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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Mar 6, 2017 23:08:52 GMT
How often have atheists heard Christians ask this? And as an atheist I'd love it if we could all leave everyone to their own beliefs. But the problem is that the religious don't actually want to do that. They want to force their morality on everyone else. Through laws and the education system. They want to indoctrinate their own children rather than letting them make their own minds up. They want to teach bronze age myths as facts and discredit science. They want to tell women what they are and are not allowed to do with their own bodies. They want to tell you who's allowed to love who and whether or not they're allowed to marry each other. They want to tell scientists what research they can and can't do. And so on.
So when the religious leave everyone else alone we'll leave them alone. Until then, they should try not to be so hypocritical. Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.
If they can manage to keep their delusions to themselves and ensure that they're only harming themselves in the process, they can believe whatever they want to believe as far as I'm concerned. Just stop trying to drag anyone else into to or expecting everyone else to accommodate your fantasies.
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Post by thefleetsin on Mar 6, 2017 23:42:52 GMT
just as soon as the religious decide to leave american politics, then they can be left alone.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 7, 2017 0:28:13 GMT
This is untrue.
The overwhelming majority of religious people do not care what you do. You can tell this is true because you are able to do whatever you want right now.
Quit being dishonest about this.
As far as I'm concerned you think I am forcing my morals on you solely because I have them and they're different from yours. Why are you so upset about that.
Now to be clear, whiny atheists are too slight a group even to play any significant role in my life so I would never care if atheists leave me alone or not. I could go months or years without catching one of them in the wild pretending to be persecuted. There's not common enough to annoy me beyond the places I willfully choose to go to like this board.
It is true that their insistence on lying about the danger they are in is a sign of being pathetic and untethered to reality and for that I do tend to pity them more than I should. It must be the Christian ideals at work. I don;t know how to turn them off.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 7, 2017 0:29:46 GMT
Whiny atheist: Wah Wah Wah! Look at me and listen to me say how stupid you are as a religious person!
Whiny atheist: Hey! Quit looking at me as that is persecution!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 7, 2017 0:30:14 GMT
just as soon as the religious decide to leave american politics, then they can be left alone. So you want most people to leave politics?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 1:16:42 GMT
Seems to me the Atheists are the ones doing the preaching and are also too narrow minded (or perhaps too eager to troll) and don't understand that a belief in the spiritual is not the same as a belief in any particular religion. Therefore it is a rather personal belief system.
In fact it is the Atheists who keep attacking and bringing the topic up. I for one would be happy to not mention by beliefs however the stupidity and irony of the Atheists is too amusing to ignore.
The Atheists are the ones on a recruiting drive here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 1:27:16 GMT
Seems to me the Atheists are the ones doing the preaching and are also too narrow minded (or perhaps too eager to troll) and don't understand that a belief in the spiritual is not the same as a belief in any particular religion. Therefore it is a rather personal belief system. In fact it is the Atheists who keep attacking and bringing the topic up. I for one would be happy to not mention by beliefs however the stupidity and irony of the Atheists is too amusing to ignore. The Atheists are the ones on a recruiting drive here. Well said, looks like the atheists are pretty unhappy people, all they do is BITCH on here.
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Post by awhina on Mar 7, 2017 4:17:19 GMT
If they can manage to keep their delusions to themselves and ensure that they're only harming themselves in the process, they can believe whatever they want to believe as far as I'm concerned. Just stop trying to drag anyone else into to or expecting everyone else to accommodate your fantasies. Arrogant twat much? A tad paranoid too, I suspect. When has any religious person actually harmed you or expected you to "accommodate" them?
