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Post by petrolino on Dec 18, 2017 0:25:34 GMT
The Seahawks got decimated by the Rams tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:25:42 GMT
Unfortunately, that doesn't matter in the rule. wasn't he touched by the defender when his knee was down? and he still had control of the ball? then reaching over the goal line the ground caused the fumble? No, he most definitely wasn't touched by the defender, which is why he continued to extend the play. TD. Only after the ball was already in the end zone, he was touched.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Dec 18, 2017 0:25:46 GMT
NE - Pitts game....I hate to say but wasnt the guy from NE offsides? Watch the final play, he looked offsides. The guy in the middle looked offsides, Im confused. That's why imho the final play looked hectic, I think they all felt he was offsides. The guy in the middle looked offsides to me.
Also, this td bs rule is bs, he was going for the TD...jesus christ.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:27:20 GMT
next time you give it a watch - watch his knee the whole time... he has possession when his knee is down - granted he didn't cross the goal line - but looked to me like the ground caused the fumble - after his knee was down..... Doesn't matter if he fumbled later because the ball was already inside the end zone. Knee down with full control = catch. Nobody touched him so he continued to extend the play. Ball broke the line = TD. Then and only then the ball moved, but by that point it was already a TD. That's the way I see it, and I think I'm right. looking at it as he broke the plain - do you think the ground caused the fumble? i did. maybe i'll have to watch it again - waiting to see a replay. from what i saw his knee was down, thought he was in the vicinity of a defender who touched him (while his knee was down) then he broke the goal line with control of the ball and the ground caused the fumble. even if he wasn't touched by a defender - it looked to me like he had control and the ground caused the fumble maybe i'm wrong won't be the first time need to watch it again. to me it was either a TD or Pit ball inside the 1.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:29:54 GMT
wasn't he touched by the defender when his knee was down? and he still had control of the ball? then reaching over the goal line the ground caused the fumble? No, he most definitely wasn't touched by the defender, which is why he continued to extend the play. TD. Only after the ball was already in the end zone, he was touched. what about the ground causing the fumble? do you think he lost control of the ball before his hands/ball hit the ground? from what i saw - i thought the ground caused it - so if he wasn't touched by a defender and wasn't down when his knee hit - shouldn't it still be ruled a TD if the ground caused the fumble/for him to lose possession?
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Post by Xeliou66 on Dec 18, 2017 0:29:59 GMT
wasn't he touched by the defender when his knee was down? and he still had control of the ball? then reaching over the goal line the ground caused the fumble? No, he most definitely wasn't touched by the defender, which is why he continued to extend the play. TD. Only after the ball was already in the end zone, he was touched. He wasn’t touched by the defender until after he was in the EZ, but the ball got out of his possession right when it hit the EZ so it wasn’t a TD or a catch, just because the receivers knee was down doesn’t mean the play is over in the NFL or that the catch is complete. I think the refs got it right.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:32:01 GMT
Doesn't matter if he fumbled later because the ball was already inside the end zone. Knee down with full control = catch. Nobody touched him so he continued to extend the play. Ball broke the line = TD. Then and only then the ball moved, but by that point it was already a TD. That's the way I see it, and I think I'm right. looking at it as he broke the plain - do you think the ground caused the fumble? i did. maybe i'll have to watch it again - waiting to see a replay. from what i saw his knee was down, thought he was in the vicinity of a defender who touched him (while his knee was down) then he broke the goal line with control of the ball and the ground caused the fumble. even if he wasn't touched by a defender - it looked to me like he had control and the ground caused the fumble maybe i'm wrong won't be the first time need to watch it again. to me it was either a TD or Pit ball inside the 1. This thing of the ground causing the fumble has been changed. The rule now is that you need to keep control at all times. But the essential point here, is that no, he wasn't touched at all when he had his knee down and full control. That's a catch to me. Then, if nobody touches him, just like in any other play, you can be down and stand up and keep running, right? It's not like in college (in the college game, if you're down, you are down, but in the NFL you need to be touched to be down). So, next he extended his arm to the end zone AND BROKE THE LINE. Only then he hit the ground with the ball that then moved, and only then he was touched. In my opinion nothing of this matters any longer because the ball had already crossed the line. I think what the refs failed to realize is that he had his knee down with full control at about a half-yard from the end zone, THEN, as he was never touched, he extended his arm into the end zone and scored the TD.
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Post by GiantFan1980 on Dec 18, 2017 0:32:55 GMT
Titans defense was non existent on that last 49ers drive. Tennessee deserved to lose.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:33:04 GMT
Wow! The Niners win at the last second and help the Jaguars keep control of the division on top of having clinched a playoff spot. I like it!
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Dec 18, 2017 0:34:23 GMT
I don't know about all that, but just give them the ball at the 1. Really, his knee hits the ground and he has full control. I think the rules should be objective rather than subjective. He has full control and his knee hits the ground. Make the rule that this is a catch. You can tell objectively where a knee is and whether the ball is moving. If the receiver is then open enough to lunge forward that's part of the carry and not the catch. Just put an Aussie like me on the rules committee and I'll fix it up lickety split.
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Post by sdm3 on Dec 18, 2017 0:35:36 GMT
Nice little 3 game winning streak for the 49ers!
