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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 22:55:47 GMT
Don't make me laugh! It fucking sucked! As advertised in the trailer, the cinematography actually was nice and the costuming actually was great. Other than that, Rian Johnson's vision was about as pleasant and heart-warming as a queef. We had two important characters from TFA shit on like they never should have existed, we had another who was pushed into a singular scene that could have been cut like some kind of silly side thought, we had two OT characters evolve in ridiculous, mystifying ways and our two central characters were dulled by horrible development. The plot was the galactic equivalent of watching paint dry. I could think of a hundred better things to center a story on than one ship chasing another ship at sublight for an entire fucking movie.
On top of that, the tongue-in-cheek humor took any serious audience member out of the Star Wars mentality. You get one line! One! Like in TFA where Poe says "Who talks first?" to Kylo. One line and it works. When you have an entire scene that recalls the directing style of the "Wassup!!!!" commercials or the "can you hear me now" commercials, you can't blame your audience if they stop taking you seriously. It was like Rian Johnson was pissing his pants with excitement to ruin the saga and his movie. It's as if Abrams' worst enemy kidnapped Rian Johnson's family and said "I'll kill them all if you don't do your very best to dismantle Abram's characters!" and Rian Johnson not only complied, but jacked off with surreal giddiness when he did it and then finale'd all over the first six movies just so he could prove how dumb some of us were to think Star Wars could have/should have been added to.
Fuck Kennedy. Fuck Disney. And fuck Rian Johnson most of all.
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Post by Surly on Dec 15, 2017 23:42:10 GMT
Don't make me laugh! It fucking sucked! As advertised in the trailer, the cinematography actually was nice and the costuming actually was great. Other than that, Rian Johnson's vision was about as pleasant and heart-warming as a queef. We had two important characters from TFA shit on like they never should have existed, we had another who was pushed into a singular scene that could have been cut like some kind of silly side thought, we had two OT characters evolve in ridiculous, mystifying ways and our two central characters were dulled by horrible development. The plot was the galactic equivalent of watching paint dry. I could think of a hundred better things to center a story on than one ship chasing another ship at sublight for an entire fucking movie.
On top of that, the tongue-in-cheek humor took any serious audience member out of the Star Wars mentality. You get one line! One! Like in TFA where Poe says "Who talks first?" to Kylo. One line and it works. When you have an entire scene that recalls the directing style of the "Wassup!!!!" commercials or the "can you hear me now" commercials, you can't blame your audience if they stop taking you seriously. It was like Rian Johnson was pissing his pants with excitement to ruin the saga and his movie. It's as if Abrams' worst enemy kidnapped Rian Johnson's family and said "I'll kill them all if you don't do your very best to dismantle Abram's characters!" and Rian Johnson not only complied, but jacked off with surreal giddiness when he did it and then finale'd all over the first six movies just so he could prove how dumb some of us were to think Star Wars could have/should have been added to.
Fuck Kennedy. Fuck Disney. And fuck Rian Johnson most of all.
Don't kid yourself, pal. Kathleen Kennedy shadowed this movie closely as head of LucasFilm. As she has all Star Wars movies. JJ Abrams also shadowed this movie closely as he was executive producer on this film. They have allowed Johnson to borrow writing and directing duties for this one film. Neither one of them would've allowed Rian Johnson to put out this product if they didn't like it or want it. You've seen how quickly Kennedy, Abrams, and Kasdan have made heads roll when people in charge don't play puppet or lemming to their direction and control. They would've made Johnson change it or fire him and start reshoots. Kennedy, Abrams, and Johnson are all guilty! This movie wouldn't have been that way unless KK and JJ wanted it that way!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 23:49:23 GMT
Don't make me laugh! It fucking sucked! As advertised in the trailer, the cinematography actually was nice and the costuming actually was great. Other than that, Rian Johnson's vision was about as pleasant and heart-warming as a queef. We had two important characters from TFA shit on like they never should have existed, we had another who was pushed into a singular scene that could have been cut like some kind of silly side thought, we had two OT characters evolve in ridiculous, mystifying ways and our two central characters were dulled by horrible development. The plot was the galactic equivalent of watching paint dry. I could think of a hundred better things to center a story on than one ship chasing another ship at sublight for an entire fucking movie.
