg wouldn't have even got himself involved meaning that again that everyone would have died. If you want to be like that, Superman on his own would have stopped Steppenwolf before he got the 3rd Box. She chopped off Doomsday's hand and was able to hold him in place with her lasso. She wasn't able to slice off any appendage of Steppenwolfs' nor immobilize him. She held up better against DD and did more damage to him than in her battles with Steppenwolf. I think Patty Jenkins said something about how she absorbed the lightning on her own without the need for gauntlets or something. See, this is one of the big differences between Marvel and DC. With DC, there was no thought to having characters co-exist until years in so they had several redundant characters. Marvel was built with the idea of several character co-existing so it fits together better, until the X-Men writers lost their minds in the 1980s and forgot all that. |
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Post by scabab on Dec 8, 2017 2:29:15 GMT
If you want to be like that, Superman on his own would have stopped Steppenwolf before he got the 3rd Box. If it wasn't for the others Superman wouldn't have even know about the Mother Boxes in the first place wouldn't have known that was anybody to even be stopped so he Steppenwolf would have got all three and everyone would have died. That's because Steppenwolf was armoured, had his axe as a weapon to deflect the sword and wasn't a mindless monster with no combat experience. Doomsday was more powerful and overwhelmed Wonder Woman far more than Steppenwolf did. She was able to stand her ground against Steppenwolf but Doomsday just kept batting her away. Did she use the lasso on Steppenwolf? That wouldn't even make sense, you see the lightning connected to her gauntlets. She deflected the lightning the same way she deflected Doomsday's thermal blast. Steppenwolf didn't have that equipment. See, this is one of the big differences between Marvel and DC. With DC, there was no thought to having characters co-exist until years in so they had several redundant characters. Marvel was built with the idea of several character co-existing so it fits together better, until the X-Men writers lost their minds in the 1980s and forgot all that. [/quote] |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 8, 2017 2:39:15 GMT
If it wasn't for the others Superman wouldn't have even know about the Mother Boxes in the first place Well, Steppenwolf wouldn't have attacked if Superman had been alive. He said so. They didn't try hard enough to make the others matter in terms of raw power. Superman shouldn't have been able to beat Steppenwolf on his own, it should've been all of them together. He didn't have any neck armor, what was stopping her from chopping his head off? And his armor was supposed to be more durable than Kryptonian skin? She was able to restrain him momentarily, something she couldn't do against Steppenwolf. If so, then you're right and it didn't make sense. Which is what I'm trying to say, everything is inconsistent here. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 8, 2017 2:58:37 GMT
I loved the action Avengers too. And maybe they do wreck the ones in Justice League, maybe. But every action/fight sequence in Man of Steel destroys Avengers. And even the one at the end of BvS is right up there. Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, no. You mean the DBZ/Matrix Revolutions fight at the end? Or the cornfield brawl that had no narrative structure and just sort of kept going until it finally ended. If all you care about is crashing and punching I guess they did better, but a fight scene can be incredibly boring if it's just mindless action and exhibit A is Man of Steel. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 8, 2017 3:13:04 GMT
I loved the action Avengers too. And maybe they do wreck the ones in Justice League, maybe. But every action/fight sequence in Man of Steel destroys Avengers. And even the one at the end of BvS is right up there. Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, no. You mean the DBZ/Matrix Revolutions fight at the end? Or the cornfield brawl that had no narrative structure and just sort of kept going until it finally ended. If all you care about is crashing and punching I guess they did better, but a fight scene can be incredibly boring if it's just mindless action and exhibit A is Man of Steel. That's a bit harsh. I think there is a middle ground when it comes to Man of Steel's fight choreography. Yes, much of the fighting in that film was fatigue inducing but, some of the exchanges between Faora-Ul and Kal-El were very well done because they had occasional pauses that allowed you to process the action. BTW - The MCU could do worse than to invite Antje Traue into a key role. I'm really surprised that she hasn't had more mainstream work. |
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