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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 21, 2017 3:03:05 GMT
Whether you accept it or not, Israel considers Jerusalem to be its capital. Is there a time limit on this? Are we going to claim that Strasbourg is not French? Is Corsica French? Nobody but israel accepts it. Oh and the retard in charge of the USA. remember the France is German comment, the israelites are doing a nazi move. As I say, we clearly disagree, I see no point in continuing to explain to each other that we have different view points. Remember the Strasbourg comment?
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Post by gadreel on Dec 21, 2017 3:10:17 GMT
Nobody but israel accepts it. Oh and the retard in charge of the USA. remember the France is German comment, the israelites are doing a nazi move. As I say, we clearly disagree, I see no point in continuing to explain to each other that we have different view points. Remember the Strasbourg comment? so France was legitimately German territory? Sorry no. We disagree.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 21, 2017 20:36:54 GMT
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Post by maya55555 on Dec 21, 2017 20:50:34 GMT
ENJOY:
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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 21, 2017 22:49:46 GMT
Well, now, New Zealand isn't going to profit from another wave of radicalization in the area. The US is milking that cow. I flat out guarantee Trump is hoping for at least one major attack on US soil as a result. Things are slowing down ISIS way.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 21, 2017 22:58:38 GMT
Well, now, New Zealand isn't going to profit from another wave of radicalization in the area. The US is milking that cow. I flat out guarantee Trump is hoping for at least one major attack on US soil as a result. Things are slowing down ISIS way. That is an interesting observation, yes having an enemy has helped the US since 9/11. Of course since we normally send our special forces to save americas flabby ass sadly it looks like more kiwis will suffer from this
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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 21, 2017 23:02:02 GMT
Well, now, New Zealand isn't going to profit from another wave of radicalization in the area. The US is milking that cow. I flat out guarantee Trump is hoping for at least one major attack on US soil as a result. Things are slowing down ISIS way. That is an interesting observation, yes having an enemy has helped the US since 9/11. Of course since we normally send our special forces to save americas flabby ass sadly it looks like more kiwis will suffer from this Oh, dude, so MANY people will suffer for this. So Trumpy of Trump, to try and use foreign aid to force a pro vote from the UN. This crap won't work if people don't get on board.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 21, 2017 23:06:06 GMT
That is an interesting observation, yes having an enemy has helped the US since 9/11. Of course since we normally send our special forces to save americas flabby ass sadly it looks like more kiwis will suffer from this Oh, dude, so MANY people will suffer for this. So Trumpy of Trump, to try and use foreign aid to force a pro vote from the UN. This crap won't work if people don't get on board. Yeah you know your decision is a bad one if you have to bribe people to accept it. Did you see Erjen's waaarblgglblblgbl about the third temple. Sadly i think he has a point, there are a number of deluded people like him that this this will help bring about the rapture.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 21, 2017 23:09:31 GMT
Oh, dude, so MANY people will suffer for this. So Trumpy of Trump, to try and use foreign aid to force a pro vote from the UN. This crap won't work if people don't get on board. Yeah you know your decision is a bad one if you have to bribe people to accept it. Did you see Erjen's waaarblgglblblgbl about the third temple. Sadly i think he has a point, there are a number of deluded people like him that this this will help bring about the rapture. How many times do I have to tell you that I don't believe in "the Rapture" before you finally understand it? And next time, don't send your special forces to save America's flabby ass. You've only got one regiment of them anyway, don't you?
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Post by gadreel on Dec 21, 2017 23:13:31 GMT
Yeah you know your decision is a bad one if you have to bribe people to accept it. Did you see Erjen's waaarblgglblblgbl about the third temple. Sadly i think he has a point, there are a number of deluded people like him that this this will help bring about the rapture. How many times do I have to tell you that I don't believe in "the Rapture" before you finally understand it? And next time, don't send your special forces to save America's flabby ass. You've only got one regiment of them anyway, don't you? That is the first time. And if it were up to me i would not waste good kiwis on your stupid country. Meanwhile stop butting into conversations, your stupidity may be catching.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 21, 2017 23:17:28 GMT
How many times do I have to tell you that I don't believe in "the Rapture" before you finally understand it? And next time, don't send your special forces to save America's flabby ass. You've only got one regiment of them anyway, don't you? That is the first time. And if it were up to me i would not waste good kiwis on your stupid country. Meanwhile stop butting into conversations, your stupidity may be catching. Keep my name out of your filthy conversations, and I'll stop butting into them.
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Post by goz on Dec 21, 2017 23:52:02 GMT
Well done you! My frickin' country didn't have the balls to vote against it because we have namby pamby right wing government. Had Labour been in power we probably would have joined you!