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Post by NJtoTX on Dec 18, 2017 0:36:24 GMT
Niners don't seem to care about that draft pick now that they have Garrapolo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:37:22 GMT
looking at it as he broke the plain - do you think the ground caused the fumble? i did. maybe i'll have to watch it again - waiting to see a replay. from what i saw his knee was down, thought he was in the vicinity of a defender who touched him (while his knee was down) then he broke the goal line with control of the ball and the ground caused the fumble. even if he wasn't touched by a defender - it looked to me like he had control and the ground caused the fumble maybe i'm wrong won't be the first time need to watch it again. to me it was either a TD or Pit ball inside the 1. This thing of the ground causing the fumble has been changed. The rule now is that you need to keep control at all times. But the essential point here, is that no, he wasn't touched at all when he had his knee down and full control. That's a catch to me. Then, if nobody touches him, just like in any other play, you can be down and stand up and keep running, right? It's not like in college (in the college game, if you're down, you are down, but in the NFL you need to be touched to be down). So, next he extended his arm to the end zone AND BROKE THE LINE. Only then he hit the ground with the ball that then moved, and only then he was touched. In my opinion nothing of this matters any longer because the ball had already crossed the line. I think what the refs failed to realize is that he had his knee down with full control at about a half-yard from the end zone, THEN, as he was never touched, he extended his arm into the end zone and scored the TD. Wasn't aware of the ground causing a fumble rule change. That being said - like you - I think it's got to be a touchdown if he wasn't touched by a defender when his knee was down. I'm sure we've all seen a QB hand off to a running back inside the one and the RB tries to leap over the pile and outstretch his arms/hands/ball over the goal line and a defender swats it away - but the ball has broken the goal line and is ruled a touchdown.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:38:37 GMT
No, he most definitely wasn't touched by the defender, which is why he continued to extend the play. TD. Only after the ball was already in the end zone, he was touched. He wasn’t touched by the defender until after he was in the EZ, but the ball got out of his possession right when it hit the EZ so it wasn’t a TD or a catch, just because the receivers knee was down doesn’t mean the play is over in the NFL or that the catch is complete. I think the refs got it right. OK, so think of this: A receiver catches a ball all by himself with nobody around him, at the 30 yard line. His knee hits the ground. He is down but not by contact. Then he stands up still firmly holding the ball and runs to the end zone. Then as a celebratory move he jumps into the end zone and lands on the ground (inside the EZ) with the ball, which then moves when it hits the EZ's ground. Isn't it a touchdown??? The only difference is that this play happened into a much shorter space. He caught the ball with firm possession and his knee down, at the half yard line. Then since nobody touched him, he extended his arm into the end zone. The second that ball crosses the line it's a TD, regardless of what happens to the ball next. What exactly is wrong with what I'm saying? The play had two parts. One, firm catch, knee down, nobody touches him. Two, arm extends into the end zone, TD.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:40:06 GMT
I don't know about all that, but just give them the ball at the 1. Really, his knee hits the ground and he has full control. I think the rules should be objective rather than subjective. He has full control and his knee hits the ground. Make the rule that this is a catch. You can tell objectively where a knee is and whether the ball is moving. If the receiver is then open enough to lunge forward that's part of the carry and not the catch. Just put an Aussie like me on the rules committee and I'll fix it up lickety split. Exactly. Catch = good. Carry = inside the EZ. TD. Period. No need to give him the ball at the 1 because nobody touched him, he had the right to extend the play into the EZ, and did. TD.
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Post by NJtoTX on Dec 18, 2017 0:40:44 GMT
Wow! The Niners win at the last second and help the Jaguars keep control of the division on top of having clinched a playoff spot. I like it! Dopy announcer said the Titans still win the division if they win out. Wrong. Jax > SF and Ten > Jax gives the Jags a 1-game lead.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Dec 18, 2017 0:42:14 GMT
Jimmy G is 3-0 now with the Niners! They are very competitive with him at the helm, I think he will be a good franchise QB for the Niners. And how about the amazing Robbie Gould, 6/6 FG’s today with his second game winner in 3 weeks! What a year he’s having!
I’m not surprised at all the Titans are having a free fall, they are the most unimpressive NFL team that has a winning record and Mariota is subpar.
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Post by sdm3 on Dec 18, 2017 0:43:35 GMT
The Titans could easily lose their last two. They'll miss the playoffs in my opinion.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Dec 18, 2017 0:46:21 GMT
He wasn’t touched by the defender until after he was in the EZ, but the ball got out of his possession right when it hit the EZ so it wasn’t a TD or a catch, just because the receivers knee was down doesn’t mean the play is over in the NFL or that the catch is complete. I think the refs got it right. OK, so think of this: A receiver catches a ball all by himself with nobody around him, at the 30 yard line. His knee hits the ground. He is down but not by contact. Then he stands up still firmly holding the ball and runs to the end zone. Then as a celebratory move he jumps into the end zone and lands on the ground (inside the EZ) with the ball, which then moves when it hits the EZ's ground. Isn't it a touchdown??? The only difference is that this play happened into a much shorter space. He caught the ball with firm possession and his knee down, at the half yard line. Then since nobody touched him, he extended his arm into the end zone. The second that ball crosses the line it's a TD, regardless of what happens to the ball next. What exactly is wrong with what I'm saying? The play had two parts. One, firm catch, knee down, nobody touches him. Two, arm extends into the end zone, TD. The difference is the shorter time, he never had full possession, when he went down to the ground the ball came out, he was unable to complete the catch.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Dec 18, 2017 0:47:08 GMT
The Titans could easily lose their last two. They'll miss the playoffs in my opinion. Agreed. I think the Titans will lose the last 2, they aren’t very good, haven’t had an impressive win all year IMO.
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