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Post by skyhawk0 on Mar 7, 2017 5:29:01 GMT
This is untrue. The overwhelming majority of religious people do not care what you do. You can tell this is true because you are able to do whatever you want right now. Quit being dishonest about this. As far as I'm concerned you think I am forcing my morals on you solely because I have them and they're different from yours. Why are you so upset about that. Now to be clear, whiny atheists are too slight a group even to play any significant role in my life so I would never care if atheists leave me alone or not. I could go months or years without catching one of them in the wild pretending to be persecuted. There's not common enough to annoy me beyond the places I willfully choose to go to like this board. It is true that their insistence on lying about the danger they are in is a sign of being pathetic and untethered to reality and for that I do tend to pity them more than I should. It must be the Christian ideals at work. I don;t know how to turn them off. He's not being dishonest. The issue is terms. He's talking in overarching terms but addressing a real dynamic that's out there. And clearly you weren't taking issue with the same overarching terms framed towards atheists in the subject. But you're being dishonest here. You can't actually not understand that people have been persecuted, seriously so, for not holding the beliefs of the majority. This isn't even old history. Kentucky fairly recently barred atheists from holding public office. Would you consider such minor if they barred Christians or blacks or women from holding public office? If you want to talk about your Christian ideals at work, demonstrate that principle matters to you. The problem is when people only look to what faces their own. If we can't address a principle about how we treat everyone and should be treated ourselves that applies regardless of labels, then there's no hope.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 7, 2017 5:52:42 GMT
How often have atheists heard Christians ask this? And as an atheist I'd love it if we could all leave everyone to their own beliefs. But the problem is that the religious don't actually want to do that. They want to force their morality on everyone else. Through laws and the education system. They want to indoctrinate their own children rather than letting them make their own minds up. They want to teach bronze age myths as facts and discredit science. They want to tell women what they are and are not allowed to do with their own bodies. They want to tell you who's allowed to love who and whether or not they're allowed to marry each other. They want to tell scientists what research they can and can't do. And so on. So when the religious leave everyone else alone we'll leave them alone. Until then, they should try not to be so hypocritical. Judge not lest ye be judged yourself. If they can manage to keep their delusions to themselves and ensure that they're only harming themselves in the process, they can believe whatever they want to believe as far as I'm concerned. Just stop trying to drag anyone else into to or expecting everyone else to accommodate your fantasies. Then go to the polls and vote against them. Or start your own country.
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Post by awhina on Mar 7, 2017 7:38:44 GMT
How often have atheists heard Christians ask this? And as an atheist I'd love it if we could all leave everyone to their own beliefs. But the problem is that the religious don't actually want to do that. They want to force their morality on everyone else. Through laws and the education system. They want to indoctrinate their own children rather than letting them make their own minds up. They want to teach bronze age myths as facts and discredit science. They want to tell women what they are and are not allowed to do with their own bodies. They want to tell you who's allowed to love who and whether or not they're allowed to marry each other. They want to tell scientists what research they can and can't do. And so on. So when the religious leave everyone else alone we'll leave them alone. Until then, they should try not to be so hypocritical. Judge not lest ye be judged yourself. If they can manage to keep their delusions to themselves and ensure that they're only harming themselves in the process, they can believe whatever they want to believe as far as I'm concerned. Just stop trying to drag anyone else into to or expecting everyone else to accommodate your fantasies. Then go to the polls and vote against them. Or start your own country. Oh that would be too much like work! He would rather moan about where he is.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 7, 2017 11:44:56 GMT
This is untrue. The overwhelming majority of religious people do not care what you do. You can tell this is true because you are able to do whatever you want right now. Quit being dishonest about this. As far as I'm concerned you think I am forcing my morals on you solely because I have them and they're different from yours. Why are you so upset about that. Now to be clear, whiny atheists are too slight a group even to play any significant role in my life so I would never care if atheists leave me alone or not. I could go months or years without catching one of them in the wild pretending to be persecuted. There's not common enough to annoy me beyond the places I willfully choose to go to like this board. It is true that their insistence on lying about the danger they are in is a sign of being pathetic and untethered to reality and for that I do tend to pity them more than I should. It must be the Christian ideals at work. I don;t know how to turn them off. He's not being dishonest. The issue is terms. He's talking