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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 22:39:35 GMT
Ok, from force awakens no less. Can we agree this all discussion is moot? I'm not changing your mind you are not changing mine. I'll give you this: blue milk from the tit. Not the best scene ever. Now will you be so kind as to name one small irrelevant thing you liked? Or you just hated it all from beginning to end? I'll give you more than one: costuming, cinematography, acting, effects were all good. But none of that matters if the story sucked and this story sucked moof tits. ok then. You hated the story. Fair enough. I wasn't too keen on why didn't the first order Star destroyers jump ahead and just catch them coming around also. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 22:46:52 GMT
I'll give you more than one: costuming, cinematography, acting, effects were all good. But none of that matters if the story sucked and this story sucked moof tits. ok then. You hated the story. Fair enough. I wasn't too keen on why didn't the first order Star destroyers jump ahead and just catch them coming around also. Or why our heroes never thought of the kamikaze light speed attack. There are a lot of cringe-worthy moments and plot holes and if I'm being perfectly honest, I could've overlooked all of that. I could've even gotten over the terrible, boring plot of one ship chasing another for 2.5 hours, including the unnecessary side trips. I fiercely hated what they did with pretty much every character in the movie and I hated the way (or lack of way) they answered TFA's mystery boxes and I will not ever forgive Rian Johnson or the current Disney creative team for how they irreverently treated the saga. If they want to fire Kennedy and the rest of the gang, I'll give Disney another chance. But as long as she and her ilk are running the storylines, I truly have zero desire to watch (even for free) what they have up their sleeves. I could write a better, more reverent story in a day. |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 22:53:53 GMT
ok then. You hated the story. Fair enough. I wasn't too keen on why didn't the first order Star destroyers jump ahead and just catch them coming around also. Or why our heroes never thought of the kamikaze light speed attack. There are a lot of cringe-worthy moments and plot holes and if I'm being perfectly honest, I could've overlooked all of that. I could've even gotten over the terrible, boring plot of one ship chasing another for 2.5 hours, including the unnecessary side trips. I fiercely hated what they did with pretty much every character in the movie and I hated the way (or lack of way) they answered TFA's mystery boxes and I will not ever forgive Rian Johnson or the current Disney creative team for how they irreverently treated the saga. If they want to fire Kennedy and the rest of the gang, I'll give Disney another chance. But as long as she and her ilk are running the storylines, I truly have zero desire to watch (even for free) what they have up their sleeves. I could write a better, more reverent story in a day. the Kamikaze is a flaw of tlj or all the other movies? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 22:58:17 GMT
Or why our heroes never thought of the kamikaze light speed attack. There are a lot of cringe-worthy moments and plot holes and if I'm being perfectly honest, I could've overlooked all of that. I could've even gotten over the terrible, boring plot of one ship chasing another for 2.5 hours, including the unnecessary side trips. I fiercely hated what they did with pretty much every character in the movie and I hated the way (or lack of way) they answered TFA's mystery boxes and I will not ever forgive Rian Johnson or the current Disney creative team for how they irreverently treated the saga. If they want to fire Kennedy and the rest of the gang, I'll give Disney another chance. But as long as she and her ilk are running the storylines, I truly have zero desire to watch (even for free) what they have up their sleeves. I could write a better, more reverent story in a day. the Kamikaze is a flaw of tlj or all the other movies? That's what I mean by how bad TLJ was. TLJ was so bad that its flaws weren't isolated to itself. It retroactively destroyed TFA in general, and, yes, in this case, it seems it introduced a flaw into all the other movies. |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 23:03:57 GMT
the Kamikaze is a flaw of tlj or all the other movies? That's what I mean by how bad TLJ was. TLJ was so bad that its flaws weren't isolated to itself. It retroactively destroyed TFA in general, and, yes, in this case, it seems it introduced a flaw into all the other movies. You hate that they had a great idea that nobody had before? For the other movies defense that wouldn't work against a DS. Maybe damage it, but not destroy it for sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 23:11:22 GMT
That's what I mean by how bad TLJ was. TLJ was so bad that its flaws weren't isolated to itself. It retroactively destroyed TFA in general, and, yes, in this case, it seems it introduced a flaw into all the other movies. You hate that they had a great idea that nobody had before? For the other movies defense that wouldn't work against a DS. Maybe damage it, but not destroy it for sure. Sure about that? It's just a dumb idea in general. Aim would have to be exactly spot on to make contact. A millisecond too late or a millimeter in the wrong direction and nothing would've happened. That's why it wasn't tried in previous films, because the writers thought things through a little in previous films. These aren't stationary objects. They're moving thousands of miles per hour, not necessarily in a straight line and space is a very large object compared to the size of the vessels. The whole idea is stupid when you start taking into account the science around it. |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 23:13:55 GMT
You hate that they had a great idea that nobody had before? For the other movies defense that wouldn't work against a DS. Maybe damage it, but not destroy it for sure. Sure about that? It's just a dumb idea in general. Aim would have to be exactly spot on to make contact. A millisecond too late or a millimeter in the wrong direction and nothing would've happened. That's why it wasn't tried in previous films, because the writers thought things through a little in previous films. These aren't stationary objects. They're moving thousands of miles per hour, not necessarily in a straight line and space is a very large object compared to the size of the vessels. The whole idea is stupid when you start taking into account the science around it. Pretty sure. It didn't destroy smokes sd and that's got a mass a lot lower than a ds. But I agree it wouldn't work always and it's a great loss for a rebel fleet to loose a cruiser in agamble. last resort kind of thing. Not sure when on the other trilogies they could pull something like that. Maybe againsttheparked SD in rotj but that's it.e |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 20, 2017 0:21:37 GMT
I know there’s quite a collection of terrible scenes in this movie but what stood out as just horrible or cringe worthy to you? I’d say “Super Leia” had to be the worst. It was so god awful only a pathetic fanboy would defend it. Easily the worst scene in the entire saga. IMO, when Luke died... of exertion. Had he died any other way I would have been fine. I kinda expected him to die anyway.
