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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 8, 2017 2:49:05 GMT
Just a quick first premise, If the best justification for anything XMen is "the infinity gauntlet did it" then I think we need to be a little careful, because while yes that can always be an answer for anything, the problem is that it can always be an answer for anything. It's not really a good case for thinking it actually will happen.
My point about Magento here is, he's a Holocaust survivor. It's not like the Punisher where you can move his story to a different time period. And his holocaust status has worked for a long time now, but the thing is, it's 2018 practically. The guy would be 90 or better, and ok, I'll soften my stance, he can show up, but in an old retired advisor sort of way where we see him longingly looking out into space regretting his life or something. He just couldn't be some badass mutant leader at this stage.
And honestly, we've seen a lot of the character. I'd be all about focusing on many of the villains and other stories that we've never seen before instead anyway.
I did find this ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uIja2pclCE ) to be a pretty good possibility for an intro of the x-men into the current MCU, if that is indeed what they choose to do. Basically it's just that only a small group of mutants has been around for awhile, Charles being one of the oldest, and he has used his ability to locate them, keep them safe, keep them hidden if necessary, guide them, and avoid detection. He has a group of leaders with him, which are basically the original team and we focus on them much more, but basically the introduction into the MCU is that the population has grown beyond Charle's ability to keep them all secret. Some act out, etc, and what was a rumor becomes what is perceived as an epidemic, and there are evil mutants and yadda yadda. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 8, 2017 3:06:54 GMT
We need to get back to core X-Men storytelling that focuses more on characters. A new interpretation of Mastermind would make for a great villain. The Shadow King, as a non-corporeal ageless mutant, could also work. I'd like the X-Men to face a top-level telepathic threat - one that rivals Xavier.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 8, 2017 5:10:25 GMT
If the X-Men showed up for the Infinity sequel, the universe will explode.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 8, 2017 12:32:24 GMT
They can just use some time travel shenanigans to have Magneto pulled through time from the 1950s or so to the present day.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 8, 2017 13:10:36 GMT
If the X-Men showed up for the Infinity sequel, the universe will explode. I don't see any way that happens. They have a story planned out. They aren't going to try to introduce this whole new race into it. You can always have somebody like Sue Storm show up because it's one person and doesn't require a whole lot of explanation, but not a x-man, because there's just too much baggage to be wondering about if that happens. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 8, 2017 13:12:22 GMT
They can just use some time travel shenanigans to have Magneto pulled through time from the 1950s or so to the present day. Ok, but when we can't think of a reason, we can't always go back to stuff like that. Of course they can use magic to do something, but if we're just doing it just to do it, then maybe we need to be doing something else. They've got plenty of characters other than Magneto. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 8, 2017 13:14:54 GMT
They can just use some time travel shenanigans to have Magneto pulled through time from the 1950s or so to the present day. Ok, but when we can't think of a reason, we can't always go back to stuff like that. Of course they can use magic to do something, but if we're just doing it just to do it, then maybe we need to be doing something else. They've got plenty of characters other than Magneto. Personally, I'd just make Magneto the survivor of another genocide. |
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Post by charzhino on Dec 8, 2017 14:03:07 GMT
Personally, I'd just make Magneto the survivor of another genocide. The watering down begins. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 8, 2017 14:05:32 GMT
Personally, I'd just make Magneto the survivor of another genocide. The watering down begins. Oh yes, no other Genocide matters but the Holocaust. All those other millions who died, their lives mean nothing. |
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Post by charzhino on Dec 8, 2017 14:08:01 GMT
The watering down begins. Oh yes, no other Genocide matters but the Holocaust. All those other millions who died, their lives mean nothing. The Holocaust is the most violent and inhumane genocide in terms of brutality and scale. Nothing comes close in modern history. You just want him to be someone like a refugee escaping a run of the mill war. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 8, 2017 14:29:18 GMT
