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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 3:32:47 GMT
So... Vader is Luke's father! WOW! ....oh wait, that was ESB. Skip to next spoiler. Rey's parents are nobodies? WTF? Then WHY is she so important/talented and at the center of this trilogy? If she's not related to anyone then it's just totally random that she's the hero, innit? And most importantly: WHY EVEN CREATE THIS MYSTERY ABOUT HER ORIGIN?  Perhaps I should withhold judgement until I see the movie. |
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Post by pete8680 on Dec 17, 2017 3:49:40 GMT
Here comes Rey Retcon for 2 years.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 17, 2017 5:07:11 GMT
So... Vader is Luke's father! WOW! ....oh wait, that was ESB. Skip to next spoiler. Rey's parents are nobodies? WTF? Then WHY is she so important/talented and at the center of this trilogy? If she's not related to anyone then it's just totally random that she's the hero, innit? And most importantly: WHY EVEN CREATE THIS MYSTERY ABOUT HER ORIGIN? Perhaps I should withhold judgement until I see the movie. Because that's how JJ Abrams "mystery box" nonsense works! He creates a compelling question about the story or a character without an answer to it. He has no intention of answering it. He just wants you to follow the mystery of it. By the time you realize that there's not going to be answers it's too late. You've already given enough of your money and time to his story that the better part of it is over.
He did it with Rey's parents. You saw TFA. So you know how much time was spent on the story talking about it. You know how much emotional investment the Rey character put into wanting to know her parents. Even her Force vision touched on it, as if there secret identities were somebody important.
But the answer is nothing. He had no answer. And since Abrams never intended Rey to be a Skywalker and had no designs of re-entering the Kenobi bloodline back into this trilogy to serve as Rey's family... Rian Johnson just wrote her parents in as nobodies. Deadbeat junk dealers who sold her for a cheap buck. There's not even an onscreen appearance of them. Kylo just tells her he saw it in a vision. And the even stranger part about it is that Rey had an intense Force vision about their identity and got nothing at the end of it. Just her reflection staring back at her. This is what happens when you let JJ Abrams write the beginnings of franchise story. In this case the sequel trilogy to Star Wars. |
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Dec 17, 2017 5:33:21 GMT
I would've went with a originally planned-from-the-beginning subversion lampshaded inside the movie by some Kreia-expy and inspired by KOTOR 2 instead of the hackjob by Abrams.
"Perhaps you were expecting some surprise, for me to reveal a secret that had eluded you, something that would change your perspective of events, shatter you to your core. There is no great revelation, no great secret. There is only you."
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Post by darkpast on Dec 17, 2017 5:40:55 GMT
Lucasfilm will probably be like buy these books to find out why she is special
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Post by kleinreturns on Dec 17, 2017 8:23:28 GMT
So... Vader is Luke's father! WOW! ....oh wait, that was ESB. Skip to next spoiler. Rey's parents are nobodies? WTF? Then WHY is she so important/talented and at the center of this trilogy? If she's not related to anyone then it's just totally random that she's the hero, innit? And most importantly: WHY EVEN CREATE THIS MYSTERY ABOUT HER ORIGIN? Perhaps I should withhold judgement until I see the movie. Because that's how JJ Abrams "mystery box" nonsense works! He creates a compelling question about the story or a character without an answer to it. He has no intention of answering it. He just wants you to follow the mystery of it. By the time you realize that there's not going to be answer it's too late. You've already given enough of your money and time to his story that the better part of it is over.
He did it with Rey's parents. You saw TFA. So you know how much time was spent on the story talking about it. You know how much emotional investment the Rey character put into wanting to know her parents. Even her Force vision touched on it, as if there secret identities were somebody important.
But the answer is nothing. He had no answer. And since Abrams never intended Rey to be a Skywalker and had no designs of re-entering the Kenobi bloodline back into this trilogy to serve as Rey's family... Rian Johnson just wrote her parents in as nobodies. Deadbeat junk dealers who sold her for a cheap buck. There's not even an onscreen appearance of them. Kylo just tells her he saw it in a vision. And the even stranger part about it is that Rey had an intense Force vision about their identity and got nothing at the end of it. Just her reflection staring back at her. This is what happens when you let JJ Abrams write the beginnings of franchise story. In this case the sequel trilogy to Star Wars. ^^^This. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 17, 2017 15:27:31 GMT
Here comes Rey Retcon for 2 years. I am almost certain they're gonna retcon it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 22:33:26 GMT
So... Vader is Luke's father! WOW! ....oh wait, that was ESB. Skip to next spoiler. Rey's parents are nobodies? WTF? Then WHY is she so important/talented and at the center of this trilogy? If she's not related to anyone then it's just totally random that she's the hero, innit? And most importantly: WHY EVEN CREATE THIS MYSTERY ABOUT HER ORIGIN? Perhaps I should withhold judgement until I see the movie. No, you got it right and it's a very good question. The more time elapses, the more I buy into Waxer's spiel. I never watched Lost. Maybe I should have had my guts wrenched back then instead of now. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 22:40:10 GMT
Maybe sometimes who someone's parents has no impact on what he or she can be. The Force does move in mysterious ways. I just hope that something more is shown about her years and last weeks on Jakku before she was swept up into the story, because I think it would be interesting to know.
