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Post by scabab on Jan 14, 2018 16:17:42 GMT
Nothing suggested the Amazons or Atlanteans are really that tough, which means it's nothing significant for Steppenwolf to beat them. The Amazons aren't that tough, they're just highly skilled warriors they can still be killed by bullets though. Lol that's so silly. Why on Earth would he need to take a Nuke to the face? When does that ever happen outside of Doomsday? That's because Steppenwolf wasn't weak like Ultron. They don't have to be as powerful but they're still supposed to be generally powerful beings. They didn't with Loki or Ultron. I already brought up some examples before. Elektra being one. Strong enough to knock out Like Cage who can casually walk through shotgun blasts and survive a Rocket....but can't knock out the Matt Murdock with his regular human durability. She was using the sword to block the axe. I can't remember, did she even have the lasso on her? She only lassoed Doomsday because he was standing there not paying attention to her. He was an open target, Steppenwolf would have just dodged it. He was just an ordinary Kree Warrior. Not like the Kree Reapers from the same show or Ronan. Sure as the overall war goes just like the Asgardians beat the Frost Giants but an average Dark Elf can take out an average Asgardian and vice versa. Any non fodder character can take out swarms of them. Even Malekith was shown to effortlessly take out a few Asgardians and he struggled with Odin's wife of all people. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 14, 2018 20:26:07 GMT
The Amazons aren't that tough, they're just highly skilled warriors they can still be killed by bullets though. Exactly. To show he's a Justice League level enemy. Look at how Surtur, Ego and Dormammu were portrayed. Real top tier stuff. Sell that this guy is a GOD, and that Darkseid can be expected to be worse. Yeah, he was weaker and poorly defined. Then SHOW, don't assume. They did with Ultron, and Loki's whole thing is that he makes up for lack of raw physical power with cunning and illusions and stuff. Like Luthor is to Superman. Marvel TV, not tightly run as Marvel Studios. When she could have used her force field power to...atomize the Axe. [quoteI can't remember, did she even have the lasso on her?[/quote] Yep. Then regular Kree are tough too, which fits the comics. No, don't see one Elf killing an Asgardian easily. Frigga wasn't a weakling either. |
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Post by scabab on Jan 15, 2018 0:37:58 GMT
To show he's a Justice League level enemy. Look at how Surtur, Ego and Dormammu were portrayed. Real top tier stuff. Sell that this guy is a GOD, and that Darkseid can be expected to be worse. That was already obvious from the fact that the Justice League together couldn't beat him without Superman. Those Top Tier characters you mentioned weren't even Avengers villains. They were more powerful than any of The Avengers villains. Ultron didn't take a Nuke to the face. He was completely destroyed by a generic missile from Iron Man. Ultron was really weak unfortunately. Where he was blown up by a missile, Steppenwolf just grabbed it and threw it away. Then SHOW, don't assume.[/quote] There wasn't anything to show, it wasn't a Green Lantern movie, it was a flashback and it was show Steppenwolf was strong not the Green Lantern. All they showed of Ultron at first was that he struggled more with Captain America than Loki did. Loki who has now been regressed to being a bit of a weaklings amongst his kind who has trouble with Valkyrie. Irrelevant it's all part of the MCU and the movies have their own consistency problems if you look for them. Yeah but like your logic says, he didn't do anything to show he was strong so he's weak as is Lady Sir who merely equalled him. Yeah it happened plenty of times. They were shooting them dead left and right. How do you know? She also has nothing to show she was strong. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 15, 2018 1:48:35 GMT
That was already obvious from the fact that the Justice League together couldn't beat him without Superman. They couldn't beat him because WW and Flash were incompetently written. Yeah, but you get what I mean. One weaker version of him. His whole thing is evolving and developing. One weaker version was destroyed. It took an Infinity Stone powered being to ultimately stop him. So they were too incompetent to show right. Valkyrie is an Elite Asgardian, of course Loki couldn't just walk over her. And Ultron still got a better showing with intellect when power wasn't enough. Yes, but not as bad as DC's. DC has fewer films and more inconsistencies. And Sif was shown to be strong enough that for the Kree to equal her then he's tough too. SHOOTING, they had advanced weapons. She lasted against Malekith, not for long but better than nothing. She did better against him than any Amazon with Steppenwolf. |
