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Post by Vegas on Jan 19, 2018 15:42:30 GMT
Satan, stupid.
NEXT!!!
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Post by Isapop on Jan 19, 2018 15:50:09 GMT
Are you administering CPR to the board?
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Post by Vegas on Jan 19, 2018 16:17:59 GMT
Are you administering CPR to the board? This board needs an enema!! |
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Post by Isapop on Jan 19, 2018 16:32:59 GMT
How do you figure? This is Satan: "I am going to mislead as many as I can away from God." This is God: "I'll go ahead and let Satan mislead as many as he can, and punish everyone he deceives." It's not at all clear that Satan is worse than God.
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Post by Catman on Jan 19, 2018 16:38:13 GMT
Are you sure it's not Dick Cheney or Pat Robertson?
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Post by maya55555 on Jan 19, 2018 18:03:35 GMT
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Post by Vegas on Jan 19, 2018 19:41:19 GMT
How do you figure? This is Satan: "I am going to mislead as many as I can away from God." This is God: "I'll go ahead and let Satan mislead as many as he can, and punish everyone he deceives." It's not at all clear that Satan is worse than God.
I dunno... but at the end of the day... In Die Hard, John McClane has the most deaths at his hands than anybody... and everybody sees him as the hero of the movie. That's just the way the story goes. |
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Post by Isapop on Jan 19, 2018 20:08:05 GMT
How do you figure? This is Satan: "I am going to mislead as many as I can away from God." This is God: "I'll go ahead and let Satan mislead as many as he can, and punish everyone he deceives." It's not at all clear that Satan is worse than God.
I dunno... but at the end of the day... In Die Hard, John McClane has the most deaths at his hands than anybody... and everybody sees him as the hero of the movie. That's just the way the story goes. Nothing happens at the end of the day that changes the situation.McClane doesn't prepare a punishment for the hostages. McClane rescues the hostages from the death that Gruber has arranged for them by killing Gruber and Gruber's helpers. So the McClane/Gruber story doesn't resemble the God/Satan story at all. When I asked you "How do you figure?", you should have just stopped with, "I dunno". At least that part made sense.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 19, 2018 20:25:27 GMT
I dunno... but at the end of the day... In Die Hard, John McClane has the most deaths at his hands than anybody... and everybody sees him as the hero of the movie. That's just the way the story goes. Nothing happens at the end of the day that changes the situation.McClane rescues the hostages from the death that Gruber has arranged for them by killing Gruber and Gruber's helpers. So the McClane/Gruber story doesn't resemble the God/Satan story at all. When I asked you "How do you figure?", you should have just stopped with, "I dunno". At least that part made sense.
You dunno.... but at the beginning of another day... The story ends with the death of everything evil... and humans... including most of those who you say are "deceived".. get to live forever and ever.. and ever... being all happy n' sht. That's the way the story goes. God gggggoooooooooooooodd. Satan baaaaaaaaaaaaddddddd.... and nobody will give a fck... because he'll be dead. Yes... It's not Die Hard... It's its own story. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 19, 2018 20:33:52 GMT
How do you figure? This is Satan: "I am going to mislead as many as I can away from God." This is God: "I'll go ahead and let Satan mislead as many as he can, and punish everyone he deceives." It's not at all clear that Satan is worse than God.
You seem to forget that God Gives His Rules & Instructions to humanity FIRST, before Satan comes in to deceive. Eg: The forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden. God Specifically Told the first couple not to eat. Satan only deceived them AFTER God Told them NOT to. |
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Post by Isapop on Jan 19, 2018 22:07:44 GMT
and humans... including most of those who you say are "deceived".. get to live forever and ever.. and ever... being all happy n' sht. Where did you get that from? Certainly not from the Bible which shows the gateway to destruction as wide with many going through, and gateway to life as narrow with only a few finding it (Matt 7:13-14).
You're creating your own "Bible Fan Fiction" (where most people end up all happy n' sht) to avoid the more difficult scenario posed in the real Bible.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 19, 2018 22:38:52 GMT
and humans... including most of those who you say are "deceived".. get to live forever and ever.. and ever... being all happy n' sht. Where did you get that from? Certainly not from the Bible which shows the gateway to destruction as wide with many going through, and gateway to life as narrow with only a few finding it (Matt 7:13-14).
You're creating your own "Bible Fan Fiction" (where most people end up all happy n' sht) to avoid the more difficult scenario posed in the real Bible.
