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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:18:38 GMT
You sit there for 2 years contemplating what should happen next. Then when the next episode of the soap opera comes out, some things may happen the way you think but , most things... don't.
Infuriating isn"t it? Not knowing what's next? Somebody in control of the story and it's not you and they do things you don't think should be done!
Pretty sure this has happened before...
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 17, 2017 23:23:18 GMT
You sit there for 2 years contemplating what should happen next. Then when the next episode of the soap opera comes out, some things may happen the way you think but , most things... don't. Infuriating isn"t it? Not knowing what's next? Somebody in control of the story and it's not you and they do things you don't think should be done! Pretty sure this has happened before... And your point is.......?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:23:48 GMT
You sit there for 2 years contemplating what should happen next. Then when the next episode of the soap opera comes out, some things may happen the way you think but , most things... don't. Infuriating isn"t it? Not knowing what's next? Somebody in control of the story and it's not you and they do things you don't think should be done! Pretty sure this has happened before... Bullshit. The story could have gone any one of a thousand ways and been good. This was supposed to be part 2 of a trilogy right? Then why did it undo everything that was set up in the first movie? There are so many fucking plot holes that I can't even coherently put them in one place. KOR, Luke's lightsaber, the Krait Escape, Snoke's dismissal, Luke's reason for disappearing, Luke's death, Yoda's scene...the list goes on and on. Established lore flushed right down the toilet by people who don't know what the fuck they are doing.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 18, 2017 2:28:00 GMT
You sit there for 2 years contemplating what should happen next. Then when the next episode of the soap opera comes out, some things may happen the way you think but , most things... don't. Infuriating isn"t it? Not knowing what's next? Somebody in control of the story and it's not you and they do things you don't think should be done! Pretty sure this has happened before... I think most SW fans complain to some degree when things don't go there way. But I think a bigger issue is going on with the Disney SW. It's these character and storylines that lead to nothing. Or nothing that makes sense in the context of the lore. That goes beyond personal preference issues. Let's be honest - these Disney SW movies do have entertaining paces. And the cinematography is great. But the issue that I brought up still stands. It's sucked the depth out of the saga. It's been transformed into a Disney parody of the real thing to more and more fans of the original fanbase. Some SW fans will continue to support them just because it's SW. They'll get behind anything put up on the screen. But it's clear Disney SW is morphing into another Disney formula franchise that makes a billion dollars every film simply because they have that large of traditional fanbase that's addicted to their formula of moviemaking and storytelling. It's become what it's become. But if the SW ship sinks in the next ten years, it'll be no doubt in my mind as to why.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 18, 2017 2:47:35 GMT
You sit there for 2 years contemplating what should happen next. Then when the next episode of the soap opera comes out, some things may happen the way you think but , most things... don't. Infuriating isn"t it? Not knowing what's next? Somebody in control of the story and it's not you and they do things you don't think should be done! Pretty sure this has happened before... Bullshit. The story could have gone any one of a thousand ways and been good. This was supposed to be part 2 of a trilogy right? Then why did it undo everything that was set up in the first movie? There are so many fucking plot holes that I can't even coherently put them in one place. KOR, Luke's lightsaber, the Krait Escape, Snoke's dismissal, Luke's reason for disappearing, Luke's death, Yoda's scene...the list goes on and on. Established lore flushed right down the toilet by people who don't know what the fuck they are doing. Part 3 will be rushed as hell because, like the PT, they have wasted a film. Why is episode 8 setting up the rebellion? Look, this is Star Wars, you're going to make money, so take the time and write a proper story and tell it properly, rather than making explosions happen between painful humour. Tell it over several films 8 Rise of the First Order. Show us why they are bad. Don't just tell us they are. Have Finn be citizen of their who gets his family murdered and goes off to find people to fight them 9) Show the conflict between the New Republic and the First Order. 10) Tell the story of the rise of the New Rebellion Now you can do another trilogy telling the story of the Rebellion
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 2:58:20 GMT
It's just about a Disney warrior princess who wants to save her bad boy crush now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 3:25:48 GMT
It's just about a Disney warrior princess who wants to save her bad boy crush now. You are unfortunately right. They should just re-cut 50 Shades of Grey, add lightsabers and call it Ep. IX.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 4:35:53 GMT
I'm not saying that any of the criticisms of this or any of the other films since Disney bought LucasFilm are invalid. I have plenty of them myself. I think it will be a downright shame if most of the mystery boxes from TFA are still empty after ep 9 is done. And it's plain to see that it's going to be a near impossible task to fill them all. That will be something that the sequel trilogy will be hampered by that Lucas would not have allowed if he were telling the story. But part of my experience of being a Star Wars fan is going into the next episode with all kinds of ideas of where you think the storylines will go and having the storyteller dash them all to hell and as you are blindsided the storytellers version, then you get to spend some time piecing back together your own narrative from that point only to have it dashed again. Call me a masochist, but I've learned to enjoy that over the last 40 years of this story going on. One of the biggest issues I had with the prequels (which are good movies overall!) is that this aspect of the story was blunted by the predestination of having episodes 1-3 told after 4-6. There was not nearly as much to guess about a storyline when you already knew the outcome, you only had the lesser details to be surprised by. The storyteller sure couldn't slice the Emperor or Yoda in two in the prequels like we just saw happen to Snoke, could he?
