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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 7, 2018 17:57:12 GMT
Very well. The Incredibles, a superhero movie, won Best Animated Feature in 2005, in addition to being nominated for Best Writing. Oh, wait doesn't count because it was an original product? OK then Big Hero 6, another superhero film which *was based* on a Marvel comic book and was totally done by Disney and not by Marvel Studios, won for Best Animated Feature in 2015. No tough competition you'll say next? It went up against How to Train Your Dragon 2, Son of the Sea, The Boxtrolls, and Princess Kaguya. If anything, Logan's Best Adapted Screenplay nomination is a good thing for Marvel and Disney rather than a "see, THAT is how its done!" lecture you make it out to be. 1, because Marvel now knows the Academy isn't too biased towards films based on their properties and 2, Disney has more reason to not let go of Fox to another bidder no matter the price. I used my head, and I very much enjoyed the first GOTG and think it's more than a good movie, its a great one. DOFP, while pretty good, was essentially a way to erase the bad taste from The Last Stand and X-Men Origins from people's mouths and try to fix the sloppy continuity the past films had trouble maintaining as they went along. Winter Soldier actually maintained continuity from the other MCU films and turned the tables on its whole establishment with its Hydra twist. On a technical level, DOFP has a stronger color palate but its frame rate and shutter speed give the movement from the actors and the action set pieces a really blurry look that makes it feel like a soap opera of sorts. WS on the other hand used better camera settings that allowed more seamless looking action sequences without any distracting blurs that took you out of the story. Singer also has some issues when handling large scale scenes - this is why most of his movies are set in smaller environments. The way he approaches them doesn't make you feel you're really there and the stage-y-ness comes off pretty obvious to the viewer. The Russos blended visual effects and real environments better and captured scope better as well in WS and so on in Civil War and appear to do so again in Infinity War. Spielberg's actual quote is this - And Spielberg said that on superhero movies in 2015, his quote on GOTG is from a year later. Spielberg also was talking about superhero movies IN GENERAL in his 2015 statement, not MCU specifically. He referring to all them from your Avengers to your Dark Knights to your Logans. Technically no, Spielberg comments was about the genre and the future, he still holds today. Logan and tdk are pioneers of the genre and redefined it , gave it real life and did not over saturate the genre. When people like Speilberg or Nolan or Mangold talk about comic films so negatively, it is due to the saturation of non stop mcu movies that function like process foods. Look at all the backlash to comic films in 2017 alone. It never happened during tdks or logan/X2, spiderman trilogy because the genre had credibility then. Add also these were more serious grown up movies with real creative independent input. tdk and logans are for smart people, reason they will remain highly respected and timeless. mcu movies? not so much.
Spielberg didn't give a pass to any superhero film in his comment, he was talking about every single one on the market place as a whole, not a particular group. What backlash? The MCU did fairly well in 2017, you must be thinking of Justice League which underperformed and only continued to complicate Warner Bros.' plans for the DCEU going forward. Had credibility back then? We saw fewer quality superhero movies in the early to late 00's. Spider-Man 1 and 2, X-Men 1 and 2, and the first two entries of Nolan's Batman trilogy were the exception, not the rule. We saw much more mediocre to just plain bad superhero movies in that period than today where they are fewer and in between. On the TV side we had like what? Smallville? And a couple of short lived ones like Witchblade and Birds of Prey. Seriously are you a troll or smoking those funny sticks?
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 7, 2018 18:12:44 GMT
Technically no, Spielberg comments was about the genre and the future, he still holds today. Logan and tdk are pioneers of the genre and redefined it , gave it real life and did not over saturate the genre. When people like Speilberg or Nolan or Mangold talk about comic films so negatively, it is due to the saturation of non stop mcu movies that function like process foods. Look at all the backlash to comic films in 2017 alone. It never happened during tdks or logan/X2, spiderman trilogy because the genre had credibility then. Add also these were more serious grown up movies with real creative independent input. tdk and logans are for smart people, reason they will remain highly respected and timeless. mcu movies? not so much.
