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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 2:42:10 GMT
Admin ummmm because it is stupid and slanderous? I don't expect intelligent responses from you though.
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Post by Admin on Mar 12, 2017 2:50:26 GMT
Admin ummmm because it is stupid and slanderous? I don't expect intelligent responses from you though. You're wasting your time here, @crypticanomaly. Troll elsewhere. I hear MovieChat is good place for people like you.
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 12, 2017 3:45:06 GMT
I am sad but not surprised that nothing was done about it. I have become pretty disillusioned with this board. Trump has admitted to sexually assaulting women and was accused by a former wife of raping her. What is it about trump that causes you to throw all your supposed "feminist" leanings out the window? When did Trump admit sexually assaulting anyone?
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 12, 2017 5:01:49 GMT
Your poll doesn't really have an option that fits me. There is certainly "hate speech" but I am strongly against prohibiting it or socially penalizing it, and I don't believe that it's categorically bad. If people can't deal with strong negative opinions about them, that's their problem.FYI, hate speech is defined as hate directed towards groups, not individuals. Saying Jews are evil would be hate speech; saying you are evil wouldn't be. A lot of conventional definitions have it being pertinent to individuals, too, but in either event, it's individuals that have a problem with it or not, who deal with it or not, etc. and groups are collections of individuals.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 5:08:09 GMT
Your poll doesn't really have an option that fits me. There is certainly "hate speech" but I am strongly against prohibiting it or socially penalizing it, and I don't believe that it's categorically bad. If people can't deal with strong negative opinions about them, that's their problem.FYI, hate speech is defined as hate directed towards groups, not individuals. Saying Jews are evil would be hate speech; saying you are evil wouldn't be. You f^cking Jew.
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 12, 2017 5:36:13 GMT
Lets be fair. Hate Speech is a thought crime. It is a fad by the out of touch and people with personal agendas. Some figures.
In 2015 in the UK police recorded 65000 "hate crimes" Of which 22750 were violent. Of which 6000 causes injury. So basically 6000 were actual assaults.
The BEM population of the uk is around 8,000,000 people. So 0.3% of the BEM population suffered from this type of crime in the UK in two years. And that is assuming that all the crime was racially motivated, which it isn't and that all victims are non white, which they aren't.
Now overall the UK had 4,300,000 recorded violent crimes. So 6.6% of the population suffered a violent attack.
So yeah, lets pretend that racial violence is a massive problem, when it clearly isn't.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 12, 2017 5:44:26 GMT
Lets be fair. Hate Speech is a thought crime. It is a fad by the out of touch and people with personal agendas. Some figures. In 2015 in the UK police recorded 65000 "hate crimes" Of which 22750 were violent. Of which 6000 causes injury. So basically 6000 were actual assaults. The BEM population of the uk is around 8,000,000 people. So 0.3% of the BEM population suffered from this type of crime in the UK in two years. And that is assuming that all the crime was racially motivated, which it isn't and that all victims are non white, which they aren't. Now overall the UK had 4,300,000 recorded violent crimes. So 6.6% of the population suffered a violent attack. So yeah, lets pretend that racial violence is a massive problem, when it clearly isn't. Grab your heart medicine, folks. For once, I actually agree with the word "clearly."
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 12, 2017 6:09:57 GMT
Lets be fair. Hate Speech is a thought crime. It is a fad by the out of touch and people with personal agendas. Some figures. In 2015 in the UK police recorded 65000 "hate crimes" Of which 22750 were violent. Of which 6000 causes injury. So basically 6000 were actual assaults. The BEM population of the uk is around 8,000,000 people. So 0.3% of the BEM population suffered from this type of crime in the UK in two years. And that is assuming that all the crime was racially motivated, which it isn't and that all victims are non white, which they aren't. Now overall the UK had 4,300,000 recorded violent crimes. So 6.6% of the population suffered a violent attack. So yeah, lets pretend that racial violence is a massive problem, when it clearly isn't. Grab your heart medicine, folks. For once, I actually agree with the word "clearly." Now I'm going to say the following before some regressive dick comes along with "but it being a low number doesn't make it not a problem, why do you hate black people you fascist?" Yes, 0.3% is too many. But what do we achieve by targeting "hate speech?" It obviously doesn't seem to have the effect of making minorities get beat up every time they leave the house. All it does is force racial division. we have in the UK a system where throwing bacon at a Mosque can get you a year in prison, but stealing my car will only land you six months max. So protecting the feelings of the religious is more important to the state than protecting the property of the individual. That is arse backwards. You try explaining to the guy who has had his car stolen three times that the feels of the local Muslims are more important than his financial loss, then wonder why people begin to resent minorities.