But I was like "why is he dying"? He wasn't there! He couldn't have gotten hurt. Surely a Jedi Master should be able to project an illusion, even though its really far away, without dying! Snoke was able to connect the minds of Rey and Kylo AND his own across light years without breaking a sweat! Surely Luke at this point was powerful enough to do the same!
I felt like they had him die... just because.
p.s. I didn't have that much of problem with the Leia scene, because I accepted it as she was conscious enough to use the force to protect herself. Simple. I guess I'm a pathetic fanboy. lol
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 20, 2017 0:26:39 GMT
Aight is it just me or did Kylo Ren look severely dis proportioned in that shirtless scene? Its the effect of working out only some parts of your body with weights, and not the rest. Its the arms and chest work out, lol!
You see lunk heads in the gym like that all the time. He still has a thin neck, and I'll bet he has skinny legs too.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 20, 2017 0:29:09 GMT
I wouldn't go that far but it was a huge disappointment. I'm not a Star Wars fanboy so I watched it with low expectations and it didn't even reach those. TFA is a masterpiece by comparison. The 150 minute runtime felt A LOT longer. Rose was the Jar Jar of this movie-- cut her scenes completely or minimize them at least. But what about the Chinese market that she was cynically shoehorned into the movie to assuage despite being an untalented chud of an actress who bragged and giggled about knowing nothing about Star Wars and whose ignorance shows on screen with every single shot she's in?!?!!1 Geez, Colden, I'm starting to have my doubts about you, buddy. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 20, 2017 0:48:39 GMT
I though it was beautiful and finnaly we see Leia using the Force. A minor force power but still. At the expense of: all previous canon films' Force lore, the laws of physics, all previous films' equity/credibility in terms of space combat, common sense, and the execution was goofy AF. BUT WOW LET'S JUST TURN ARE BRANEZ OFF AND STUFF POPCORN DOWN ARE GULLETZ AND WATCH A STAR WAR!!!1 Innit?  Try this for some food for thought. Hear me out:
At the expense of all previous canon films' Force lore: No, every previous movie has shown different force users using the force in different ways. We didn't know a force user could block a laser shot o show up as a ghost until ESB. We'd never seen force lightning until ROTJ. We didn't know not all Jedi DONT disappear when they die until TPM. We didn't find out how they could until ROTS. We'd never seen anyone stop a laser in mid air or freeze people until TFA. Every movie has shown slightly different things here and there. There is NO hard core lore.
The laws of physics... Are circumvented by the force, which is just a sci-fi Star Wars version of magic.
All previous films' equity/credibility in terms of space combat: Again, dodgy at best. This is the franchise that made us believe we can hear sound in space!
Common sense: Which should tell you she was using the force!
The execution was goofy AF: Okay, yes. That's true. I didn't mind WHAT was happening, but I did mind the way they shot that scene. She did look silly floating back to the ship. Maybe if they had found another way to execute it we wouldn't even be talking about it.
For me it's this simple: She survived because she was using the force, and was conscious enough to continue using it, to pull herself to safety. Its not that unacceptable.
So what do you think? Maybe?
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Post by ryboto on Dec 20, 2017 13:37:27 GMT
At the expense of: all previous canon films' Force lore, the laws of physics, all previous films' equity/credibility in terms of space combat, common sense, and the execution was goofy AF. BUT WOW LET'S JUST TURN ARE BRANEZ OFF AND STUFF POPCORN DOWN ARE GULLETZ AND WATCH A STAR WAR!!!1 Innit? Try this for some food for thought. Hear me out:
At the expense of all previous canon films' Force lore: No, every previous movie has shown different force users using the force in different ways. We didn't know a force user could block a laser shot o show up as a ghost until ESB. We'd never seen force lightning until ROTJ. We didn't know not all Jedi DONT disappear when they die until TPM. We didn't find out how they could until ROTS. We'd never seen anyone stop a laser in mid air or freeze people until TFA. Every movie has shown slightly different things here and there. There is NO hard core lore.
The laws of physics... Are circumvented by the force, which is just a sci-fi Star Wars version of magic.
All previous films' equity/credibility in terms of space combat: Again, dodgy at best. This is the franchise that made us believe we can hear sound in space!
Common sense: Which should tell you she was using the force!
The execution was goofy AF: Okay, yes. That's true. I didn't mind WHAT was happening, but I did mind the way they shot that scene. She did look silly floating back to the ship. Maybe if they had found another way to execute it we wouldn't even be talking about it.
For me it's this simple: She survived because she was using the force, and was conscious enough to continue using it, to pull herself to safety. Its not that unacceptable.
So what do you think? Maybe?
Force lore- Everything we see in Lucas's films after ANH is an expansion of the idea that the force is an energy field and people who are sensitive to it, and can control it, can affect how that energy field interacts with the physical world. Minds are all neurons and can be influenced by the energy, people exist in it, as do objects, so they can be manipulated...a blaster bolt is a different form of energy, but it still has 'the force' around it, so it can be manipulated...it's pretty damn simple. What you're shown is just different applications of the same stuff. The laws of physics in the SW universe are not circumvented by the force. TFA changed the laws of relativity in the SW universe though, yes absolutely. |
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