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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 12, 2017 20:51:43 GMT
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Post by gadreel on Dec 12, 2017 20:54:32 GMT
Seems like the arabs are over-reacting to me, there is no reason to get upset, conflict in the middle east is mostly due to tribal infractions not anything the US has power over. You have to remember these are people who still follow a dark ages religion and eat their young.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 12, 2017 23:55:55 GMT
So how much do we concede to keep the Muslim happy, Cine? Outside the US embassy in London the protesters were chanting "Remember Khaybar, the army of Muhammad will come again"
And what did the British police do? Piss all. Because inciting racial hatred is apparently only something white people can do in the UK.
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Post by dividavi on Dec 13, 2017 7:24:07 GMT
Well, everybody could have predicted some response but nobody could predict the degree of violence from anything that hurts Muslim sensibilities. For instance in September 2012 the movie Innocence of Muslims was produced and US diplomatic missions in Libya, Qatar, Tunisia, Kenya, Kuwait, India, Indonesia and Egypt got attacked by Muslim protesters. Four American staff members were killed in Benghazi, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens. Kuwaiti police push back hundreds of demonstrators protesting against a film deemed offensive to Islam near the U.S. embassy in Kuwait City, on September 13, 2012.Additionally, A Hardee's restaurant and an adjoining KFC got torched in Tripoli, Lebanon. In 2005, there was the Mohammed cartoon controversy from Denmark: www.nybooks.com/daily/2011/02/09/why-are-muhammad-cartoons-still-inciting-violence/Additionally, McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut were set on fire.Basically, I could give a shit less about the hurt feelings of Muslims. They have all the self-control of a five year old. Their stupid OIC said in 2002 that bombing attacks on Jews were not acts of terrorism.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Dec 13, 2017 10:13:31 GMT
So how much do we concede to keep the Muslim happy, Cine? Outside the US embassy in London the protesters were chanting "Remember Khaybar, the army of Muhammad will come again" And what did the British police do? Piss all. Because inciting racial hatred is apparently only something white people can do in the UK. How does ""Remember Khaybar, the army of Muhammad will come again" [referencing an ancient Islamic-Jewish battle] equate to "inciting racial hatred", exactly? For one thing the reference would be pretty obscure to many. It also refers to a battle - rather than a pogrom, say. Arguably, it is no different from Irish protestants marching to celebrate, or referencing, The Battle of the Boyne.
In regards to white people and their greater propensity, or not, for hate crime offences. I am sure you are exaggerating for rhetorical effect when you say that "only white people can [commit] incite racial hatred" since the law is blind and there are well-known cases of Muslim preachers being convicted of this very thing. England is lucky in not having any notable, white, religious firebrands. But having said that, it's the fact that, in the UK at least, that ethnics (as with usually the case with most minorities) tend to suffer more, and it is reasonable to believe that this is most likely to be from white criminals rather than others from within their own community - although of course all ethnic groups might have extremists attacking outsiders.
Here are the Crime Survey for England and Wales figures: analysis of racially motivated hate crime by religion shows that Muslim adults or those whose religion was coded as ‘other’ were more likely to be a victim of racially motivated hate crime (1.2%) than other adults (for example, 0.1% of Christian adults or those with no religion) Religiously motivated hate crime: Based on data from the CSEW for 2012/13 to 2014/15, it is estimated that there were an average of 38,000 incidents of religiously motivated hate crime per year (Appendix Table 4.01). This total was split fairly evenly between personal crimes (21,000 incidents) and household crimes (17,000). From these combined surveys, it is estimated that 0.1 per cent of adults were victims of a religiously motivated hate crime in the 12 months prior to interview. The 2012/13 to 2014/15 CSEW showed that Muslim adults were the most likely to be a victim of religiously motivated hate crime (0.8%) Adults with an Asian ethnic group were more likely to be victims of a religiously motivated hate crime than adults of White ethnic group (0.5% and less than 0.1% respectively, 2012/13 to 2014/15 CSEW). In addition there has been established a big increase in hate crime against Muslims since, associated with the divisions of Brexit and continuing terrorist outrages inciting mass opinion.
