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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 14:13:33 GMT
Though The Incredibles was nominated, it was not adapted from a comic. And Ghost World was a comic adaptation, but not superhero related. Still quite the feat for Logan. After TDK, I never thought I'd see the day.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 23, 2018 14:23:02 GMT
Its awesome and perhaps this inclusion has widened the narrow horizons of the academy members.
Although Ive not seen Call me by your name, I suspect it will win. Just glad that Logan has recieved some deserved recognition.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 23, 2018 14:31:52 GMT
Let's not leave out A History of Violence.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 23, 2018 14:41:18 GMT
Wow, so you folks care deeply about the Oscars. its telling but the nom says a lot. it says Logan was actually considered for best picture until they remembered it was a comic book movie and shut it out because the screenplays are the next big thing to best picture and best director and 99% of the time, whoever wins for screenplay wins for best picture.
oh well, congrats. its huge for comic films , all the work the xmen movies and Nolan batman movies did aka making smart, serious comic films paid off with Logan...until MCU takes over and kills X-Men. Logan will live on. Honourable mentions to Batman Begins, X2, DOFP , V for Vendetta and TDKR. Bring on Matt Reeves Batman.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 14:45:59 GMT
Let's not leave out A History of Violence. I remembered the Hurt nod, but forgot it got in for Screenplay. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 23, 2018 15:08:07 GMT
Let's not leave out A History of Violence. FoX-Men fans will. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 23, 2018 15:16:50 GMT
Let's not leave out A History of Violence. FoX-Men fans will. I couldn't be happier for XMU fans, the screenplay was very strong. That said, I wonder if Logan was considered for the category because it was a sequel or because it was adapted from comic book source material? Either could be the case in this situation. One reason is a validation of the medium whereas the other is not. |
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Post by charzhino on Jan 23, 2018 15:20:52 GMT
I couldn't be happier for XMU fans, the screenplay was very strong. That said, I wonder if Logan was considered for the category because it was a sequel or because it was adapted from comic book source material? Either could be the case in this situation. One reason is a validation of the medium whereas the other is not. Given its predecessor, The Wolverine, isnt that well recognised, Im leaning to the latter. I think the voters finally decided to give some credence to the resources that comic books can offer, and that a good standalone film can be adapted out of them. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 23, 2018 19:35:05 GMT
I couldn't be happier for XMU fans, the screenplay was very strong. That said, I wonder if Logan was considered for the category because it was a sequel or because it was adapted from comic book source material? Either could be the case in this situation. One reason is a validation of the medium whereas the other is not. Given its predecessor, The Wolverine, isnt that well recognised, Im leaning to the latter. I think the voters finally decided to give some credence to the resources that comic books can offer, and that a good standalone film can be adapted out of them. I think it's more in that the movie is more a western than a superhero movie. Then you have him dying at the end like a lot of one off westerns. Taking care of a mentally ill old man. Oh and the "cancer" he kinda had. And the long lost daughter he falls for by the end. There is a lot of "Oscar bait" in the movie. The movie is good, but you can tick off the boxes on the check list. |
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Post by darkpast on Jan 23, 2018 21:51:11 GMT
Congratulations
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jan 23, 2018 22:00:01 GMT
Wait, The Dark Knight wasn't nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay?  |
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Post by summers8 on Jan 23, 2018 22:03:29 GMT
You know now I think of it for silly oscar fun triva, this is the closest we have ever gotten to best picture for a comic film. I wonder what comic film(s) will take that last step to a best picture nomination. Maybe a DC movie done well? Nolan is back? Mangold goes to DC? Martin Scoresese makes his Joker movie?
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Post by summers8 on Jan 23, 2018 22:13:52 GMT
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Post by summers8 on Jan 23, 2018 23:06:25 GMT
Its awesome and perhaps this inclusion has widened the narrow horizons of the academy members. Although Ive not seen Call me by your name, I suspect it will win. Just glad that Logan has recieved some deserved recognition. Hey charzhino, you will not believe what I just read by the MCU fan boys. these boys don't realise they themselves continue to expose how much MCU sucks and will always be inferior to DC/X-Men/Spiderman in movies, comics, games and animations. Apparently Logan is more like a western than a super hero movie because superhero stories never had things like mental illness, deep surrogate father daughter relationship and mutants dealing with serious diseases like cancer? um, what?
Let's look at facts in X-Men comics
Xavier had a mental breakdown after onslaught to the point of dementia. (xmen #91). His son Legion followed suit in the comics. In fact Legion (TV) was so well uniquely received because it dealt with themes of mental illness and bipolar disorder. Legion called the greatest comic book show so far. Deadpool, Moria and Northstar survived cancers and aids like illness in the xmen comics (legacy virus) . Long lost daughters? Like Wolverine/X-23 already in the comics/cartoons or Cable/Hope in the xmen modern classic story of messiah complex and second coming or even Raven/Rogue as twisted as it is. Funny X-men comics have had a lot of these story lines MCU fans claim to be westerns and not comic books. Reason X-Men has the best marvel written literacy. Logan was just a reflection of that. No wonder mcu movies are garbage , its about jokes, toys and explosions. Nothing real. MCU fans never read any comic. That is now fact. Just one more reason xmen mcu is a disaster in the making, with this type of dumb thinking of denial and bs. I hope Steven Spielberg is right that the comic book genre will be dead by then with all the mcu saturated movies. Please let it just end with new mutants and xforce. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 23, 2018 23:18:59 GMT
Xavier had a mental breakdown after onslaught to the point of dementia. (xmen #91). His son Legion followed suit in the comics. In fact Legion (TV) was so well uniquely received because it dealt with themes of mental illness and bipolar disorder. Legion called the greatest comic book show so far. Actually, Agents of Shield is rated higher. And Non-X-Men comics dealt with those themes first. Captain Marvel did that Cancer story first. Other non-X-Men comics did that first. After other Marvel comics that weren't X-Men did the real work for them. Not even close. Being unashamed, which FoX-Men will never be. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 23, 2018 23:20:03 GMT
Wait, The Dark Knight wasn't nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay? For films, screen play is the second most prestigious award after best picture but many thanks to the nolan movies and xmen movies. they brought so much credibility to the genre Actually, Nolan and Singer nearly destroyed the Genre. The MCU has been working overtime to undo the damage they did. |
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Post by charzhino on Jan 23, 2018 23:34:02 GMT
Hey charzhino, you will not believe what I just read by the MCU fan boys. these boys don't realise they themselves continue to expose how much MCU sucks and will always be inferior to DC/X-Men/Spiderman in movies, comics, games and animations. Apparently Logan is more like a western than a super hero movie because superhero stories never had things like mental illness, deep surrogate father daughter relationship and mutants dealing with serious diseases like cancer? um, what?