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Post by Admin on Mar 12, 2017 6:12:51 GMT
we have in the UK a system where throwing bacon at a Mosque can get you a year in prison, but stealing my car will only land you six months max. That's messed up.
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 12, 2017 6:51:12 GMT
we have in the UK a system where throwing bacon at a Mosque can get you a year in prison, but stealing my car will only land you six months max. That's messed up. Yes, but when I brought it up on the old IMBD, guess what I got called? The people trying to defend minorities are generally lunatics because they advocate a system that does not afford equal protection to all members of society. Look at crap like Buzzfeed, it can say the most ignorant, hate filled stuff about white men all day long. Never censored, never demonitised. Same on Twitter. Threaten to kill white people? Thats fine, criticise Black Lives Matter? banned. All this does is validate anti white bigotry, it confirms the victim narrative and alienates white people. This is so obvious it baffles me that lefty types cannot see it. Throw in some "cultural appropriation" as well, white people are evil for having dreadlocks, but black people can dye their hair blond, thats fine. So now blacks can take "white culture" and call white people anything they like, but if a white person says anything about blacks or takes some aspect of "black culture" they are some kind of oppressive shitlord. Lets try together to figure out why Trump won? You want a "melting pot?" A nation of different ethnicities and religions living in one nation state in harmony? It isn't going to happen while you demonise the majority. And again, I will be called a racist because I expect the state to treat people equally.
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Post by londonbird on Mar 12, 2017 10:11:32 GMT
we have in the UK a system where throwing bacon at a Mosque can get you a year in prison, but stealing my car will only land you six months max. That's messed up. And incorrect. The two men were jailed for 8 months but out on probation in far less. They also threw the bacon inside the mosque whilst shouting enjoy fuckers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 10:20:51 GMT
Admin I'm a genuine member actually but believe as you wish.
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 12, 2017 11:09:22 GMT
And incorrect. The two men were jailed for 8 months but out on probation in far less. They also threw the bacon inside the mosque whilst shouting enjoy fuckers. Actually no. One woman in Scotland was sentenced to 12 months and her partner to nine months. Kevin Crehan was sentenced to 12 months and died in prison after six. Probation has nothing to do with it and even if you were right, 8 months is still more than six.
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Post by phludowin on Mar 12, 2017 11:11:26 GMT
we have in the UK a system where throwing bacon at a Mosque can get you a year in prison, but stealing my car will only land you six months max. Even if this were true (londonbird suggested it isn't): So what?
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 12, 2017 12:04:33 GMT
we have in the UK a system where throwing bacon at a Mosque can get you a year in prison, but stealing my car will only land you six months max. Even if this were true (londonbird suggested it isn't): So what? Firstly, it is true. Whether they received the sentence or not, which they did, I stated that "it can get you a year in prison" which it can, this is a fact. Car theft carries a maximum of six months in prison, also a fact. So she was wrong. Secondly, I have already said what the problem is.
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Post by phludowin on Mar 12, 2017 12:57:17 GMT
Even if this were true (londonbird suggested it isn't): So what? Firstly, it is true. Whether they received the sentence or not, which they did, I stated that "it can get you a year in prison" which it can, this is a fact. Car theft carries a maximum of six months in prison, also a fact. So she was wrong. Secondly, I have already said what the problem is. Ok, let's assume that it's possible to get 12 months just for bacon on a mosque. You still haven't said what the problem is. You said in an earlier post that it's "arse backwards". This is merely your opinion. Nobody has to agree with it, and as long as no one does, it's not a problem. And even if some people do agree (possibly some people who got their car stolen): The UK is a democracy. If you don't like the laws and their sentences, vote for parties that will change that.