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Post by gadreel on Dec 22, 2017 0:36:56 GMT
That is the first time. And if it were up to me i would not waste good kiwis on your stupid country. Meanwhile stop butting into conversations, your stupidity may be catching. Keep my name out of your filthy conversations, and I'll stop butting into them. When you have any kind of mana or respect from me I may consider doing what you request, meantime I think I am happy making fun of your lying dumb ass.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 22, 2017 0:39:04 GMT
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 22, 2017 17:44:56 GMT
Remember the Strasbourg comment? so France was legitimately German territory? Sorry no. We disagree. Is Strasbourg legitimate French territory?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Dec 27, 2017 15:43:30 GMT
How does ""Remember Khaybar, the army of Muhammad will come again" [referencing an ancient Islamic-Jewish battle] equate to "inciting racial hatred", exactly? For one thing the reference would be pretty obscure to many. It also refers to a battle - rather than a pogrom, say. Arguably, it is no different from Irish protestants marching to celebrate, or referencing, The Battle of the Boyne. Thor: It is still not anything like a pogrom as I said; just injustice visited on the losers - events common in history. Being forced to produce food and pay tax is on the lower end of outrages I would suggest. And these events, as already noted are not ones most people would even have heard of. Now, I don't doubt that there are some anti-semites who make distinctly hateful comments based around more recent, terrible events. But your example was weak and your outraged post was just shouting like a tabloid again.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 28, 2017 1:48:47 GMT
How does ""Remember Khaybar, the army of Muhammad will come again" [referencing an ancient Islamic-Jewish battle] equate to "inciting racial hatred", exactly? For one thing the reference would be pretty obscure to many. It also refers to a battle - rather than a pogrom, say. Arguably, it is no different from Irish protestants marching to celebrate, or referencing, The Battle of the Boyne. Thor: It is still not anything like a pogrom as I said; just injustice visited on the losers - events common in history. Being forced to produce food and pay tax is on the lower end of outrages I would suggest. And these events, as already noted are not ones most people would even have heard of. Now, I don't doubt that there are some anti-semites who make distinctly hateful comments based around more recent, terrible events. But your example was weak and your outraged post was just shouting like a tabloid again. You're not this stupid so why are you acting like it? If a bunch of skinheads were outside a Mosque chanting about The Crusades you would call them racists. You would accept that they were citing a conflict between Europeans and Muslims to provoke the Muslims. We both know it. If some Americans were chanting "Remember Hiroshima, the USAF will come again" outside a Japanese embassy, you wouldn't deny the message. So why when Muslims cite a battle where they defeated the Jews, evicted them and forced the few they let stay to labour for them paying additional tax for not being Muslim before finally being expelled from their homes. Then before saying the army will come again, can you not see the message? Is it a pathological, progressive need to defend Islam from all of its wrong doings? Or just Anti Semitism? Firstly, why are you writing [sic] ? You quoted me, don't try to be clever. Now, what the figures show you is that if you took all the people responsible for hate crimes, the majority of them wouldn't be White British. The figures are specifically for race hate crimes. The majority of victims are white, do the maths. Actually, you're wrong. Again. Burning a flag can be considered a Public Order Offence if the act is likely to cause alarm or distress. Do you think the Jews of London were either alarmed or distressed by Hezbollah flag carrying scum burning Israeli flags? Further it can be considered inciting racial or religious hatred if anyone reports it as such. And the burning of Israeli flags WAS reported, but the reports were not acted upon. Because Jews are not a minority that count anymore. And do you really want to imply that the EDL are somehow worse than the Hezbollah supporters given free reign in London?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Dec 28, 2017 14:46:15 GMT
Firstly, why are you writing [sic] ? You quoted me, don't try to be clever. One uses sic when there is a questionable text to confirm that it is indeed as was written. It is not 'clever' - just good English, my friend. I didn't deny any 'message' (I certainly got yours) I simply pointed out that you chose a weak example and why. I didn't even note that you seem to have a thing about Muslims, rather than other groups with noisy and objectionable elements. Perhaps because it was no surprise lol..
What HMG - and I agree with it - see from the figures that most religious hate crime is, as you admit I see, experienced by minorities - which is, still, the point in the context of your original post. (As in "The 2012/13 to 2014/15 CSEW showed that Muslim adults were the most likely to be a victim of religiously motivated hate crime (0.8%) Adults with an Asian ethnic group were more likely to be victims of a religiously motivated hate crime than adults of White ethnic group".) But I am sure the Daily Mail will appreciate the gesture proposing the mainly persecution of whites, brought up for reasons of your own, especially since (again from the HMG CSEW link, given last ) we read :
Feel free to extrapolate in your regular, imaginative, way.