Is there really a gateway to destruction? How many are "few"? How many are "many"? Poetic expression remains poetic expression. Now as far as "creating fan fiction"... No. The actual story is: There are two "destructions" that The Bible refers to.. One that involves the death that we will all have to endure... unless you happen to survive through Armageddon... which will apparently be only a few... HENCE THE WARNING TO NOT BE COUNTED AMONG THE MANY. And, then, there is the more permanent destruction that occurs after "THE RESSURECTION OF BOTH THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE UNRIGHTEOUS". The Bible refers to it as "The Second Death"... a more permanent death... Nobody really knows ho many people will suffer that permanent death.. But.. A lot of people won't. That's the story. |
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Post by Isapop on Jan 19, 2018 23:24:12 GMT
Where did you get that from? Certainly not from the Bible which shows the gateway to destruction as wide with many going through, and gateway to life as narrow with only a few finding it (Matt 7:13-14).
You're creating your own "Bible Fan Fiction" (where most people end up all happy n' sht) to avoid the more difficult scenario posed in the real Bible.
Is there really a gateway to destruction? How many are "few"? How many are "many"? Poetic expression remains poetic expression. Now as far as "creating fan fiction"... No. The actual story is: There are two "destructions" that The Bible refers to.. One that involves the death that we will all have to endure... unless you happen to survive through Armageddon... which will apparently be only a few... HENCE THE WARNING TO NOT BE COUNTED AMONG THE MANY. And, then, there is the more permanent destruction that occurs after "THE RESSURECTION OF BOTH THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE UNRIGHTEOUS". The Bible refers to it as "The Second Death"... a more permanent death... Nobody really knows ho many people will suffer that permanent death.. But.. A lot of people won't. That's the story. The passage I cited sets up the terms as relative to each other. So "few" is obviously the minority, and "many" the majority. And surviving or not surviving through Armageddon is, of course, where Satan's influence plays a role. Satan needs only to play the role of deceiver. He knows that God will do the actual dirty work of consigning the "many" to the destruction that God has devised (not Satan), sparing only the "few". Satan misleads the many into the pit, but it is God who dug that pit for the purpose of swallowing them. Thus, it's not at all clear that Satan is worse than God.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 19, 2018 23:50:55 GMT
Is there really a gateway to destruction? How many are "few"? How many are "many"? Poetic expression remains poetic expression. Now as far as "creating fan fiction"... No. The actual story is: There are two "destructions" that The Bible refers to.. One that involves the death that we will all have to endure... unless you happen to survive through Armageddon... which will apparently be only a few... HENCE THE WARNING TO NOT BE COUNTED AMONG THE MANY. And, then, there is the more permanent destruction that occurs after "THE RESSURECTION OF BOTH THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE UNRIGHTEOUS". The Bible refers to it as "The Second Death"... a more permanent death... Nobody really knows ho many people will suffer that permanent death.. But.. A lot of people won't. That's the story. The passage I cited sets up the terms as relative to each other. So "few" is obviously the minority, and "many" the majority. And surviving or not surviving through Armageddon is, of course, where Satan's influence plays a role. Satan needs only to play the role of deceiver. He knows that God will do the actual dirty work of consigning the "many" to the destruction that God has devised (not Satan), sparing only the "few". Satan misleads the many into the pit, but it is God who dug that pit for the purpose of swallowing them. Thus, it's not at all clear that Satan is worse than God.
Holy Shit. You do realize that judges in a court room aren't the bad guys, right? Also... Death is only a figurative pit. It's a state of not being alive. What were before God created Life? YOU DIDN'T EXIST. Not having the life that God gave you because you choose not to keep that life that He gave you doesn't make him a villain... It makes you non-appreciative of what you were given and choosing not to keep it. Meanwhile, at the end of the story, there is a bunch of people living happily ever after. According to the story. |
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Post by Isapop on Jan 20, 2018 0:08:36 GMT
You do realize that judges in a court room aren't the bad guys, right? Judges in a courtroom don't pronounce mass death sentences upon masses of people who were deceived into following the wrong religion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 0:13:23 GMT
Elijah
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Post by Isapop on Jan 20, 2018 0:28:01 GMT
How do you figure? This is Satan: "I am going to mislead as many as I can away from God." This is God: "I'll go ahead and let Satan mislead as many as he can, and punish everyone he deceives." It's not at all clear that Satan is worse than God.
You seem to forget that God Gives His Rules & Instructions to humanity FIRST, before Satan comes in to deceive. Eg: The forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden. God Specifically Told the first couple not to eat. Satan only deceived them AFTER God Told them NOT to. You're simply describing the "backstory", and it doesn't change what I describe. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 20, 2018 0:37:48 GMT
You seem to forget that God Gives His Rules & Instructions to humanity FIRST, before Satan comes in to deceive. Eg: The forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden. God Specifically Told the first couple not to eat. Satan only deceived them AFTER God Told them NOT to. You're simply describing the "backstory", and it doesn't change what I describe. And the backstory explains the rules of the game. |
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Post by maya55555 on Jan 20, 2018 3:28:17 GMT
clusium:
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Post by goz on Jan 20, 2018 4:03:07 GMT
Satan is the villain of the Bible as CAPITALS are to lower case serpents.
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