Oh yes, no other Genocide matters but the Holocaust. All those other millions who died, their lives mean nothing. The Holocaust is the most violent and inhumane genocide in terms of brutality and scale. Nothing comes close in modern history. You just want him to be someone like a refugee escaping a run of the mill war. Thanks for insulting all the Rwandans, Armenians, Soviets, Cambodians and Bosnians. I'm sure they appreciate it. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 8, 2017 14:45:00 GMT
The Holocaust is the most violent and inhumane genocide in terms of brutality and scale. Nothing comes close in modern history. You just want him to be someone like a refugee escaping a run of the mill war.Thanks for insulting all the Rwandans, Armenians, Soviets, Cambodians and Bosnians. I'm sure they appreciate it. Highlighted for posterity. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 8, 2017 14:47:56 GMT
Ok, but when we can't think of a reason, we can't always go back to stuff like that. Of course they can use magic to do something, but if we're just doing it just to do it, then maybe we need to be doing something else. They've got plenty of characters other than Magneto. Personally, I'd just make Magneto the survivor of another genocide. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I'm open, but IDK |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 15:58:38 GMT
The Yugoslavia war in Bosnia had camps, had genocide. It could work fine. Or they can also just change his origin. I wouldnt worry much about it. Marvel will have their plan ready
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 8, 2017 18:07:44 GMT
Just a quick first premise, If the best justification for anything XMen is "the infinity gauntlet did it" then I think we need to be a little careful, because while yes that can always be an answer for anything, the problem is that it can always be an answer for anything. It's not really a good case for thinking it actually will happen.
My point about Magento here is, he's a Holocaust survivor. It's not like the Punisher where you can move his story to a different time period. And his holocaust status has worked for a long time now, but the thing is, it's 2018 practically. The guy would be 90 or better, and ok, I'll soften my stance, he can show up, but in an old retired advisor sort of way where we see him longingly looking out into space regretting his life or something. He just couldn't be some badass mutant leader at this stage.
And honestly, we've seen a lot of the character. I'd be all about focusing on many of the villains and other stories that we've never seen before instead anyway.
I did find this ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uIja2pclCE ) to be a pretty good possibility for an intro of the x-men into the current MCU, if that is indeed what they choose to do. Basically it's just that only a small group of mutants has been around for awhile, Charles being one of the oldest, and he has used his ability to locate them, keep them safe, keep them hidden if necessary, guide them, and avoid detection. He has a group of leaders with him, which are basically the original team and we focus on them much more, but basically the introduction into the MCU is that the population has grown beyond Charle's ability to keep them all secret. Some act out, etc, and what was a rumor becomes what is perceived as an epidemic, and there are evil mutants and yadda yadda. Does it bother you that Punisher is no longer a Vietnam vet as he was originally in the comics? Because in the Netflix series he's a middle east conflicts Marine right? So... I think something similar could be done for Magneto.
Instead of the holocaust maybe his parents or grandparents were in the holocaust and he was in the Croatia wars. That Croatia conflict was pretty brutal and was about killing people based on religious and racial lines. So its not exact, but its close enough that similar themes could be mined.
edit: Armenia, Bosnia, Crotia... that conflict... late 90's/early 2000s? I'm surprised it hasn't been done already.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 8, 2017 18:08:37 GMT
The Yugoslavia war in Bosnia had camps, had genocide. It could work fine. Or they can also just change his origin. I wouldnt worry much about it. Marvel will have their plan ready #teamcolden ^^^This is what I meant^^^ |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 8, 2017 18:19:49 GMT
Just a quick first premise, If the best justification for anything XMen is "the infinity gauntlet did it" then I think we need to be a little careful, because while yes that can always be an answer for anything, the problem is that it can always be an answer for anything. It's not really a good case for thinking it actually will happen.
My point about Magento here is, he's a Holocaust survivor. It's not like the Punisher where you can move his story to a different time period. And his holocaust status has worked for a long time now, but the thing is, it's 2018 practically. The guy would be 90 or better, and ok, I'll soften my stance, he can show up, but in an old retired advisor sort of way where we see him longingly looking out into space regretting his life or something. He just couldn't be some badass mutant leader at this stage.
And honestly, we've seen a lot of the character. I'd be all about focusing on many of the villains and other stories that we've never seen before instead anyway.
