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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 22, 2018 7:14:17 GMT
Enjoy.  Disclaimer: The usual. My thoughts: I find this topic fascinating, and I also think reincarnation is possible. I've found nothing in the Bible to contradict it. |
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Post by socalboy83 on Jan 22, 2018 7:19:19 GMT
Blondes think so.😁😂
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 22, 2018 12:12:41 GMT
Enjoy. Disclaimer: The usual. My thoughts: I find this topic fascinating, and I also think reincarnation is possible. I've found nothing in the Bible to contradict it. Some Christians say otherwise:
Hey, but what do Christians know, right?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 22, 2018 17:20:31 GMT
Enjoy. Disclaimer: The usual. My thoughts: I find this topic fascinating, and I also think reincarnation is possible. I've found nothing in the Bible to contradict it. Some Christians say otherwise:
Hey, but what do Christians know, right?
They may not know as much as they think they know. |
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Post by Vegas on Jan 22, 2018 17:43:40 GMT
Well, if it was... I'm sure it will come back.  |
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Post by gadreel on Jan 22, 2018 18:51:14 GMT
Enjoy. Disclaimer: The usual. My thoughts: I find this topic fascinating, and I also think reincarnation is possible. I've found nothing in the Bible to contradict it. Some Christians say otherwise:
Hey, but what do Christians know, right?
Christians disagree all the time, hence the sects. There are a number of indications in the bible that reincarnation was considered real by the author of that particular book, so as with most assertions of what Christians believe there is evidence for both stances. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 23, 2018 9:35:11 GMT
Some Christians say otherwise:
Hey, but what do Christians know, right?
They may not know as much as they think they know. This is something we can agree on. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 23, 2018 11:58:02 GMT
Many people seem certain that reincarnation is not what the New Testament means by "born again." Other people of faith are not certain those parts of the New Testament "count" as being significant in regard to today's pressing concerns and haven't given the matter much thought.
On cursory analysis the discussion in the New Testament of being born again does not appear to mean receiving a new physical body at all, but a new spiritual presence in a heavenly kingdom. It is indeed a curiosity why the idea is addressed as a rebirth.
I'm sorry I did not view the video. As a general rule now I do not. Internet videos tend to cost far more time and data then they're worth. I realize there are things pictures can say that words fail, but what most people do not realize is that the internet video typically fails where words not only express the ideas with marvelous clarity, but in far less time at far less expense.
Sometimes just to relax I will play mahjong on my computer, but not online. That would be a complete waste of bandwidth.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 23, 2018 18:06:07 GMT
Many people seem certain that reincarnation is not what the New Testament means by "born again." Other people of faith are not certain those parts of the New Testament "count" as being significant in regard to today's pressing concerns and haven't given the matter much thought. On cursory analysis the discussion in the New Testament of being born again does not appear to mean receiving a new physical body at all, but a new spiritual presence in a heavenly kingdom. It is indeed a curiosity why the idea is addressed as a rebirth. I'm sorry I did not view the video. As a general rule now I do not. Internet videos tend to cost far more time and data then they're worth. I realize there are things pictures can say that words fail, but what most people do not realize is that the internet video typically fails where words not only express the ideas with marvelous clarity, but in far less time at far less expense. Sometimes just to relax I will play mahjong on my computer, but not online. That would be a complete waste of bandwidth. Born again in the bible has a specific meaning, it means reborn into the love of Christ, it is not reincarnation. I stopped reading there as I felt that if this was the quality of your post I should not waste my time with whatever else you got 100% wrong. |
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Post by maya55555 on Jan 23, 2018 22:17:41 GMT
THE
I had problems with the teachings in that video.
Note the "brain washed" comments.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 23, 2018 22:22:41 GMT
Many people seem certain that reincarnation is not what the New Testament means by "born again." Other people of faith are not certain those parts of the New Testament "count" as being significant in regard to today's pressing concerns and haven't given the matter much thought. On cursory analysis the discussion in the New Testament of being born again does not appear to mean receiving a new physical body at all, but a new spiritual presence in a heavenly kingdom. It is indeed a curiosity why the idea is addressed as a rebirth. I'm sorry I did not view the video. As a general rule now I do not. Internet videos tend to cost far more time and data then they're worth. I realize there are things pictures can say that words fail, but what most people do not realize is that the internet video typically fails where words not only express the ideas with marvelous clarity, but in far less time at far less expense. Sometimes just to relax I will play mahjong on my computer, but not online. That would be a complete waste of bandwidth. Born again in the bible has a specific meaning, it means reborn into the love of Christ, it is not reincarnation. I stopped reading there as I felt that if this was the quality of your post I should not waste my time with whatever else you got 100% wrong. I suspect "100% wrong" means "over your head." Back to the topic of reincarnation though, there is a movie some might count as a "classic" called Logan's Run about a society that believes people are "renewed" after being destroyed upon reaching the age of thirty. That might not be exactly what reincarnation means either. Some meanings can be elusive. On the topic of videos that waste bandwidth, at least you can study the movie through online text commentaries. God bless IMDb. If you want me to watch something just write a summary that highlights any good reason I might have to watch. |
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Post by gadreel on Jan 23, 2018 22:25:46 GMT
Born again in the bible has a specific meaning, it means reborn into the love of Christ, it is not reincarnation. I stopped reading there as I felt that if this was the quality of your post I should not waste my time with whatever else you got 100% wrong. I suspect "100% wrong" means "over your head." Back to the topic of reincarnation though, there is a movie some might count as a "classic" called Logan's Run about a society that believes people are "renewed" after being destroyed upon reaching the age of thirty. That might not be exactly what reincarnation means either. Some meanings can be elusive. On the topic of videos that waste bandwidth, at least you can study the movie through online text commentaries. God bless IMDb. If you want me to watch something just write a summary that highlights any good reason I might have to watch. can you please explain clearly to me what born again in Christian terminology has to do with re-incarnation, please include accepted definitions to support your stance. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 22:35:33 GMT
I think that the early christians did believe in reincarnation and that reincarnation was part of early christian teaching. Of course i may be wrong.
