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Post by politicidal on Dec 9, 2017 2:01:20 GMT
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 9, 2017 7:23:39 GMT
But character really wasn't the "bedrock" before. It was always about global destruction. Every main movie had them fight something that would have been the end of the world. Every movie had the same emotional beats. The OT was pretty much Cyclops vs Logan over Jean and Logan being emotional about everything with just a hint of Xavier and Erik being ex's. The NT was just Mystique all the time with some thrown in Xavier and Erik. Apocalypse had them have to use the magic of friendship on Magneto. And about character: they stayed with the same characters before. There was no shifting perspective because we kept getting the same 3 perspectives (shifting out Wolverine for Mystique). Everyone else was only mumbled background. Yeah, I don't think they know why Apocalypse doesn't work.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 9, 2017 8:34:12 GMT
Technically he is right. It was about global destruction i think some just confused xmen with MCU. The MCU are the people legendary for global destruction (not x-men) that rivial transformers. I think this is where he is coming from.
Every movie had them fighing things that could lead to ......killing all mutants or most humans but it is not about destroying cities and having things explode 24/7 like your average avengers movies. Must be where he is getting at. The bedrock of xmen movies have been the characters in forcus, reason x-men movies are known for the drama, reason first class and dofp worked and apocalypse did not.
DOFP was more like a TDK/X2/Batman Begins movie as most critics and fans pointed out. Apocalypse was like an Avengers movie...or at least trying to be one but its X-Men, so that won’t fly.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 9, 2017 8:40:16 GMT
Well duh. Its X-Men, you have a great body of source material to work with, you do not need to substitute that for explosions and visual effects. Take note Disney. Too bad, this movie will still be bad.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 9, 2017 11:17:19 GMT
It was obvious, doesn't take a genius to see that Fox execs were pressuring Singer/Kinberg to match the spectacle nature of Civil War and BvS that came out that year. The focus was more on how can they fit in as much action, much of it unnecessary like Alkali lake sequence, as possible without really caring about the story. If Singer followed more closely to his previous work, we would have definitely seen a better Apocalypse character because he hardly had any verbal confrontation with Xavier. This had been a pillar in X1, X2 and DOFP, how the protagonist and antagonist clash through non-violent methods. But in Apocalypse, that cliff scene illustrates it perfectly. 2 minutes of some generic dialogue then rush into destroying Cairo.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 9, 2017 11:22:34 GMT
But character really wasn't the "bedrock" before. It was always about global destruction. Every main movie had them fight something that would have been the end of the world. Every movie had the same emotional beats. The OT was pretty much Cyclops vs Logan over Jean and Logan being emotional about everything with just a hint of Xavier and Erik being ex's. The NT was just Mystique all the time with some thrown in Xavier and Erik. Apocalypse had them have to use the magic of friendship on Magneto. And about character: they stayed with the same characters before. There was no shifting perspective because we kept getting the same 3 perspectives (shifting out Wolverine for Mystique). Everyone else was only mumbled background. Yeah, I don't think they know why Apocalypse doesn't work. They should have showed us more of Apocalypses perspective. Hes a more extreme version of Magneto but they didn't dig properly into his survival of the fittest beliefs and god complex, thats why the movie failed because everyone thought he was a generic villain. Having Xavier challenging him and saying you're just a mutant like everyone else and not special or something along those lines would have humanized Apocalypse somewhat, but Kinberg is right they focused more on action and effects (which were both mediocre).