www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2014-to-2015
I hope that helps.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 13, 2017 17:22:40 GMT
Phrasing the waste of a negotiation factor that's been deliberately kept on the table as a carrot for peace talks as "conceding" something to Muslims is disingenuous and utterly overlooks the reason Jerusalem was kept there in the first place. This move was completely unnecessary, entirely at odds with our own foreign policy, and had no more motivation behind it than to stir up completely avoidable tension in the area to milk more white nationalist fear-votes in the US.
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Post by sublime92 on Dec 14, 2017 7:01:26 GMT
It's nobody's fault that followers of a religion still cemented in the 10th century propel their anger via property damage and human collateral. The jig has been up on these nutjobs for decades now. They were on their way to potential reformation and Western secularism until Iran galvanized the Muslim world to turn back time in 1979. Egypt followed. Lebanon followed. Afghanistan followed. Indonesia followed. Malaysia followed. And now Turkey is following. Google "now and then" pictures of some of these Muslim-majority countries. It's astonishing to see the regression in these places thanks to Islam.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Dec 14, 2017 7:35:31 GMT
Those guys are right.
We in the West need to kill our families, ourselves and every other living thing that does not glorify Islam.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Dec 14, 2017 7:37:16 GMT
It's nobody's fault that followers of a religion still cemented in the 10th century propel their anger via property damage and human collateral. The jig has been up on these nutjobs for decades now. They were on their way to potential reformation and Western secularism until Iran galvanized the Muslim world to turn back time in 1979. Egypt followed. Lebanon followed. Afghanistan followed. Indonesia followed. Malaysia followed. And now Turkey is following. Google "now and then" pictures of some of these Muslim-majority countries. It's astonishing to see the regression in these places thanks to Islam. A close friend of mine came over to Canada just after 1979 from Iran, as he says 'When the monkeys took power'. He has some stories.
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Post by scienceisgod on Dec 14, 2017 8:29:57 GMT
This move was completely unnecessary, entirely at odds with our own foreign policy, and had no more motivation behind it than to stir up completely avoidable tension in the area to milk more white nationalist fear-votes in the US. At odds with our own foreign policy? You mean invading and toppling one Muslim country after the next? Obama slaughtered Muslims en mass, but Trump hurt your feelings.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Dec 15, 2017 11:00:09 GMT
Obama slaughtered Muslims en mass, but Trump hurt your feelings. Not to argue with your essential point, but Obama did not kill people just because they were Muslim, while more Muslims kill each other, because of their variation of religion than are ever 'slaughtered' by the West.
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Post by scienceisgod on Dec 15, 2017 17:11:25 GMT
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 16, 2017 4:40:40 GMT
So how much do we concede to keep the Muslim happy, Cine? Outside the US embassy in London the protesters were chanting "Remember Khaybar, the army of Muhammad will come again" And what did the British police do? Piss all. Because inciting racial hatred is apparently only something white people can do in the UK. How does ""Remember Khaybar, the army of Muhammad will come again" [referencing an ancient Islamic-Jewish battle] equate to "inciting racial hatred", exactly? For one thing the reference would be pretty obscure to many. It also refers to a battle - rather than a pogrom, say. Arguably, it is no different from Irish protestants marching to celebrate, or referencing, The Battle of the Boyne.
In regards to white people and their greater propensity, or not, for hate crime offences. I am sure you are exaggerating for rhetorical effect when you say that "only white people can [commit] incite racial hatred" since the law is blind and there are well-known cases of Muslim preachers being convicted of this very thing. England is lucky in not having any notable, white, religious firebrands. But having said that, it's the fact that, in the UK at least, that ethnics (as with usually the case with most minorities) tend to suffer more, and it is reasonable to believe that this is most likely to be from white criminals rather than others from within their own community - although of course all ethnic groups might have extremists attacking outsiders.