But i do know that there are christians today that believe in reincarnation. And i would assume that there have been christians through history that have believed in reincarnation. And i don`t really see a problem with a christian believing in reincarnation.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 23, 2018 22:46:37 GMT
I suspect "100% wrong" means "over your head." Back to the topic of reincarnation though, there is a movie some might count as a "classic" called Logan's Run about a society that believes people are "renewed" after being destroyed upon reaching the age of thirty. That might not be exactly what reincarnation means either. Some meanings can be elusive. On the topic of videos that waste bandwidth, at least you can study the movie through online text commentaries. God bless IMDb. If you want me to watch something just write a summary that highlights any good reason I might have to watch. can you please explain clearly to me what born again in Christian terminology has to do with re-incarnation, please include accepted definitions to support your stance. What I wrote and you apparently overlooked ... In no instance of being born again in the Bible is a new physical body indicated at all. I suspect you agreed with me more than you realized. That said, whether "reincarnation" occurs depends on what the speaker means by the word. Your notion that there are "accepted definitions" of any significant specificity is the result of your overly simple world view. HTH |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 24, 2018 9:08:28 GMT
Reincarnation is what the journey on earth is here about. It's not just a one off and then that's it, you get to heaven or hell. There are hell realms and heavenly realms, but we need to to do the work while we are here in order to transcend. The cycle of Birth, Life, Death, Rebirth, is the journey until we attain Nirvana. Like Christ. The subject of "reincarnation" poses interesting questions about the nature of the "self" and the nature of "knowledge." For example, how much of what people "know" is genetically encoded? How is that record modified over generations? How many "senses" are there that can contribute to the record? It does appear exceedingly rare that people are able to remember much detail of any "past life," does it not? |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 24, 2018 10:49:13 GMT
Many people seem certain that reincarnation is not what the New Testament means by "born again." Other people of faith are not certain those parts of the New Testament "count" as being significant in regard to today's pressing concerns and haven't given the matter much thought. On cursory analysis the discussion in the New Testament of being born again does not appear to mean receiving a new physical body at all, but a new spiritual presence in a heavenly kingdom. It is indeed a curiosity why the idea is addressed as a rebirth. I'm sorry I did not view the video. As a general rule now I do not. Internet videos tend to cost far more time and data then they're worth. I realize there are things pictures can say that words fail, but what most people do not realize is that the internet video typically fails where words not only express the ideas with marvelous clarity, but in far less time at far less expense. Sometimes just to relax I will play mahjong on my computer, but not online. That would be a complete waste of bandwidth. That's okay. John 9:2 was quoted, and I found it interesting: biblehub.com/john/9-2.htmThe sins of the parents are one thing, but how could the man be punished for his own sins by being born blind unless he had lived before?  |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 24, 2018 11:44:52 GMT
It does appear exceedingly rare that people are able to remember much detail of any "past life," does it not? While I don't necessarily agree with the idea of reincarnation, and detailed recollections as you say are in the minority, there still remains a good few instances of apparent previous lives on record, remembered to a good extent. And let us not forget too that at least one country's leader stakes his claim on precisely this sort of thing (Dalai Lama). |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 24, 2018 13:07:09 GMT
Many people seem certain that reincarnation is not what the New Testament means by "born again." Other people of faith are not certain those parts of the New Testament "count" as being significant in regard to today's pressing concerns and haven't given the matter much thought. On cursory analysis the discussion in the New Testament of being born again does not appear to mean receiving a new physical body at all, but a new spiritual presence in a heavenly kingdom. It is indeed a curiosity why the idea is addressed as a rebirth. I'm sorry I did not view the video. As a general rule now I do not. Internet videos tend to cost far more time and data then they're worth. I realize there are things pictures can say that words fail, but what most people do not realize is that the internet video typically fails where words not only express the ideas with marvelous clarity, but in far less time at far less expense. Sometimes just to relax I will play mahjong on my computer, but not online. That would be a complete waste of bandwidth. That's okay. John 9:2 was quoted, and I found it interesting: biblehub.com/john/9-2.htmThe sins of the parents are one thing, but how could the man be punished for his own sins by being born blind unless he had lived before? That is a good point. I'll have to investigate further now. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 24, 2018 13:18:06 GMT
It does appear exceedingly rare that people are able to remember much detail of any "past life," does it not? While I don't necessarily agree with the idea of reincarnation, and detailed recollections as you say are in the minority, there still remains a good few instances of apparent previous lives on records, remembered to a good extent. And let us not forget too that at least one country's leader stakes his claim on precisely this sort of thing (Dalai Lama). I have no argument with those comments. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 25, 2018 14:07:45 GMT
As far as past life recollections go, it would all depend on the person. Although science is generally inept at solving political issues, many questions about the nature and origin of individual knowledge are suited to scientific study. Many people rather obviously have extraordinary aptitudes, for example to learn a language. In the fifties and sixties a lot of effort was made to identify where exactly people with exceptional language skills at an early age got those skills. Sometimes it was not the parents' language skill. Some religiously inclined suggested intervention of a spiritual nature was the cause. Others wanted to find a near relative who spoke the language in the belief that the knowledge might be in the family genes if not obviously expressed in the phenotype of the parents. Other experiments deal with the animals who exhibit certain more or less complex behaviors without receiving instructions. It is all fascinating, but not yet conclusive. |
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