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 18, 2017 5:41:47 GMT
This was supposed to be part 2 of a trilogy right? Then why did it undo everything that was set up in the first movie? This is what's so weird to me. It's not like they just kept the mystery going and some kind of answer in Episode IX can fix this. They literally just dropped some of the most intriguing elements of this new trilogy and we were left hanging. I mean, a big reason for why I was excited for this movie was to see the identity of Snoke and the identity of Rey's parents; and yet neither of these were given in any kind of satisfying way. Snoke's death was a badass scene, but they really just dropped a really enthralling character. Then Rey's whole thing is just weird and goes against everything Star Wars is and should be while also making TFA worse by confirming that Rey is just simply a god at everything without any genetic advantage.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 18, 2017 6:54:18 GMT
You sit there for 2 years contemplating what should happen next. Then when the next episode of the soap opera comes out, some things may happen the way you think but , most things... don't. Infuriating isn"t it? Not knowing what's next? Somebody in control of the story and it's not you and they do things you don't think should be done! Pretty sure this has happened before... I don't care if it doesn't go the way I wanted it, I just wanted it to be good. But you wait for 2 years and at the end of it you. get. this. crap.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 18, 2017 9:47:41 GMT
This was supposed to be part 2 of a trilogy right? Then why did it undo everything that was set up in the first movie? This is what's so weird to me. It's not like they just kept the mystery going and some kind of answer in Episode IX can fix this. They literally just dropped some of the most intriguing elements of this new trilogy and we were left hanging.I mean, a big reason for why I was excited for this movie was to see the identity of Snoke and the identity of Rey's parents; and yet neither of these were given in any kind of satisfying way. Snoke's death was a badass scene, but they really just dropped a really enthralling character. Then Rey's whole thing is just weird and goes against everything Star Wars is and should be while also making TFA worse by confirming that Rey is just simply a god at everything without any genetic advantage. Because that's how Abrams mystery box works. Rian Johnson just came in and did the dirty work part of it because Abrams was too much of a coward to do it himself, and then take the heat for it. So Rian does it and takes the heat for the bad part of Abrams mystery box - killing the intrigue of the mystery by revealing that it's a disappointing dead end with no significant answers. And what does Rian Johnson get for being Abrams fall guy? He gets to do the next trilogy. Fans pay the price. It will be interesting to see how much of the fanbase is left by the time Rian Johnson's trilogy makes it's first release.
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Dec 18, 2017 10:14:25 GMT
This is what's so weird to me. It's not like they just kept the mystery going and some kind of answer in Episode IX can fix this. They literally just dropped some of the most intriguing elements of this new trilogy and we were left hanging.I mean, a big reason for why I was excited for this movie was to see the identity of Snoke and the identity of Rey's parents; and yet neither of these were given in any kind of satisfying way. Snoke's death was a badass scene, but they really just dropped a really enthralling character. Then Rey's whole thing is just weird and goes against everything Star Wars is and should be while also making TFA worse by confirming that Rey is just simply a god at everything without any genetic advantage. Because that's how Abrams mystery box works. Rian Johnson just came in and did the dirty work part of it because Abrams was too much of a coward to do it himself, and then take the heat for it. So Rian does it and takes the heat for the bad part of Abrams mystery box - killing the intrigue of the mystery by revealing that it's a disappointing dead end with no significant answers. And what does Rian Johnson get for being Abrams fall guy? He gets to do the next trilogy. Fans pay the price. It will be interesting to see how much of the fanbase is left by the time Rian Johnson's trilogy makes it's first release. I don't understand why fans seem to be blaming Rian Johnson when JJ forced his Mystery Boxes with no real answers on the trilogy in the first place. Its his damn fault.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Dec 18, 2017 11:49:18 GMT
Because that's how Abrams mystery box works. Rian Johnson just came in and did the dirty work part of it because Abrams was too much of a coward to do it himself, and then take the heat for it. So Rian does it and takes the heat for the bad part of Abrams mystery box - killing the intrigue of the mystery by revealing that it's a disappointing dead end with no significant answers. And what does Rian Johnson get for being Abrams fall guy? He gets to do the next trilogy. Fans pay the price. It will be interesting to see how much of the fanbase is left by the time Rian Johnson's trilogy makes it's first release. I don't understand why fans seem to be blaming Rian Johnson when JJ forced his Mystery Boxes with no real answers on the trilogy in the first place. Its his damn fault.