On top of that, the tongue-in-cheek humor took any serious audience member out of the Star Wars mentality. You get one line! One! Like in TFA where Poe says "Who talks first?" to Kylo. One line and it works. When you have an entire scene that recalls the directing style of the "Wassup!!!!" commercials or the "can you hear me now" commercials, you can't blame your audience if they stop taking you seriously. It was like Rian Johnson was pissing his pants with excitement to ruin the saga and his movie. It's as if Abrams' worst enemy kidnapped Rian Johnson's family and said "I'll kill them all if you don't do your very best to dismantle Abram's characters!" and Rian Johnson not only complied, but jacked off with surreal giddiness when he did it and then finale'd all over the first six movies just so he could prove how dumb some of us were to think Star Wars could have/should have been added to.
Fuck Kennedy. Fuck Disney. And fuck Rian Johnson most of all.
Don't kid yourself, pal. Kathleen Kennedy shadowed this movie closely as head of LucasFilm. As she has all Star Wars movies. JJ Abrams also shadowed this movie closely as he was executive producer on this film. They have allowed Johnson to borrow writing and directing duties for this one film. Neither one of them would've allowed Rian Johnson to put out this product if they didn't like it or want it. You've seen how quickly Kennedy, Abrams, and Kasdan have made heads roll when people in charge don't play puppet or lemming to their direction and control. They would've made Johnson change it or fire him and start reshoots. Kennedy, Abrams, and Johnson are all guilty! This movie wouldn't have been that way unless KK and JJ wanted it that way! Fine, buddy, fuck them too!!!!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 15, 2017 23:54:23 GMT
WORSE than TFA!!!1
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 16, 2017 0:05:09 GMT
Can someone please contact the admin to advise them that winterssuicide's account has been hacked...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 0:16:55 GMT
Can someone please contact the admin to advise them that winterssuicide's account has been hacked... Lol, may as well delete the account. I'll give it a few days before I do that, but that's how I feel right now. What's the point? Star Wars is officially dead.
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Post by darksidebeadle on Dec 16, 2017 0:20:56 GMT
Yeah this film sucked so bad, MCU humor in overdrive, terrible writing, twists for the sake of twists and heading more towards the prequel ascthetic
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 16, 2017 0:41:34 GMT
Can someone please contact the admin to advise them that winterssuicide's account has been hacked... He's fulfilling his destiny.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 16, 2017 1:53:22 GMT
Can someone please contact the admin to advise them that winterssuicide's account has been hacked... @winterssuicide is pissed. And I can't say I blame him. Abrams created this really intriguing character in Snoke, knowing from the beginning that it was more of his mystery box nonsense. Then novels are written to build up the substance of characters he would interact with, and the sequel trilogy "universe" in general. Websites entertain fans to speculate on his identity. All along he was just a throwaway character. And when Rian Johnson whacked him off as a point to progress the plot, without having any more significance beyond that, Abrams and Kennedy gleefully green-lighted it. (In typical Abrams fashion). Getting pissed started for me in TFA. I just couldn't buy into all of Rey's connection to the Force. Although some of it was arguably explainable. Too many issues. Then the rehash was overdone. But the real red flag for me was Luke's lightsaber from TESB turning up in Maz's keepsake chest. Something about it set off alarms in my head and said "JJ Abrams mystery box! This will get people asking a lot of questions but never be explained!" And I start seeing more and more of those type of issues from there. Too bad. I actually liked some of @winterssuicide 's fanfic theories on Snoke. But I was still slightly apprehensive. Something about the way Abrams kept insisting that Snoke was not a Sith. But he refused to tease anything about him other than he was tall. Turns out, yep! Just more Jar Jar Abrams that Johnson was allowed to kill off in insignificant fashion because he was insignificant all along.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 2:35:44 GMT