in overarching terms but addressing a real dynamic that's out there. And clearly you weren't taking issue with the same overarching terms framed towards atheists in the subject. But you're being dishonest here. You can't actually not understand that people have been persecuted, seriously so, for not holding the beliefs of the majority. This isn't even old history. Kentucky fairly recently barred atheists from holding public office. Would you consider such minor if they barred Christians or blacks or women from holding public office? If you want to talk about your Christian ideals at work, demonstrate that principle matters to you. The problem is when people only look to what faces their own. If we can't address a principle about how we treat everyone and should be treated ourselves that applies regardless of labels, then there's no hope. He is most certanly be dishonest about the scope of danger . It simply doesn't exist in non-sucky countries. The religious and non-religious overall agree on the notion of freedom for and from religion. This can;t even be disputed without turning to the extremes or the miniscule. As I already said, no one needs a premise as goofy as "I would stop picking on you if you would stop picking on me". The religious in non-sucky countries decided ages ago that you could disagree with beliefs that aren't your own. An atheist can definitely leave the religious alone and live happily ever after with no harm coming to them in the slightest. Whiny atheists are just overly sensitive about everything. They are weak minded. I also understand that people can feel persecuted (The irony of which is lost on Opie) and I also get that people die because some loony religious guy decided to shoot up some people. However, don't for one second pretend that you, Opie, or anyone else w on this board has been persecuted for their lack of belief or that the MO of religious people of any faith (Although let';s face, Opie is discussing Christians) is force and harm. Their mental anguish over mine is not my problem. As I stated once again, the OVERWHELMING majority of religious people have done nothing to the people who think they are being persecuted. It simply doesn't happen and I challenge you or anyone else to prove my dishonesty on this point. I welcome it at this point since it never happens.
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Post by tickingmask on Mar 7, 2017 12:50:57 GMT
He's talking in overarching terms... If that's Skyhawk-speak for "He's making a stupid brain-dead generalisation, that doesn't apply to the vast majority of religious people, in order to try and justify his own boorish behaviour" then you definitely got that one right.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 7, 2017 13:06:53 GMT
tpfkar Simply not true, regardless of how much you pronounce it so. And I can tell you who sounds "whiny" and "weak minded", positively ErJenish in this exchange. You can play pretend all you like when you're not the one bearing the brunt. The truth is there's legislation and tacit blacklisting and worse. Doing nothing is a huge part of the problem. She's Not a Christian!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 7, 2017 14:31:44 GMT
Mar 7, 2017 8:06:53 GMT -5 cupcakes said:Simply not true, regardless of how much you pronounce it so. And I can tell you who sounds "whiny" and "weak minded", positively ErJenish in this exchange. It's completely true. No one is out to get an atheist. It's irrational to even think that.
Test it out.
Name just ONE way that I have forced you to do anything.
100% of the time, the answer you give will be the height of irrationality, paranoia, or retardation.
Like what?
You may live in a sucky country like North Korea and for that I got no answer, but in the normal ones that the posters here come from, atheists have been living happily alongside the overwhelming majority of people that are religious for decades.
Wat.
This makes no sense whatsoever.
What the heck are we supposed to be doing for the whiny atheist?
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 7, 2017 15:00:35 GMT
tpfkar Dude, you're just silly. "You" are not all Christians, and even you act like an ass frequently. You are always funny when your irritation really gets going. You might as well be ErJen. "Others have it worse" will never be anything but a facile excuse from morally-corrupted assholes. If only all you did was nothing. I believe it's still pretty clear from this exchange who the whiny one is. She's Not a Christian!
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 7, 2017 16:47:52 GMT
How often have atheists heard Christians ask this? And as an atheist I'd love it if we could all leave everyone to their own beliefs. But the problem is that the religious don't actually want to do that. They want to force their morality on everyone else. Through laws and the education system. They want to indoctrinate their own children rather than letting them make their own minds up. They want to teach bronze age myths as facts and discredit science. They want to tell women what they are and are not allowed to do with their own bodies. They want to tell you who's allowed to love who and whether or not they're allowed to marry each other. They want to tell scientists what research they can and can't do. And so on. So when the religious leave everyone else alone we'll leave them alone. Until then, they should try not to be so hypocritical. Judge not lest ye be judged yourself. If they can manage to keep their delusions to themselves and ensure that they're only harming themselves in the process, they can believe whatever they want to believe as far as I'm concerned. Just stop trying to drag anyone else into to or expecting everyone else to accommodate your fantasies. This is the issue in a nutshell.