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Post by scabab on Jan 15, 2018 14:27:00 GMT
They couldn't beat him because WW and Flash were incompetently written. Wonder Woman wasn't incompetent. The Flash was, purposefully though as he'd never even been in a fight before. Those characters you mentioned aren't even Avengers level villains anyway. The Avengers combined aren't more powerful then those three. Steppenwolf isn't as powerful as those three nor should be if he was meant to be beaten. Even after when he got the Vibranium body he still never did anything to show his power. All he did was crush his older body which was weak anyway and then overpowered Thor. The only reason we know he's strong is from him fighting other strong characters. The scene was done the right away. We didn't need to see Green Lantern randomly blow up a mountain before losing to Steppenwolf for people in the audience to have the common sense to know the two are powerful. [quoteValkyrie is an Elite Asgardian, of course Loki couldn't just walk over her. And Ultron still got a better showing with intellect when power wasn't enough.[/quote] She's still a second stringer. In the first movie he was giving Thor a hard time. Then after that he's become somewhat comically weak to the point the Warriors Three threatened to kill him and even Valkyrie overpowered him. DC doesn't have any inconsistencies in its power scaling. The MCU has many, there's no comparison in that regard. Captain America can rock Iron Man around with punches even though a much earlier model of Iron Man's suit took no damage at all from a Tank missile and Captain America had trouble with Red Skull who put a small dent in a metal shield. Captain America has gone from having trouble with someone like Red Skull to somehow giving Ultron a tough time and throwing him through a large concrete pillar. He had the strength to stop a helicopter from taking off...but in Winter Soldier he was getting overpowered by just a few men in the Elevator. You've got Iron Man who in his weakest suit, the Mk1, punched a large metal door off its hinges and yet a much more advanced Iron Man can't take down Captain America with no amount of punches...yet Captain America can be hurt by regular pistol bullets. But that doesn't count by your logic. Steppenwolf isn't strong even though he overpowered Wonder Woman because he didn't show he was strong. Seeing as the Kree did nothing to show he was strong then he must be weak as to then is Lady Sif. That don't matter, they were taking out each other out no problem. Malekith is a Dark Elf and he didn't shoot them. But Frigga never did anything to show she was strong which means that she and Malekith must be weak. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 15, 2018 21:27:18 GMT
Wonder Woman wasn't incompetent. She didn't show off the super-speed she usually seemed to have nor did she ever try to just chop off Steppenwolf's arm or head like with Doomsday. He didn't even try to do something like tie Steppenwolf up in slo-mo. But Flash has always been very broken power-wise, even in his own TV show. No, but they're good examples of what a truly powerful villain worthy of the JL's first big movie could be. That's what the good writer is for, to find a way such a powerful being could be beaten with more than raw strength. Ego took a lot of team work and stuff to defeat. Surviving energy blasts from Iron Man, Thor and Vision together. Yeah, we do. You need to sell a character as strong, not just assumed it. Actually, he won the fight with Valkyrie if he'd wanted to. As soon as he touched her head and made her relive the death of her comrades he could've just turned off her brain or something. He wasn't fighting to win. Hell yes they do, WW being a great example. It's called character development, Steve has gotten stronger and more skilled over time. He was in an enclosed environment, and wasn't trying to kill any of them. He wasn't trying to really hurt Steve til the end, when he'd more or less won until Bucky distracted him enough for Steve to smash his arc reactor. Steve also knows Tony's weak points whilst those other guys didn't. Because WW wasn't portrayed as strong as her movie showed her to be. Sif wasn't portrayed weaker than usual, and we knew Kree were tough already from Ronan. Because he didn't have a gun, he had Kurse to do his fighting for him. Malekith was never shown to be physically powerful, that's why he needed Kurse and the Reality Stone. |
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