Let's look at facts in X-Men comics
Xavier had a mental breakdown after onslaught to the point of dementia. (xmen #91). His son Legion followed suit in the comics. In fact Legion (TV) was so well uniquely received because it dealt with themes of mental illness and bipolar disorder. Legion called the greatest comic book show so far. Deadpool, Moria and Northstar survived cancers and aids like illness in the xmen comics (legacy virus) . Long lost daughters? Like Wolverine/X-23 already in the comics/cartoons or Cable/Hope in the xmen modern classic story of messiah complex and second coming or even Raven/Rogue as twisted as it is. Funny X-men comics have had a lot of these story lines MCU fans claim to be westerns and not comic books. Reason X-Men has the best marvel written literacy. Logan was just a reflection of that. No wonder mcu movies are garbage , its about jokes, toys and explosions. Nothing real. MCU fans never read any comic. That is now fact. Just one more reason xmen mcu is a disaster in the making, with this type of dumb thinking of denial and bs. I hope Steven Spielberg is right that the comic book genre will be dead by then with all the mcu saturated movies. Please let it just end with new mutants and xforce. Yeah i read that and found it peculiar. A lot of people want to discredit the screenplay nom from both comic and non-comic fan sides, coming up with alternate explanations of why it got the accolade. Moonlight when it won best picture got tarnished by people saying it was only because of the oscars so white campaign. Leo when he won best actor for Revanant people said it was a lifetime award rather than the performance. And now similar things with Logan. There may be small truths to the theories, but ultimately its in best adapted screenplay because its a great stand-alone film that Mangold managed to pull off given the negative reaction Apocalypse got. As for Xavier having illness and Logan suffering psychologically yeah thats well established in the comics, and the film payed off and presented those themes without holding back, something MCU would never do. Ironman 3 is the closest to Logan in the sense that a lot of themes overlap, mainly the protagonists mental/physical deterioration, both tied to a child they initially have no bond with and on the run from a hidden enemy. Only difference with IM3 is its an MCU movie and they dont care about portraying emotion, drama and depth of the topics they cover with any substance. Its all superficial. If IM3 was like Logan, Stark would have actually suffered a lot more psychologically at the hands of the real Mandarin, pepper should have been killed off like Xavier and they should have used alcoholism combined with his PTSD to really show us how messed up he was, basically like young Xavier was in DOFP. But they had to go with the safe option and thats why no MCU movie will get close to a Logan type achievement. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 0:16:28 GMT
Given its predecessor, The Wolverine, isnt that well recognised, Im leaning to the latter. I think the voters finally decided to give some credence to the resources that comic books can offer, and that a good standalone film can be adapted out of them. I think it's more in that the movie is more a western than a superhero movie. Then you have him dying at the end like a lot of one off westerns. Taking care of a mentally ill old man. Oh and the "cancer" he kinda had. And the long lost daughter he falls for by the end. There is a lot of "Oscar bait" in the movie. The movie is good, but you can tick off the boxes on the check list. This reminds me of TDK's critical reception being met with "it's more of a crime movie than a superhero one". Thing is, superhero stories blending genres isn't really out of the ordinary. I'd almost argue that "superhero" isn't even a genre, just an element that can be used in one. Most superhero movies are action adventure, of course. Some are comedies. Some are sci-fi. Some are war. We're even getting coming of age and espionage superhero movies now. Anyway, what I'm saying is that Logan being a western drama doesn't take away from the fact that it's a superhero movie. The third act has an evil clone, ffs. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 24, 2018 0:37:11 GMT
Yeah i read that and found it peculiar. A lot of people want to discredit the screenplay nom from both comic and non-comic fan sides, coming up with alternate explanations of why it got the accolade. Moonlight when it won best picture got tarnished by people saying it was only because of the oscars so white campaign. That may partly been it, but I don't think La La Land deserved all its wins either. It was, all he really did in that film was wrestle a CGI Bear. IM3 had the protagonist be proactive instead of defeatist and didn't destroy the entire MCU to get the main character alone. They'd have destroyed the entire MCU to get Stark on his own and then kill him off and eliminate any future storytelling possibilities. IE, needlessly ruined a lot of hard work. |
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Post by kleinreturns on Jan 24, 2018 1:12:24 GMT
Wow, so you folks care deeply about the Oscars. its telling but the nom says a lot. it says Logan was actually considered for best picture until they remembered it was a comic book movie and shut it out because the screenplays are the next big thing to best picture and best director and 99% of the time, whoever wins for screenplay wins for best picture. Wow, i'm surprised that you didn't blame the MCU for Logan's failure to get an BP nomination. |
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