Spielberg didn't give a pass to any superhero film in his comment, he was talking about every single one on the market place as a whole, not a particular group. What backlash? The MCU did fairly well in 2017, you must be thinking of Justice League which underperformed and only continued to complicate Warner Bros.' plans for the DCEU going forward. Had credibility back then? We saw fewer quality superhero movies in the early to late 00's. Spider-Man 1 and 2, X-Men 1 and 2, and the first two entries of Nolan's Batman trilogy were the exception, not the rule. We saw much more mediocre to just plain bad superhero movies in that period than today where they were fewer and in between. On the TV side we had like what? Smallville? And a couple of short lived ones like Witchblade and Birds of Prey. Seriously are you a troll or smoking those funny sticks? I've spoken to him on another forum where he calls himself "Dales", he hates the MCU because to him it's all Batman and Robin because they rejected the "Grounded" approach and do stuff like wear costumes and have any kind of levity and stuff like that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 20:12:26 GMT
Spielberg didn't give a pass to any superhero film in his comment, he was talking about every single one on the market place as a whole, not a particular group. What backlash? The MCU did fairly well in 2017, you must be thinking of Justice League which underperformed and only continued to complicate Warner Bros.' plans for the DCEU going forward. Had credibility back then? We saw fewer quality superhero movies in the early to late 00's. Spider-Man 1 and 2, X-Men 1 and 2, and the first two entries of Nolan's Batman trilogy were the exception, not the rule. We saw much more mediocre to just plain bad superhero movies in that period than today where they were fewer and in between. On the TV side we had like what? Smallville? And a couple of short lived ones like Witchblade and Birds of Prey. Seriously are you a troll or smoking those funny sticks? I've spoken to him on another forum where he calls himself "Dales", he hates the MCU because to him it's all Batman and Robin because they rejected the "Grounded" approach and do stuff like wear costumes and have any kind of levity and stuff like that. I also saw on the Lord of the Rings board he once said that Harry Potter was better than LOTR because because it was from the 21st century. By his logic that means Twilight and Hunger Games are better than LOTR. Going as far as to say that people only say LOTR is better because it's the "cool" thing to do and that if you say LOTR is a masterpiece then Harry Potter is even more of a masterpiece otherwise you're wrong. Yet he expects us to take him seriously when it comes to all that artsy fartsy crap in movies.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 7, 2018 20:14:53 GMT
I've spoken to him on another forum where he calls himself "Dales", he hates the MCU because to him it's all Batman and Robin because they rejected the "Grounded" approach and do stuff like wear costumes and have any kind of levity and stuff like that. I also saw on the Lord of the Rings board he once said that Harry Potter was better than LOTR because because it was from the 21st century. By his logic that means Twilight and Hunger Games are better than LOTR. Going as far as to say that people only say LOTR is better because it's the "cool" thing to do and that if you say LOTR is a masterpiece then Harry Potter is even more of a masterpiece otherwise you're wrong. Yet he expects us to take him seriously when it comes to all that artsy fartsy crap in movies. And even then, Harry Potter started in the 1990s...
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 7, 2018 21:10:02 GMT
I've spoken to him on another forum where he calls himself "Dales", he hates the MCU because to him it's all Batman and Robin because they rejected the "Grounded" approach and do stuff like wear costumes and have any kind of levity and stuff like that. I also saw on the Lord of the Rings board he once said that Harry Potter was better than LOTR because because it was from the 21st century. By his logic that means Twilight and Hunger Games are better than LOTR. Going as far as to say that people only say LOTR is better because it's the "cool" thing to do and that if you say LOTR is a masterpiece then Harry Potter is even more of a masterpiece otherwise you're wrong. Yet he expects us to take him seriously when it comes to all that artsy fartsy crap in movies. Wait, can you link me to this BS?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 21:19:21 GMT
I also saw on the Lord of the Rings board he once said that Harry Potter was better than LOTR because because it was from the 21st century. By his logic that means Twilight and Hunger Games are better than LOTR. Going as far as to say that people only say LOTR is better because it's the "cool" thing to do and that if you say LOTR is a masterpiece then Harry Potter is even more of a masterpiece otherwise you're wrong. Yet he expects us to take him seriously when it comes to all that artsy fartsy crap in movies. Wait, can you link me to this BS? true-false-harry-potter-rings
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 7, 2018 21:31:12 GMT
Wow, as a fan of both series, I can tell that is one incredibly sh!tty argument.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 7, 2018 22:42:48 GMT
Wow, as a fan of both series, I can tell that is one incredibly sh!tty argument. Much like his Anti-MCU stance.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 8, 2018 19:11:54 GMT
um, well. facts here.
I never said twilight and hunger games are better than LOTR. they are not.
I did say Hunger games was far more compelling and better than the mcu movies and that is true. Please, disney cannot even make any hunger games movie. they will find it too serious, dramatic and complex for their kids base. that makes hunger games better. period.
There was a LOTR vs HP debate and I said while both were great, HP had stronger story telling and an overall better plot.