Sadly it could never be told, or then again it could be. Guess we will find out when the storytelling is finished.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:03:47 GMT
She’s a force sensitive. They can be born to non-force sentsitives.
Her parents were lesbian moms Mary and Sue.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 1:02:26 GMT
Maybe sometimes who someone's parents has no impact on what he or she can be. The Force does move in mysterious ways. I just hope that something more is shown about her years and last weeks on Jakku before she was swept up into the story, because I think it would be interesting to know. Sadly it could never be told, or then again it could be. Guess we will find out when the storytelling is finished. I agree with what you're saying, but if that was planned to be the case they shouldn't have made her origin a mystery. I don't mind a new character with no familial connection to the previous ones. I just need a real concrete answer as to why Rey of all people is this trilogy's chosen one. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 18, 2017 1:05:28 GMT
I honestly would have been okay with her being the reincarnation of Anakin, over what we got.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 1:07:26 GMT
I honestly would have been okay with her being the reincarnation of Anakin, over what we got. Maybe the protagonist of the next trilogy will be a reincarnation of Ackbar!🐙 |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 18, 2017 1:08:20 GMT
I honestly would have been okay with her being the reincarnation of Anakin, over what we got. Maybe the protagonist of the next trilogy will be a reincarnation of Ackbar!🐙 We can only hope ! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 1:42:52 GMT
I honestly would have been okay with her being the reincarnation of Anakin, over what we got. Ha ha, I thought the same thing. For two years I've been thinking, "well that's a stupid idea," but damn, I sure do wish it was the case now. She was a pretty decent character with a lot of potential and now she ain't worth a shit. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 19:23:42 GMT
I honestly would have been okay with her being the reincarnation of Anakin, over what we got. Ha ha, I thought the same thing. For two years I've been thinking, "well that's a stupid idea," but damn, I sure do wish it was the case now. She was a pretty decent character with a lot of potential and now she ain't worth a shit. So I'm curious (having still not seen TLJ) if you liked Rey in TFA what changed for you here? Was it the revelation about her parents? Or something else? |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 18, 2017 19:44:22 GMT
I honestly would have been okay with her being the reincarnation of Anakin, over what we got. Ha ha, I thought the same thing. For two years I've been thinking, "well that's a stupid idea," but damn, I sure do wish it was the case now. She was a pretty decent character with a lot of potential and now she ain't worth a shit. Unless Kylo was lying, there is always that possibility... (But she sensed it, but kylo put that thought in her head) Why oh why people just assume everything is as is in Star Wars? Nothing is as is, everything is from a certain point of view. You should know that by now... The PT ruined that part of SW for those not fortunate to see the OT first. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 19:46:37 GMT
Ha ha, I thought the same thing. For two years I've been thinking, "well that's a stupid idea," but damn, I sure do wish it was the case now. She was a pretty decent character with a lot of potential and now she ain't worth a shit. So I'm curious (having still not seen TLJ) if you liked Rey in TFA what changed for you here? Was it the revelation about her parents? Or something else? 1. Part of her intrigue in TFA was her heritage. After TLJ, her heritage isn't worth a mini series in a comic book. 2. She was rigidly principled in TFA. In TLJ, her principles melt in Kylo's hot gaze. 3. I gave a pass to her immense raw power in TFA because I assumed she would still need and receive training from Luke, which would then legitimize her place as a powerful Jedi. In TLJ, she receives no training from Luke, and, in fact, bests him in a quick duel. She then goes on to discover everything on her own while Luke pouts in a corner. 4. In TFA, she's wearing capris, but I gave her a pass because she was an orphan on a backwater desert planet. In TLJ, she's still wearing capris and she had plenty of time to put on something decent. That one's true, but a joke. 5. In TFA, she barely knows Kylo. In TLJ, she still barely knows him, but for some stupid reason, believes she can turn him from the dark side. It's high school girl crush silliness. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 19:54:24 GMT
Ha ha, I thought the same thing. For two years I've been thinking, "well that's a stupid idea," but damn, I sure do wish it was the case now. She was a pretty decent character with a lot of potential and now she ain't worth a shit. Unless Kylo was lying, there is always that possibility... (But she sensed it, but kylo put that thought in her head) Why oh why people just assume everything is as is in Star Wars? Nothing is as is, everything is from a certain point of view. You should know that by now... The PT ruined that part of SW for those not fortunate to see the OT first. You claimed to work for Disney- how close were you to the production of this movie? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 19:55:46 GMT
Ha ha, I thought the same thing. For two years I've been thinking, "well that's a stupid idea," but damn, I sure do wish it was the case now. She was a pretty decent character with a lot of potential and now she ain't worth a shit. Unless Kylo was lying, there is always that possibility... (But she sensed it, but kylo put that thought in her head) Why oh why people just assume everything is as is in Star Wars? Nothing is as is, everything is from a certain point of view. You should know that by now... The PT ruined that part of SW for those not fortunate to see the OT first. Nah, her parents are junkers. Every other plot thread that RJ actually addressed in this movie was done so in as lame a way as could be imagined. I see no reason to believe that he's feinting like this is another lame answer, but secretly has some great trick up his sleeve. Nah, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...uh..I...uh and I won't get fooled again. Disney pulled the wool over my eyes with TFA. They'll never the chance again. I'll still check out certain Marvel films, but they've taken my last token on Star Wars. |
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