Here are the Crime Survey for England and Wales figures: analysis of racially motivated hate crime by religion shows that Muslim adults or those whose religion was coded as ‘other’ were more likely to be a victim of racially motivated hate crime (1.2%) than other adults (for example, 0.1% of Christian adults or those with no religion) Religiously motivated hate crime: Based on data from the CSEW for 2012/13 to 2014/15, it is estimated that there were an average of 38,000 incidents of religiously motivated hate crime per year (Appendix Table 4.01). This total was split fairly evenly between personal crimes (21,000 incidents) and household crimes (17,000). From these combined surveys, it is estimated that 0.1 per cent of adults were victims of a religiously motivated hate crime in the 12 months prior to interview. The 2012/13 to 2014/15 CSEW showed that Muslim adults were the most likely to be a victim of religiously motivated hate crime (0.8%) Adults with an Asian ethnic group were more likely to be victims of a religiously motivated hate crime than adults of White ethnic group (0.5% and less than 0.1% respectively, 2012/13 to 2014/15 CSEW). In addition there has been established a big increase in hate crime against Muslims since, associated with the divisions of Brexit and continuing terrorist outrages inciting mass opinion.
www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2014-to-2015
I hope that helps.
The battle that resulted in the total expulsion of the Jews from the city? After a period where some were held in bondage to produce food for the Muslims and forced to pay tax? I wonder why referencing that in relation to Israel might be considered hateful....Its a mystery alright. And look more closely at the hate crime numbers. There are 29 white people for every black person in the UK There are 17 white people for every Asian. Yet according to those percentages, Asians suffer hate crime at ten times the rate as whites and blacks six times. So in total numbers that means that more white people are victimised. Understandable given the larger number of white people right? But what does this tell us about the "hate Criminals" That they are massively disproportionately non white. 1% of Asians and 0.7% of blacks is about 47,000 people. 0.1% of Whites is about 56,000 people. This means that 13% of the population is responsible for 56,000 hate crimes and that 87% of the population is responsible for 47,000 hate crimes. And that is accepting every hate crime against a non white is committed by white people. This doesn't stop the media and police pushing the hate crime narrative. It doesn't stop the police banning EDL marches, whilst allowing Muslims to burn Israeli flags in London.
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Post by dividavi on Dec 16, 2017 8:36:18 GMT
And look more closely at the hate crime numbers. There are 29 white people for every black person in the UK There are 17 white people for every Asian. Yet according to those percentages, Asians suffer hate crime at ten times the rate as whites and blacks six times. So in total numbers that means that more white people are victimised. Understandable given the larger number of white people right? But what does this tell us about the "hate Criminals" That they are massively disproportionately non white. 1% of Asians and 0.7% of blacks is about 47,000 people. 0.1% of Whites is about 56,000 people. This means that 13% of the population is responsible for 56,000 hate crimes and that 87% of the population is responsible for 47,000 hate crimes. And that is accepting every hate crime against a non white is committed by white people. This doesn't stop the media and police pushing the hate crime narrative. It doesn't stop the police banning EDL marches, whilst allowing Muslims to burn Israeli flags in London. It would be more informative if the UK government better described the categories of Asian, Black and White. People from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Hong Kong, Korea, Jordan, Vietnam and Iran are all Asian though they have nothing cultural in common. What about Turks and Israeli Jews resident in Britain? Are they Asians or Whites? I would guess the UK has its share of Moroccans and Algerians; they're not Asians. or maybe they are. In any case, when properly phrased, the question is how much of the crime is due to Muslims, not Asians or Africans. I haven't heard of any Hindu mafia in the UK, Filipino street gangs robbing passersby or Taiwanese prostitution clubs. Things like that probably do exist to some extent but it seems to be an overwhelmingly Muslim problem.