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 12, 2017 13:17:35 GMT
Firstly, it is true. Whether they received the sentence or not, which they did, I stated that "it can get you a year in prison" which it can, this is a fact. Car theft carries a maximum of six months in prison, also a fact. So she was wrong. Secondly, I have already said what the problem is. Ok, let's assume that it's possible to get 12 months just for bacon on a mosque. You still haven't said what the problem is. You said in an earlier post that it's "arse backwards". This is merely your opinion. Nobody has to agree with it, and as long as no one does, it's not a problem. And even if some people do agree (possibly some people who got their car stolen): The UK is a democracy. If you don't like the laws and their sentences, vote for parties that will change that. Okay, since you can't be bothered to read. The things I have, that I pay for. That I earned. That not only did I pay for, I also paid 20% tax on are less protected under law than feelings. Now, feelings are subjective. They are not quantifiable by a lawcourt. There is no way to determine if the feelings were actually hurt and to what extent. Lets look at one case, since you keep casting doubt on the jail term. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-27941589Vs me having a car stolen Cost to replace my car, second hand, £14,000 Average time of insurance claim settlement, two weeks. So I would lose two weeks salary. So "hurt feelings" 12 months in prison Actual financial loss and deprivation of property, six months in prison.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 13:28:33 GMT
Ok, let's assume that it's possible to get 12 months just for bacon on a mosque. You still haven't said what the problem is. You said in an earlier post that it's "arse backwards". This is merely your opinion. Nobody has to agree with it, and as long as no one does, it's not a problem. And even if some people do agree (possibly some people who got their car stolen): The UK is a democracy. If you don't like the laws and their sentences, vote for parties that will change that. Okay, since you can't be bothered to read. The things I have, that I pay for. That I earned. That not only did I pay for, I also paid 20% tax on are less protected under law than feelings. Now, feelings are subjective. They are not quantifiable by a lawcourt. There is no way to determine if the feelings were actually hurt and to what extent. Lets look at one case, since you keep casting doubt on the jail term. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-27941589Vs me having a car stolen Cost to replace my car, second hand, £14,000 Average time of insurance claim settlement, two weeks. So I would lose two weeks salary. So "hurt feelings" 12 months in prison Actual financial loss and deprivation of property, six months in prison. Lets cut to the chase. What do you think should have been the sentence given to those to individuals for smearing bacon on a mosque door handle and shouting racial slurs to the occupants? What should have been the sentence given to the two thugs who racially abused my girlfriend by calling her spear chucker and n****r last year. Answer those questions honestly if you can please.
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 12, 2017 13:33:04 GMT
Okay, since you can't be bothered to read. The things I have, that I pay for. That I earned. That not only did I pay for, I also paid 20% tax on are less protected under law than feelings. Now, feelings are subjective. They are not quantifiable by a lawcourt. There is no way to determine if the feelings were actually hurt and to what extent. Lets look at one case, since you keep casting doubt on the jail term. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-27941589Vs me having a car stolen Cost to replace my car, second hand, £14,000 Average time of insurance claim settlement, two weeks. So I would lose two weeks salary. So "hurt feelings" 12 months in prison Actual financial loss and deprivation of property, six months in prison. Lets cut to the chase. What do you think should have been the sentence given to those to individuals for smearing bacon on a mosque door handle and shouting racial slurs to the occupants? What should have been the sentence given to the two thugs who racially abused my girlfriend by calling her spear chucker and n****r last year. Answer those questions honestly if you can please. First case, community service and or a fine. Second one same thing, possibly a custodial sentence of upto six months based on severity. Note, that is a completely different crime and circumstance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 13:41:18 GMT
Lets cut to the chase. What do you think should have been the sentence given to those to individuals for smearing bacon on a mosque door handle and shouting racial slurs to the occupants? What should have been the sentence given to the two thugs who racially abused my girlfriend by calling her spear chucker and n****r last year. Answer those questions honestly if you can please. First case, community service and or a fine. Second one same thing, possibly a custodial sentence of upto six months based on severity. Note, that is a completely different crime and circumstance. So a fine and community service is an appropriate punishment for racially abusing the mother of my child? Ok then. Tells me all I need to know about you.
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