I did find this ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uIja2pclCE ) to be a pretty good possibility for an intro of the x-men into the current MCU, if that is indeed what they choose to do. Basically it's just that only a small group of mutants has been around for awhile, Charles being one of the oldest, and he has used his ability to locate them, keep them safe, keep them hidden if necessary, guide them, and avoid detection. He has a group of leaders with him, which are basically the original team and we focus on them much more, but basically the introduction into the MCU is that the population has grown beyond Charle's ability to keep them all secret. Some act out, etc, and what was a rumor becomes what is perceived as an epidemic, and there are evil mutants and yadda yadda. Does it bother you that Punisher is no longer a Vietnam vet as he was originally in the comics? Because in the Netflix series he's a middle east conflicts Marine right? So... I think something similar could be done for Magneto.
Instead of the holocaust maybe his parents or grandparents were in the holocaust and he was in the Croatia wars. That Croatia conflict was pretty brutal and was about killing people based on religious and racial lines. So its not exact, but its close enough that similar themes could be mined.
edit: Armenia, Bosnia, Crotia... that conflict... late 90's/early 2000s? I'm surprised it hasn't been done already.
I just don't think moving from Vietnam to a middle east conflict is the same. What specific war he was in, never really mattered. Whereas the holocaust had a completely different connotation, and moving magneto to Croatia, just isn't the same. And there's no reason to do it. You don't need magneto. He's been all over the x-men series so far. It's ok if they simply don't use him. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 8, 2017 18:29:54 GMT
Does it bother you that Punisher is no longer a Vietnam vet as he was originally in the comics? Because in the Netflix series he's a middle east conflicts Marine right? So... I think something similar could be done for Magneto.
Instead of the holocaust maybe his parents or grandparents were in the holocaust and he was in the Croatia wars. That Croatia conflict was pretty brutal and was about killing people based on religious and racial lines. So its not exact, but its close enough that similar themes could be mined.
edit: Armenia, Bosnia, Crotia... that conflict... late 90's/early 2000s? I'm surprised it hasn't been done already.
I just don't think moving from Vietnam to a middle east conflict is the same. What specific war he was in, never really mattered. Whereas the holocaust had a completely different connotation, and moving magneto to Croatia, just isn't the same. And there's no reason to do it. You don't need magneto. He's been all over the x-men series so far. It's ok if they simply don't use him. He's the only decent villain the X-Men have, though. Sinister is actually a pretty bad villain, Apocalypse is just bland, Mastermold could work but we've had enough of killer robots for a while... |
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 8, 2017 18:35:16 GMT
Does it bother you that Punisher is no longer a Vietnam vet as he was originally in the comics? Because in the Netflix series he's a middle east conflicts Marine right? So... I think something similar could be done for Magneto.
Instead of the holocaust maybe his parents or grandparents were in the holocaust and he was in the Croatia wars. That Croatia conflict was pretty brutal and was about killing people based on religious and racial lines. So its not exact, but its close enough that similar themes could be mined.
edit: Armenia, Bosnia, Crotia... that conflict... late 90's/early 2000s? I'm surprised it hasn't been done already.
I just don't think moving from Vietnam to a middle east conflict is the same. What specific war he was in, never really mattered. Whereas the holocaust had a completely different connotation, and moving magneto to Croatia, just isn't the same. And there's no reason to do it. You don't need magneto. He's been all over the x-men series so far. It's ok if they simply don't use him. But at the same time, the Holocaust is not what turned him into Magneto. It might have been something that planted the seeds, but it wasn't the 'on' button. If the X-men movies started with Apocalypse, and not had him Magneto in First Class and DoFP, then they would have gotten it right. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 8, 2017 18:37:32 GMT
I just don't think moving from Vietnam to a middle east conflict is the same. What specific war he was in, never really mattered. Whereas the holocaust had a completely different connotation, and moving magneto to Croatia, just isn't the same. And there's no reason to do it. You don't need magneto. He's been all over the x-men series so far. It's ok if they simply don't use him. He's the only decent villain the X-Men have, though. Sinister is actually a pretty bad villain, Apocalypse is just bland, Mastermold could work but we've had enough of killer robots for a while... IDK, I mean they've got a long list of people they can find something new and interesting to mine right? |
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