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Post by cupcakes on Dec 16, 2017 13:41:44 GMT
tpfkar The battle that resulted in the total expulsion of the Jews from the city? After a period where some were held in bondage to produce food for the Muslims and forced to pay tax? I wonder why referencing that in relation to Israel might be considered hateful....Its a mystery alright. And look more closely at the hate crime numbers. There are 29 white people for every black person in the UK There are 17 white people for every Asian. Yet according to those percentages, Asians suffer hate crime at ten times the rate as whites and blacks six times. So in total numbers that means that more white people are victimised. Understandable given the larger number of white people right? But what does this tell us about the "hate Criminals" That they are massively disproportionately non white. 1% of Asians and 0.7% of blacks is about 47,000 people. 0.1% of Whites is about 56,000 people. This means that 13% of the population is responsible for 56,000 hate crimes and that 87% of the population is responsible for 47,000 hate crimes. And that is accepting every hate crime against a non white is committed by white people. This doesn't stop the media and police pushing the hate crime narrative. It doesn't stop the police banning EDL marches, whilst allowing Muslims to burn Israeli flags in London. Sieg wut? The question on the table was "But what explanation are you offering for why certain minorities are overrepresented in certain crimes?"
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 16, 2017 14:48:15 GMT
And look more closely at the hate crime numbers. There are 29 white people for every black person in the UK There are 17 white people for every Asian. Yet according to those percentages, Asians suffer hate crime at ten times the rate as whites and blacks six times. So in total numbers that means that more white people are victimised. Understandable given the larger number of white people right? But what does this tell us about the "hate Criminals" That they are massively disproportionately non white. 1% of Asians and 0.7% of blacks is about 47,000 people. 0.1% of Whites is about 56,000 people. This means that 13% of the population is responsible for 56,000 hate crimes and that 87% of the population is responsible for 47,000 hate crimes. And that is accepting every hate crime against a non white is committed by white people. This doesn't stop the media and police pushing the hate crime narrative. It doesn't stop the police banning EDL marches, whilst allowing Muslims to burn Israeli flags in London. It would be more informative if the UK government better described the categories of Asian, Black and White. People from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Hong Kong, Korea, Jordan, Vietnam and Iran are all Asian though they have nothing cultural in common. What about Turks and Israeli Jews resident in Britain? Are they Asians or Whites? I would guess the UK has its share of Moroccans and Algerians; they're not Asians. or maybe they are. In any case, when properly phrased, the question is how much of the crime is due to Muslims, not Asians or Africans. I haven't heard of any Hindu mafia in the UK, Filipino street gangs robbing passersby or Taiwanese prostitution clubs. Things like that probably do exist to some extent but it seems to be an overwhelmingly Muslim problem. They do a far more comprehensive breakdown for education and economic success. Funnily enough the Muslims do shit there as well, easily outshone by Jews, Indians and East Asians. The media in the UK do this really interesting thing. If a Muslim commits a crime, he is "Asian" if a Muslim is the victim of a crime he is "Muslim" Except of course the BBC, who do their level best not top report on "Asian" crimes. Because we need to continue to paint Muslim as hapless victims of evil Europeans who don't do anything wrong. The Hindu and Sikh communities in the UK are starting to call this out. Every grooming scandal in the UK has been overwhelmingly committed by Pakistani men. They are invariably described as "Asian" when according to Quilliam 84% of them are Muslim. So far as I am aware, no East Asians have been involved but the 400,000 British Chinese can get lumped in because PC.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 17, 2017 0:46:50 GMT
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Post by cupcakes on Dec 18, 2017 9:49:31 GMT
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Post by Morgana on Dec 19, 2017 8:29:09 GMT
Seems like the arabs are over-reacting to me, there is no reason to get upset, conflict in the middle east is mostly due to tribal infractions not anything the US has power over. You have to remember these are people who still follow a dark ages religion and eat their young. This is why.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 19, 2017 19:28:14 GMT
Seems like the arabs are over-reacting to me, there is no reason to get upset, conflict in the middle east is mostly due to tribal infractions not anything the US has power over. You have to remember these are people who still follow a dark ages religion and eat their young. This is why. Sorry, my post was an attempt at humour, I recognize the stupidity of the monkey in charge.
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