Can someone please contact the admin to advise them that winterssuicide's account has been hacked... @winterssuicide is pissed. And I can't say I blame him. Abrams created this really intriguing character in Snoke, knowing from the beginning that it was more of his mystery box nonsense. Then novels are written to build up the substance of characters he would interact with, and the sequel trilogy "universe" in general. Websites entertain fans to speculate on his identity. All along he was just a throwaway character. And when Rian Johnson whacked him off as a point to progress the plot, without having any more significance beyond that, Abrams and Kennedy gleefully green-lighted it. (In typical Abrams fashion). Getting pissed started for me in TFA. I just couldn't buy into all of Rey's connection to the Force. Although some of it was arguably explainable. Too many issues. Then the rehash was overdone. But the real red flag for me was Luke's lightsaber from TESB turning up in Maz's keepsake chest. Something about it set off alarms in my head and said "JJ Abrams mystery box! This will get people asking a lot of questions but never be explained!" And I start seeing more and more of those type of issues from there. Too bad. I actually liked some of @winterssuicide 's fanfic theories on Snoke. But I was still slightly apprehensive. Something about the way Abrams kept insisting that Snoke was not a Sith. But he refused to tease anything about him other than he was tall. Turns out, yep! Just more Jar Jar Abrams that Johnson was allowed to kill off in insignificant fashion because he was insignificant all along. I'm starting to think you're right, which is also frustrating. Not because I was wrong, but because I didn't need to be. All those things in TFA could have been paid off. The whole thing feels like a ship without udder now. They even went into Vader's lightsaber in the Aftermath trilogy like it was going to play a role in canon future, possibly paying off into the reemergence of Luke's lightsaber. Why else bring it up? Wouldn't that be the logical thing to do? Some kind of story riff about spiritual residue? They did it in the EU. That's what is even more disappointing. The EU provides a thousand ways to tie all the trilogies together and a thousand ways to pay off all those mystery boxes in TFA. Take your pick. I can only conclude that these people running this disaster aren't really Star Wars fans. I wasn't really writing fanfic. That fanfic was just organic because some of it was already alluded to in the EU. I only supplied bridges from the previous movies to TFA to the mystery boxes and I used established lore to do it. And listen, the Plagueis stuff would have only been a bonus. They could have made Snoke "just Snoke" and I would have been happy. Make him a new character, give him some cool backstory and let's roll. But when TFA featured Vader lore, most of the OT cast, Luke's light saber, etc., I was under the false impression that the filmmakers were trying to tie all nine movies together. That would have been easy to do and it's what should have been done. But even if it hadn't, they should have at least tied the movies in this trilogy together (all you really have to do is continue to develop Snoke and don't kill him until IX to accomplish that). The way i see it, TLJ really has nothing at all to do with TFA. They have the same characters, but other than that, they are not drawn together in any way. And the chink in the armor is only going to widen in Ep. IX. I can only imagine how untethered that movie will feel considering this one feels broken and it's the middle movie.
I still don't support the Mary Sue business, but I've bought into the idea now that this is just the "Reylo Trilogy" and any good character that gets in the way of those two finally getting to fuck is going to be discarded. Twilight set against a galaxy far, far away...
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 16, 2017 8:45:30 GMT
Can someone please contact the admin to advise them that winterssuicide's account has been hacked... Lol, may as well delete the account. I'll give it a few days before I do that, but that's how I feel right now. What's the point? Star Wars is officially dead. Ha, I feel bad you saying that - don't lose hope, JJ can surely fix everything in Episode IX no? Keep the faith... It's a shame because I remember going back to the old imdb boards days there were very few of us who'd defend TFA (usually with the defence of let's wait and see how it's explained in VIII) and to your credit you stuck firm as long as possible 👍
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 16, 2017 8:53:15 GMT
All along he was just a throwaway character. I think you give JJ too much credit here - all along he wasn't anything. Well, he wasn't anything more than a Palpatine copy / paste. Rian Johnson then just did with him as he pleased, which was only possible because there never was any "trilogy" mapped out either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 11:47:43 GMT
If they get a director who wants to write and his script sucks, it’s on the head honchos to get rid of him. They did it to Trevorrow, they should have done it to Rian Johnson.