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Post by summers8 on Dec 9, 2017 11:48:47 GMT
they should not have made a film at all. AOA was too huge to make a single film. this story alone gave birth to one of the most notorious and best alternate marvel realities, making i a 2.2 hors film was a no no.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 9, 2017 12:59:38 GMT
What went wrong is that they don't know how to do any other kind of story than just rehashes of X1, and audiences finally woke up to that in Apocalypse.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 9, 2017 15:50:36 GMT
they should not have made a film at all. AOA was too huge to make a single film. this story alone gave birth to one of the most notorious and best alternate marvel realities, making i a 2.2 hors film was a no no. They didn't do Age of Apocalypse, though. It was more based off the stories in X-Factor. Even if they were going for AoA, that would have been wrong to do. AoA was just a bigger version of DoFP.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 9, 2017 17:49:11 GMT
they should not have made a film at all. AOA was too huge to make a single film. this story alone gave birth to one of the most notorious and best alternate marvel realities, making i a 2.2 hors film was a no no. They didn't do Age of Apocalypse, though. It was more based off the stories in X-Factor. Even if they were going for AoA, that would have been wrong to do. AoA was just a bigger version of DoFP. never read the comics as usual. so more shit talking, the only way to ever have a conversation with mcu fanboys. yikes. AOA was another alternate reality tale in the many timelines of alternate realties marvel comics has. but it was nothing like DOFP in story. sorry but that is fact. Something that was like DOFP, was the ultron story arc in the 2000s but an inferior version of the DOFP story of the 80s.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 9, 2017 17:57:51 GMT
But character really wasn't the "bedrock" before. It was always about global destruction. Every main movie had them fight something that would have been the end of the world. Every movie had the same emotional beats. The OT was pretty much Cyclops vs Logan over Jean and Logan being emotional about everything with just a hint of Xavier and Erik being ex's. The NT was just Mystique all the time with some thrown in Xavier and Erik. Apocalypse had them have to use the magic of friendship on Magneto. And about character: they stayed with the same characters before. There was no shifting perspective because we kept getting the same 3 perspectives (shifting out Wolverine for Mystique). Everyone else was only mumbled background. Yeah, I don't think they know why Apocalypse doesn't work. They should have showed us more of Apocalypses perspective. Hes a more extreme version of Magneto but they didn't dig properly into his survival of the fittest beliefs and god complex, thats why the movie failed because everyone thought he was a generic villain. Having Xavier challenging him and saying you're just a mutant like everyone else and not special or something along those lines would have humanized Apocalypse somewhat, but Kinberg is right they focused more on action and effects (which were both mediocre). Yeah, why I want that multiple man film to happen. i like my xmen when the folks tend to talk more about telling an actual story, drama and characters than fun, jokes and blowing up cities and vfx.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 9, 2017 18:02:07 GMT
At least they didn't white wash Apocalypse. That's gotta count for something, right?
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 9, 2017 18:02:22 GMT
never read the comics as usual. He knows more about the comics than you do. Actually, it was a lot like it. The DOFP Comic story wasn't very good to begin with.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 9, 2017 18:02:47 GMT
They should have showed us more of Apocalypses perspective. Hes a more extreme version of Magneto but they didn't dig properly into his survival of the fittest beliefs and god complex, thats why the movie failed because everyone thought he was a generic villain. Having Xavier challenging him and saying you're just a mutant like everyone else and not special or something along those lines would have humanized Apocalypse somewhat, but Kinberg is right they focused more on action and effects (which were both mediocre). Yeah, why I want that multiple man film to happen. i like my xmen when the folks tend to talk more about telling an actual story, drama and characters than fun, jokes and blowing up cities and vfx. But they won't. It would just be James Franco's usual Sex Comedy schtick.
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Post by outrider127 on Dec 9, 2017 18:03:51 GMT
I freaking LOVED X-Men: Apocalypse!, its one of my all time top twenty movies
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Post by outrider127 on Dec 9, 2017 18:07:14 GMT
Movie was a huge hit, Worldwide Gross $543 million dollars
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Post by summers8 on Dec 9, 2017 18:08:50 GMT
I freaking LOVED X-Men: Apocalypse!, its one of my all time top twenty movies I did not like apocalypse but some people seem to have a wrong view of the film. it was a let down by xmen high standard, however the movie is still more tolerable than GOTG 2 or Age of ultron or Iron Man 3. just read the rt consensus for example and you will see.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 9, 2017 18:27:32 GMT
At least they didn't white wash Apocalypse. That's gotta count for something, right? Indeed. One less thing to complain about I guess.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 9, 2017 18:33:38 GMT
I freaking LOVED X-Men: Apocalypse!, its one of my all time top twenty movies I did not like apocalypse but some people seem to have a wrong view of the film. Nah, people are just waking up and realizing Singer's way is outdated.
Fox knows it too, it's why they're selling.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 9, 2017 18:37:10 GMT
I did not like apocalypse but some people seem to have a wrong view of the film. Nah, people are just waking up and realizing Singer's way is outdated.
Fox knows it too, it's why they're selling.
Come on, Apocalypse wasn't even that bad. Hell it was better than Thor The Dark World, Iron Man 2-3 and Age of Ultron.
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