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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 19, 2017 21:58:14 GMT
Sorry, my post was an attempt at humour, I recognize the stupidity of the monkey in charge.  It's more excuse making. Israel was never, ever, ever going to give up Jerusalem. Everyone knows this. No negotiated peace would see Jerusalem leave Israeli hands. Accepting this is probably the only way to start any real negotiated peace. |
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Post by gadreel on Dec 19, 2017 22:18:35 GMT
Sorry, my post was an attempt at humour, I recognize the stupidity of the monkey in charge. It's more excuse making. Israel was never, ever, ever going to give up Jerusalem. Everyone knows this. No negotiated peace would see Jerusalem leave Israeli hands. Accepting this is probably the only way to start any real negotiated peace. Yeah who cares what Palestine thinks? Saladin: Will you yield the city? Balian of Ibelin: Before I lose it, I will burn it to the ground. Your holy places - ours. Every last thing in Jerusalem that drives men mad. Saladin: I wonder if it would not be better if you did. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 19, 2017 22:43:38 GMT
It's more excuse making. Israel was never, ever, ever going to give up Jerusalem. Everyone knows this. No negotiated peace would see Jerusalem leave Israeli hands. Accepting this is probably the only way to start any real negotiated peace. Yeah who cares what Palestine thinks? Saladin: Will you yield the city? Balian of Ibelin: Before I lose it, I will burn it to the ground. Your holy places - ours. Every last thing in Jerusalem that drives men mad. Saladin: I wonder if it would not be better if you did. Essentially nobody who matters does. That is the point. The EU won't get involved in any real way. China is too distant. The wider Middle East only cares about the Palestinians as leverage against Israel. |
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Post by gadreel on Dec 19, 2017 23:00:07 GMT
Yeah who cares what Palestine thinks? Saladin: Will you yield the city? Balian of Ibelin: Before I lose it, I will burn it to the ground. Your holy places - ours. Every last thing in Jerusalem that drives men mad. Saladin: I wonder if it would not be better if you did. Essentially nobody who matters does. That is the point. The EU won't get involved in any real way. China is too distant. The wider Middle East only cares about the Palestinians as leverage against Israel. Yup the crazy guy in charge of america is showing his hand. Sounds like sides have been picked. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 20, 2017 2:06:33 GMT
Essentially nobody who matters does. That is the point. The EU won't get involved in any real way. China is too distant. The wider Middle East only cares about the Palestinians as leverage against Israel. Yup the crazy guy in charge of america is showing his hand. Sounds like sides have been picked. The US has always been pro Israel, just look at the Israeli Air force. Presidents have ignored the obvious fact that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel for decades to avoid upset. |
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Post by gadreel on Dec 20, 2017 2:13:48 GMT
Yup the crazy guy in charge of america is showing his hand. Sounds like sides have been picked. The US has always been pro Israel, just look at the Israeli Air force. Presidents have ignored the obvious fact that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel for decades to avoid upset. Jerusalem is not the obvious capital of Israel: It is currently annexed illegally (irony anyone?), it has never and was never the capital of Israel. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 20, 2017 9:42:38 GMT
The US has always been pro Israel, just look at the Israeli Air force. Presidents have ignored the obvious fact that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel for decades to avoid upset. Jerusalem is not the obvious capital of Israel: It is currently annexed illegally (irony anyone?), it has never and was never the capital of Israel. Irony? Yes, there is a lot of that going around. The relationship between Jews and capitals is different than for other groups. Some consider New York City the "New Jerusalem." There are strong communities of Jews in New York City. Who calls Washington D.C. the New Jerusalem? Where are the Jewish communities in Washington? New York City isn't even the capital of New York. I don't want to deny the Jews their capital here, I'm just noting the spiritual character of Judaism. There were many devout, practicing Jews before Israel became a state who did not believe it was a good idea. They only wanted a "spiritual" existence in the world. |
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Post by Morgana on Dec 20, 2017 11:49:02 GMT
Sorry, my post was an attempt at humour, I recognize the stupidity of the monkey in charge. I think you mean the 'orange monkey' in charge.  Sorry for not getting your sarcasm. How do I delete the stupid spoiler?? |
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Post by gadreel on Dec 20, 2017 19:17:16 GMT
Sorry, my post was an attempt at humour, I recognize the stupidity of the monkey in charge. I think you mean the 'orange monkey' in charge. Sorry for not getting your sarcasm. How do I delete the stupid spoiler?? There is no need at all to apologise for not getting sarcasm, it is very hard to convey on the internet. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 20, 2017 22:54:52 GMT