And it is ingrained, part and parcel of religious belief - conversion. I know that because I grew up in it. My aged mother is still trying to "save" me, though I haven't been a card-carrying Christian since my college years, which was when I started seeing the inconsistencies of the bible, the paintings of christians torturing non-believers or members of another religion.
Edit - I hit the post button accidentally. To continue:
In retrospect, I became an agnostic theist at that point. It was a long road to agnostic atheism; I wandered through Buddhism for a while, looked at other religions and finally came to the conclusion that they were all wrong, because none of them changed as science began to discover more and more about reality.
I have never told my mother flat-out that I am an atheist. I leave her wondering, because at her age, she has spent her whole life as a believer and the brutal truth that I reject everything about her faith would be just cruel to her. I make off-handed generic remarks that sort of sound Christian, I donate to faith-associated groups that do humanist work, like feeding the hungry or housing the homeless. I would do that anyway, and if there was an atheist group that did those things, I would donate to them, too.
But openly stating my atheism would forever change how my mother relates to me and to herself. She would think she somehow made a mistake in my upbringing. But it has definitely negatively affected our relationship because I can't be honest with her. She is overtly honest with me; tells me how often she prays for me and my health, but I can't say to her, " I don't pray for you, Mother, I make sure you get to the doctor in the real world and that your meds are set up correctly."
When she has passed away, I will still have to be less than completely truthful about my atheism because there are still so many people in the area that I live who believe the way my mother does. Only on an anonymous board can I safely challenge religion. I did it once, in the local newspaper many years ago; I challenged an openly Christian politician about the separation of church and state, my name was published with the article, and I received death threats on the phone.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 7, 2017 16:59:19 GMT
How often have atheists heard Christians ask this? And as an atheist I'd love it if we could all leave everyone to their own beliefs. But the problem is that the religious don't actually want to do that. They want to force their morality on everyone else. Through laws and the education system. They want to indoctrinate their own children rather than letting them make their own minds up. They want to teach bronze age myths as facts and discredit science. They want to tell women what they are and are not allowed to do with their own bodies. They want to tell you who's allowed to love who and whether or not they're allowed to marry each other. They want to tell scientists what research they can and can't do. And so on. So when the religious leave everyone else alone we'll leave them alone. Until then, they should try not to be so hypocritical. Judge not lest ye be judged yourself. If they can manage to keep their delusions to themselves and ensure that they're only harming themselves in the process, they can believe whatever they want to believe as far as I'm concerned. Just stop trying to drag anyone else into to or expecting everyone else to accommodate your fantasies. This is the issue in a nutshell.
And it is ingrained, part and parcel of religious belief - conversion. I know that because I grew up in it. My aged mother is still trying to "save" me, though I haven't been a card-carrying Christian since my college years, which was when I started seeing the inconsistencies of the bible, the paintings of christians torturing non-believers or members of another religion.
Conversion does not happen without choice making this point silly and moot as proven by your own life experience.
There remains no issue.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 7, 2017 17:26:19 GMT
This is the issue in a nutshell.
And it is ingrained, part and parcel of religious belief - conversion. I know that because I grew up in it. My aged mother is still trying to "save" me, though I haven't been a card-carrying Christian since my college years, which was when I started seeing the inconsistencies of the bible, the paintings of christians torturing non-believers or members of another religion.
Conversion does not happen without choice making this point silly and moot as proven by your own life experience.
There remains no issue.
Read the rest of my post; I edited because I hit the post button accidentally, and had more to say on the subject.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Mar 7, 2017 18:04:21 GMT
Some religious people have a hard time minding their own business as evidenced by efforts to convert others or influence laws for non religious people.
As far as conversions go, I argue that religious people should be letting their scriptures and teachings speak for them. If people are interested in spiritual matters these days they can research all churches near them on the internet. Attempting to convert people face to face when they have access to the internet is like saying 'I don't think you're smart enough to research and make your own decision when it comes to religion'.
If you have to convince someone that what you say is the truth then maybe it isn't the truth.
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