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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 8, 2017 5:01:17 GMT
None of the Disney Wars movies has any inductive, organic reason to exist. The movies they've done and the movies they're making are all ostensibly and within the context of the narrative For the Sake of Making Yet Another Star Wars Movie. (And, therefore, money.) I'm sure that wasn't within the minds of 20th Century Fox, Lucasfilm or George Lucas back in the 70's. In fact, I'm positive that everything pre-2000's was 100% art. Sure as hell looks like it compared to the McDrivel Disney's served up since. And, of course, you love them... etc., etc....
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Post by cineastewest on Mar 8, 2017 6:35:05 GMT
It's hard to believe, but I think the godawful prequels still have something over the vapid Rogue One.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 8, 2017 6:49:06 GMT
It's hard to believe, but I think the godawful prequels still have something over the vapid Rogue One. They'll kill you for saying something like that around these parts, mister. Are you crazy or something?!
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Post by woozlewuzzle on Mar 8, 2017 10:12:57 GMT
Rogue One is the worst. It's fucking horrible. This guy gets it.
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Post by jammer81386 on Mar 8, 2017 23:42:11 GMT
I thought the movie was decent enough. The action was pretty good, especially in the 3rd act, but the story was jumbled and generally uninteresting. The characters were the biggest problem of the film. They were all boring with little to no time dedicated to their personality or motivations. This was particularly true with the two main leads who were blank slates. the supporting cast had potential, but no time was dedicated to them so they also were uninteresting.
I also felt that the movie was a bit redundant as the theft of the Death Star Plans had been done in the old EU before(more then once in fact). Granted the general populace would not be familiar with those stories, but it still feels like well trodden ground. Though full disclosure, this is coming from a Dark Forces fanboy who is a bit jaded that Kyle Katarn is no longer canon.
The prequels get a lot of flak for their faults, story, acting, etc. And I am finding that many of those same criticisms are being leveled at Rogue One as well, however despite that people do not dwell on them like the do the prequels. Which is leading me to believe that there is a bais against them.
I'm still arguing with myself as to were I should place Rogue One in my rankings. As of right now it would be: 1. A New Hope 2. The Empire Strikes Back 3. Return of the Jedi 4. Revenge of the Sith 5. The Force Awakens 6. Rogue One 7. The Phantom Menace 8. Attack of the Clones
1-5 are pretty much set in stone, but Rogue One may still drop after I rewatch it. The prequels had their shortcomings, but the also had some really strong moments and elements. Whereas Rogue One was more mediocre throughout. There is also something to be said about a movie that takes risks and fails being better then one that entirley plays its safe.
With that said, the movie did have some strong aspects. As I stated earlier, the action was great and their dedication to maintaining continuity with A New Hope was appreciated. Their use of character from Ep IV was also quite clever.
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Post by LaurenceBranagh on Mar 9, 2017 0:30:13 GMT
Of the theatrical films, I though the Clone Wars movie was worse. But, of the live-action films, I'd say Rogue One is the least good, but not, in my opinion, a terrible film.
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Post by sostie on Mar 9, 2017 13:37:00 GMT
That's the general consensus among true Star Wars fans, right? For me it was the best after Empire. But then again I'm just a fan of films and not a "true Star Wars" fan - and couldn't give a toss what the consensus among them is anyway - though the assertion that the Lucas prequels are anything less than abysmal is pretty hilarious.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 10, 2017 5:10:31 GMT
That's the general consensus among true Star Wars fans, right? For me it was the best after Empire. But then again I'm just a fan of films and not a "true Star Wars" fan - and couldn't give a toss what the consensus among them is anyway - though the assertion that the Lucas prequels are anything less than abysmal is pretty hilarious.
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Post by chalk2 on Mar 10, 2017 5:51:26 GMT
It wasn't the best but by no means the worst. I don't know which to puke over more - The Force Awakens or The Phantom Menace. These 2 had a few good scenes but that was it. Rogue never fully explored and utilized some of it's more interesting characters.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 10, 2017 6:00:35 GMT
It wasn't the best but by no means the worst. I don't know which to puke over more - The Force Awakens or The Phantom Menace. These 2 had a few good scenes but that was it. Rogue never fully explored and utilized some of it's more interesting characters. Hey, thanks for contributing. Which characters did you find most interesting? How would you have expanded on them. I found the Whills dudes pretty fun, and K2SO. Not sure, really, how I would expand on them in particular apart from devoting more than one or two throwaway lines about the former's past and significance.
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Post by darkpast on Mar 10, 2017 6:03:35 GMT
its already forgotten, needed Jar Jar
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 10, 2017 6:18:44 GMT
its already forgotten, needed Jar Jar
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 6:34:49 GMT
TFA was the end of the Star Wars line for me so I can't comment on Rogue One. I would imagine it is a truly bad film though.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 10, 2017 6:43:27 GMT
TFA was the end of the Star Wars line for me so I can't comment on Rogue One. I would imagine it is a truly bad film though.
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Post by sostie on Mar 10, 2017 9:26:37 GMT
For me it was the best after Empire. But then again I'm just a fan of films and not a "true Star Wars" fan - and couldn't give a toss what the consensus among them is anyway - though the assertion that the Lucas prequels are anything less than abysmal is pretty hilarious. And thank you for your oh so hilarious response. Poor diddums, maybe one day you'll find somewhere where everyone's opinion will match yours. Until that day, good luck with your continued attempts to come across as a bit of a dick
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 10, 2017 12:57:47 GMT
And thank you for your oh so hilarious response. Poor diddums, maybe one day you'll find somewhere where everyone's opinion will match yours. Until that day, good luck with your continued attempts to come across as a bit of a dick Hey, thanks! You seem really, really great at coming across like a HUGE dick, so that's means a lot.
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Post by chalk2 on Mar 10, 2017 18:17:07 GMT
It wasn't the best but by no means the worst. I don't know which to puke over more - The Force Awakens or The Phantom Menace. These 2 had a few good scenes but that was it. Rogue never fully explored and utilized some of it's more interesting characters. Hey, thanks for contributing. Which characters did you find most interesting? How would you have expanded on them. I found the Whills dudes pretty fun, and K2SO. Not sure, really, how I would expand on them in particular apart from devoting more than one or two throwaway lines about the former's past and significance. I agree on K2SO, thought about Imwe but he has no force powers so is unnecessary. Gerrera I would have like to see more about. His raising/relation with Jyn Erso and his extremist ways, falling out with the Alliance, his physical state, things like that could have provided interesting flashback stories in the movie. There is so much surrounding him that has been left out that it almost makes his character seem pointless. Some might argue about film length if you added this but I don't know too many Star Wars fans who would complain over seeing more if written/filmed well. I don't want a situation where characters are wasted or they leave out stuff cause they want to do spin-off films. Spin-offs have a habit of taking a really good short story and stretching it for time to the point where they've torn the ass out of it, and it becomes boring. Better to lengthen the original film than risk that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 18:58:40 GMT
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 10, 2017 21:39:41 GMT
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Post by woozlewuzzle on Mar 11, 2017 7:08:53 GMT
It wasn't the best but by no means the worst. I don't know which to puke over more - The Force Awakens or The Phantom Menace. These 2 had a few good scenes but that was it. Rogue never fully explored and utilized some of it's more interesting characters. Rogue One only had one good scene and that was at the very end involving the only good character: Darth Vader. TFA and TPM blew this movie away, champ.
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