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Post by audiosane on Dec 16, 2017 12:02:44 GMT
If they get a director who wants to write and his script sucks, it’s on the head honchos to get rid of him. They did it to Trevorrow, they should have done it to Rian Johnson. But here's the thing. Can anyone name a good director they've picked so far? IMHO, all these guys are mediocre to competent at best. Nothing special. I'm not talking about the replacement directors, like Ron Howard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 15:24:22 GMT
Lol, may as well delete the account. I'll give it a few days before I do that, but that's how I feel right now. What's the point? Star Wars is officially dead. Ha, I feel bad you saying that - don't lose hope, JJ can surely fix everything in Episode IX no? Keep the faith... It's a shame because I remember going back to the old imdb boards days there were very few of us who'd defend TFA (usually with the defence of let's wait and see how it's explained in VIII) and to your credit you stuck firm as long as possible 👍 It's like a sports team. You argue about whether you should focus on teamwork or a star stud, defense or offense, up-tempo or down-tempo...and fans argue about what will work and what won't work, but in the end, the results speak for themselves. The team who wins the championship clearly had the right strategy. Same with this. If VIII paid VII off in a good way, VII can be looked at as a great start to a great trilogy. But VIII made a mockery of VII instead and so now VII is, by default, downgraded.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 16, 2017 16:34:05 GMT
It wasn't even the humor that bothered me all that much. It was the cringe-worthy one-liners that literally only Arnie himself could pull off...but they tried it with Finn. And Luke.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 16, 2017 16:48:04 GMT
The only thing I didn't like about it is the same I feel about some of the X-men movies. It has that feel of being the story that comes before or after the real movie. Something that should have been left to an exposition conversation. Or added to the opening crawl about them being hounded by the First Order after destroying the Starkiller base. Yeah, we got Poe's story of going from cocky hero to leader, but we also see that in Luke and Han from ANH to ESB off screen. In a way, I think they should rebrand this Episode 7 part 2. It kinda feels like the 2nd half of 1 movie.
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Post by themanwithnoshame on Dec 16, 2017 18:36:34 GMT
If they get a director who wants to write and his script sucks, it’s on the head honchos to get rid of him. They did it to Trevorrow, they should have done it to Rian Johnson. They drank too much mango beer and their vision got clouded.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 16, 2017 18:55:27 GMT
If they get a director who wants to write and his script sucks, it’s on the head honchos to get rid of him. They did it to Trevorrow, they should have done it to Rian Johnson. But here's the thing. Can anyone name a good director they've picked so far? IMHO, all these guys are mediocre to competent at best. Nothing special. I'm not talking about the replacement directors, like Ron Howard. I still think the choice of director should largely be utterly irrelevant, e.g. I have absolutely no problem with JJ's actual directing job on TFA - it looked great, authentic old school Star Wars. What should have been completely relevant though - especially once they decided to give George Lucas the bullet - was getting a hugely competent, respected writer onboard who really was a huge Star Wars fan (beyond the obligatory "big fan" soundbites they've all made) to, at minimum, outline the story of the entire trilogy, what the start / end points of each episide had to be, with anything that needed to be revealed inbetween, making sure the whole thing tied in with, and respected, the rest of the Saga.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 19:18:44 GMT
But here's the thing. Can anyone name a good director they've picked so far? IMHO, all these guys are mediocre to competent at best. Nothing special. I'm not talking about the replacement directors, like Ron Howard. I still think the choice of director should largely be utterly irrelevant, e.g. I have absolutely no problem with JJ's actual directing job on TFA - it looked great, authentic old school Star Wars. What should have been completely relevant though - especially once they decided to give George Lucas the bullet - was getting a hugely competent, respected writer onboard who really was a huge Star Wars fan (beyond the obligatory "big fan" soundbites they've all made) to, at minimum, outline the story of the entire trilogy, what the start / end points of each episide had to be, with anything that needed to be revealed inbetween, making sure the whole thing tied in with, and respected, the rest of the Saga. I agree completely with this. They could have hired half of the people on this board to take said job and we'd at least have an authentic SW story. But this garbage, well all I can say to Kennedy and the rest of the creative steering committee:
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