Indeed a good portion of the - irrationally high degree of - fan hate and frustration should be directed to the mystery box concept of TFA. Some TLJ flaws are genuine, like pacing, plot holes, cartoon humor etc. But others are in JJ's yard: Take Snoke. In TFA they rehashed a carbon copy of the original Emperor scene and charater from Empire, all with deep voice, ugly face, and gave him a silly name. Fanboys naturally have an appetite for speculating and connecting dots that were never there to begin with (Darth Plagueais etc ). That is a recipe for disaster and disapointment. TLJ just reaps what TFA sow.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 18, 2017 13:40:56 GMT
I don't understand why fans seem to be blaming Rian Johnson when JJ forced his Mystery Boxes with no real answers on the trilogy in the first place. Its his damn fault.
Indeed a good portion of the - irrationally high degree of - fan hate and frustration should be directed to the mystery box concept of TFA. Some TLJ flaws are genuine, like pacing, plot holes, cartoon humor etc. But others are in JJ's yard: Take Snoke. In TFA they rehashed a carbon copy of the original Emperor scene and charater from Empire, all with deep voice, ugly face, and gave him a silly name. Fanboys naturally have an appetite for speculating and connecting dots that were never there to begin with (Darth Plagueais etc ). That is a recipe for disaster and disapointment. TLJ just reaps what TFA sow.
It's the bill coming due on their terrible hotshot approach and awful crass greedy disgusting treatment of Star Wars. I wish the films would bleed so much money Disney would be forever forced to shelve them.
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 18, 2017 15:27:38 GMT
You sit there for 2 years contemplating what should happen next. Then when the next episode of the soap opera comes out, some things may happen the way you think but , most things... don't. Infuriating isn"t it? Not knowing what's next? Somebody in control of the story and it's not you and they do things you don't think should be done! Pretty sure this has happened before... This is a fundamentally flawed argument. This has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of a movie.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 18, 2017 15:47:45 GMT
You sit there for 2 years contemplating what should happen next. Then when the next episode of the soap opera comes out, some things may happen the way you think but , most things... don't. Infuriating isn"t it? Not knowing what's next? Somebody in control of the story and it's not you and they do things you don't think should be done! Pretty sure this has happened before... Bullshit. The story could have gone any one of a thousand ways and been good. This was supposed to be part 2 of a trilogy right? Then why did it undo everything that was set up in the first movie? There are so many fucking plot holes that I can't even coherently put them in one place. KOR, Luke's lightsaber, the Krait Escape, Snoke's dismissal, Luke's reason for disappearing, Luke's death, Yoda's scene...the list goes on and on. Established lore flushed right down the toilet by people who don't know what the fuck they are doing. You don't know what a plot hole is do you?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 15:58:11 GMT
You sit there for 2 years contemplating what should happen next. Then when the next episode of the soap opera comes out, some things may happen the way you think but , most things... don't. Infuriating isn"t it? Not knowing what's next? Somebody in control of the story and it's not you and they do things you don't think should be done! Pretty sure this has happened before... This is a fundamentally flawed argument. This has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of a movie. The post isn't an argument or about the quality of a movie. It's an observation about how we, myself included, react when a serial story doesn't fulfill our personal expectations. It has happened to some degree in every episode of this series after the first one. Of course the issue is much greater now than it was in 1980.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 16:09:39 GMT
You don't know what a plot hole is do you? Sure I do. Which do you want to debate?
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 18, 2017 16:14:04 GMT
I don't understand why fans seem to be blaming Rian Johnson when JJ forced his Mystery Boxes with no real answers on the trilogy in the first place. Its his damn fault.
Indeed a good portion of the - irrationally high degree of - fan hate and frustration should be directed to the mystery box concept of TFA. Some TLJ flaws are genuine, like pacing, plot holes, cartoon humor etc. But others are in JJ's yard: Take Snoke. In TFA they rehashed a carbon copy of the original Emperor scene and charater from Empire, all with deep voice, ugly face, and gave him a silly name. Fanboys naturally have an appetite for speculating and connecting dots that were never there to begin with (Darth Plagueais etc ). That is a recipe for disaster and disapointment. TLJ just reaps what TFA sow.
I was thinking about this earlier. JJ wanted a mystery where there should have been none when it came to Rey. All he had to do was merge Rey with the Poe at the beginning of the movie. Have Rey be the one on the mission looking for Luke. Cut out the scavenger girl part. Have her "awaken" when Kylo is interrogating her. Finn busts her out and they crash on Jakku and separate. You can still have scenes like the one in the scavenger camp because she doesn't trust a stormtrooper. Have her realize that she is better at things like when she flies the Falcon (Force augmented actions). I don't know, I think the movie did need more than just the humor from the MCU. They needed that idea that there will be an Infinity War movie at some point.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 18, 2017 16:14:56 GMT
You don't know what a plot hole is do you? Sure I do. Which do you want to debate? None of what you listed was a plot hole. Just scenes that you didn't like.
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