The US has always been pro Israel, just look at the Israeli Air force. Presidents have ignored the obvious fact that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel for decades to avoid upset. Jerusalem is not the obvious capital of Israel: It is currently annexed illegally (irony anyone?), it has never and was never the capital of Israel. I didn't say it was the obvious capital. I said it was obviously the capital. Since that is where the Israelis say it is and where their government buildings are. |
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Post by gadreel on Dec 20, 2017 22:57:36 GMT
Jerusalem is not the obvious capital of Israel: It is currently annexed illegally (irony anyone?), it has never and was never the capital of Israel. I didn't say it was the obvious capital. I said it was obviously the capital. Since that is where the Israelis say it is and where their government buildings are. ahh, right in the same way that france was obviously german national territory in 1940. Half of Jerusalem is not even part of Israel. what part if illegal occupation are you finding it hard to get? EDIT: Given that legally it is owned by two countries how is it even obviously the capital of Israel? |
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 20, 2017 23:03:58 GMT
I didn't say it was the obvious capital. I said it was obviously the capital. Since that is where the Israelis say it is and where their government buildings are. ahh, right in the same way that france was obviously german national territory in 1940. Half of Jerusalem is not even part of Israel. what part if illegal occupation are you finding it hard to get? EDIT: Given that legally it is owned by two countries how is it even obviously the capital of Israel? What part of reality don't you get? Do you think under any circumstances, short of war, Israel will give up any part of Jerusalem? |
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 20, 2017 23:06:29 GMT
Seems like the arabs are over-reacting to me, there is no reason to get upset, conflict in the middle east is mostly due to tribal infractions not anything the US has power over. You have to remember these are people who still follow a dark ages religion and eat their young. You do understand the difference between Arabs and Muslims? |
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Post by gadreel on Dec 21, 2017 0:20:19 GMT
ahh, right in the same way that france was obviously german national territory in 1940. Half of Jerusalem is not even part of Israel. what part if illegal occupation are you finding it hard to get? EDIT: Given that legally it is owned by two countries how is it even obviously the capital of Israel? What part of reality don't you get? Do you think under any circumstances, short of war, Israel will give up any part of Jerusalem? right, so you agree that it is illegally annexed and was never supposed to be part of Israel, but you also hold it is in reality the capital. Sorry but we will have to disagree. |
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Post by gadreel on Dec 21, 2017 0:21:37 GMT
Seems like the arabs are over-reacting to me, there is no reason to get upset, conflict in the middle east is mostly due to tribal infractions not anything the US has power over. You have to remember these are people who still follow a dark ages religion and eat their young. You do understand the difference between Arabs and Muslims? Normally, I may not have been thinking too hard about the distinction when I wrote that. Apologies for offending you. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 21, 2017 0:52:28 GMT
What part of reality don't you get? Do you think under any circumstances, short of war, Israel will give up any part of Jerusalem? right, so you agree that it is illegally annexed and was never supposed to be part of Israel, but you also hold it is in reality the capital. Sorry but we will have to disagree. What part do you disagree with? |
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Post by gadreel on Dec 21, 2017 1:01:11 GMT
right, so you agree that it is illegally annexed and was never supposed to be part of Israel, but you also hold it is in reality the capital. Sorry but we will have to disagree. What part do you disagree with? that Jerusalem is in reality the capital of Israel. Just because the Israelis think it is does not make it so, elsewise France would be German. |
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Post by sublime92 on Dec 21, 2017 2:09:43 GMT
These guys are pissed off that they have to wear pajamas to their worship house. They're also mad at their wives because the drapes they wear are too loose.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 21, 2017 2:31:42 GMT
What part do you disagree with? that Jerusalem is in reality the capital of Israel. Just because the Israelis think it is does not make it so, elsewise France would be German. Whether you accept it or not, Israel considers Jerusalem to be its capital. Is there a time limit on this? Are we going to claim that Strasbourg is not French? Is Corsica French? |
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Post by gadreel on Dec 21, 2017 2:41:28 GMT
that Jerusalem is in reality the capital of Israel. Just because the Israelis think it is does not make it so, elsewise France would be German. Whether you accept it or not, Israel considers Jerusalem to be its capital. Is there a time limit on this? Are we going to claim that Strasbourg is not French? Is Corsica French? Nobody but israel accepts it. Oh and the retard in charge of the USA. remember the France is German comment, the israelites are doing a nazi move. As I say, we clearly disagree, I see no point in continuing to explain to each other that we have different view points. |
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Sorry for not getting your sarcasm.