I can only repeat the truism that there is no UK law which relates directly to the burning of flags. As you say, somewhat disingenuously, anything can be considered under a Public Order Offence if the act is likely to cause alarm or distress but that does not change my point. But if I burn the Union Jack on my bonfire at home I am unlikely to be charged with anything except under the Clean Air Act. I have often seen the Stars and Stripes abused in the UK on TV with no legal consequences, for instance. I hope that helps. As for Jews 'not counting any more' this is more of your usual hyperbole and something flatly contradicted both by the law and public pronouncements by public figures. Under the law Jews count just as much as any minority. In fact many are ascendant in UK society and good luck to them too. I leave all the implications to you; after all, you are so good at them.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 28, 2017 21:56:35 GMT
Firstly, why are you writing [sic] ? You quoted me, don't try to be clever. One uses sic when there is a questionable text to confirm that it is indeed as was written. It is not 'clever' - just good English, my friend. I didn't deny any 'message' (I certainly got yours) I simply pointed out that you chose a weak example and why. I didn't even note that you seem to have a thing about Muslims, rather than other groups with noisy and objectionable elements. Perhaps because it was no surprise lol..
What HMG - and I agree with it - see from the figures that most religious hate crime is, as you admit I see, experienced by minorities - which is, still, the point in the context of your original post. (As in "The 2012/13 to 2014/15 CSEW showed that Muslim adults were the most likely to be a victim of religiously motivated hate crime (0.8%) Adults with an Asian ethnic group were more likely to be victims of a religiously motivated hate crime than adults of White ethnic group".) But I am sure the Daily Mail will appreciate the gesture proposing the mainly persecution of whites, brought up for reasons of your own, especially since (again from the HMG CSEW link, given last ) we read :
Feel free to extrapolate in your regular, imaginative, way.
I can only repeat the truism that there is no UK law which relates directly to the burning of flags. As you say, somewhat disingenuously, anything can be considered under a Public Order Offence if the act is likely to cause alarm or distress but that does not change my point. But if I burn the Union Jack on my bonfire at home I am unlikely to be charged with anything except under the Clean Air Act. I have often seen the Stars and Stripes abused in the UK on TV with no legal consequences, for instance. I hope that helps. As for Jews 'not counting any more' this is more of your usual hyperbole and something flatly contradicted both by the law and public pronouncements by public figures. Under the law Jews count just as much as any minority. In fact many are ascendant in UK society and good luck to them too. I leave all the implications to you; after all, you are so good at them. I know why it is used. I also know why people use it on informal message boards.... I didn't "choose an example" That is what the protesters outside the US embassy in London were chanting. I'm sorry if the reference to expelling Jews was a bit obscure for you, but then I'm not protesting. But then you understand the message, you're just attempting to ignore it. *sigh* 0.1 % of the White population is 56,000 The combined total of the Asian and Black victims is 47,000 So even if we pretend that all racially motivated crimes against BAME Britons is done by white people, you would still have more minorities committing have crimes in total and it would be massively disproportionate per capita. Yes, well you burning a flag on your own property is totally the same as doing so in public. Only it isn't. So that is a terrible attempt to ignore the point. There is nothing at all disingenuous about pointing out how burning a national flag could be prosecuted under the Public Order Act. I don't agree, but then I don't make the law. Would you have the same attitude to the EDL burning the Irish flag in a predominantly Irish part of England? Would you consider that a provocation? Why are you so anti Semitic? That is simply pathetic. You actually can't form an opinion on whether the supporters of the EDL are more or less reprehensible than supporters of an actual terrorist organisation? Or are you just embarrassed by it?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Dec 29, 2017 11:40:15 GMT
*sigh* 0.1 % of the White population is 56,000. The combined total of the Asian and Black victims is 47,000 So even if we pretend that all racially motivated crimes against BAME Britons is done by white people, you would still have more minorities committing have [sic] crimes in total and it would be massively disproportionate per capita. As I said, feel free to imaginatively extrapolate (and not taking into account that someone can commit more than one crime, btw). And I appreciate what you are trying to do, and why. But this is still just an exchange concerning the groups most likely to experience hate crime - made amply clear in official statistics, which you do not dispute - rather than those most likely to commit them. But I think you really know that. Thank you for playing, though. Thank you for the characteristic non-sequiturs and diversion. But the fact remains that it is not illegal to burn a flag in the UK in and of itself, just as I said. I hope that helps. Please quote where I have been anti-Semitic. Or, rarely for me, I shall call you a nasty word for a serious gratuitous insult. I don't need to form an opinion just please you my friend which, being necessarily subjective, would carry just as weight as yours. In any case it appears you already have plenty of strong ones of your own to keep you writing here, an embarrassment of riches already.
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