Um and did you know one of the inspiration of HP came from X-Men? MCU fans just love to lie.spare me the bs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 20:25:42 GMT
um, well. facts here. I never said twilight and hunger games are better than LOTR. they are not. I did say Hunger games was far more compelling and better than the mcu movies and that is true. Please, disney cannot even make any hunger games movie. they will find it too serious, dramatic and complex for their kids base. that makes hunger games better. period. There was a LOTR vs HP debate and I said while both were great, HP had stronger story telling and an overall better plot. Um and did you know one of the inspiration of HP came from X-Men? MCU fans just love to lie.spare me the bs. Well after you said Hunger Games was better than MCU. I can officially deem you a troll. I did not find Hunger Games dramatic or complex at all it was just another run of the mill teen novel. Spare me the BS. Harry Potter has nowhere near as compelling of a story as LOTR. You came up with some pretty bad arguments trying to say HP was better. So sorry buddy if you want act all intelligent and talk down to us then I am in no mood to hear it. I am a fan of MCU and X Men but you are ironically the one spreading lies.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 8, 2018 20:53:36 GMT
um, well. facts here. I never said twilight and hunger games are better than LOTR. they are not. I did say Hunger games was far more compelling and better than the mcu movies and that is true. Please, disney cannot even make any hunger games movie. they will find it too serious, dramatic and complex for their kids base. that makes hunger games better. period. There was a LOTR vs HP debate and I said while both were great, HP had stronger story telling and an overall better plot. Um and did you know one of the inspiration of HP came from X-Men? MCU fans just love to lie.spare me the bs. Well after you said Hunger Games was better than MCU. I can officially deem you a troll. I did not find Hunger Games dramatic or complex at all it was just another run of the mill teen novel. Spare me the BS. Harry Potter has nowhere near as compelling of a story as LOTR. You came up with some pretty bad arguments trying to say HP was better. So sorry buddy if you want act all intelligent and talk down to us then I am in no mood to hear it. I am a fan of MCU and X Men but you are ironically the one spreading lies. Except hunger games is better than the mcu. that is fact. hunger games is better because it told a very gripping and powerful story about a dystopian future with a lot of complex and mature themes MCU usually bans in their movies so it can be more light hearted and fun and that makes mcu weaker than hunger games along with their dumb joke cgi driven movies with little substance to hunger games that were serious drama movies. As for HP, I already proved it in the discussion with many examples. funny thing is i gave solid arguments and some people agreed. you have yet to give any. if i did not know better I will say you are one of formershamd socks. I have him on ignore. you could be next. if you don't drop the bs.if this was a live debate, you would have lost. BIG TIME. So do drop the bs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 21:00:12 GMT
Well after you said Hunger Games was better than MCU. I can officially deem you a troll. I did not find Hunger Games dramatic or complex at all it was just another run of the mill teen novel. Spare me the BS. Harry Potter has nowhere near as compelling of a story as LOTR. You came up with some pretty bad arguments trying to say HP was better. So sorry buddy if you want act all intelligent and talk down to us then I am in no mood to hear it. I am a fan of MCU and X Men but you are ironically the one spreading lies. Except hunger games is better than the mcu. that is fact. hunger games is better because it told a very gripping and powerful story about a dystopian future with a lot of complex and mature themes MCU usually bans in their movies so it can be more light hearted and fun and that makes mcu weaker than hunger games along with their dumb joke cgi driven movies with little substance to hunger games that were serious drama movies. As for HP, I already proved it in the discussion with many examples. funny thing is i gave solid arguments and many people agreed. you have yet to give any. if i did not know better I will say you are one of formershamd socks. I have him on ignore. you could be next. if you don't drop the bs.if this was a live debate, you would have lost. BIG TIME. So do drop the bs. You saying it's a fact doesn't make it true buddy. You can go on and on about why you think MCU sucks and why you think people agree with you. You did not prove anything you just say what you say is a fact and claim people agree with you. I am not one of his socks. Did you just ignore that I said I'm a fan of X Men? If this was a live debate you would've been called out on your BS and on making accusations I wouldn't have lost anything except my own time. I'm not the one spewing bs here. I give zero fucks if you put me on ignore; go ahead do it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 8, 2018 22:43:50 GMT
You're ashamed of anything that isn't ashamed of itself. Because you hate comics that are unashamed. No, Hunger Games is fairly simplistic. Disney's made harder stuff already. There's nothing mature about a post-apocalyptic setting. Which proves your bias. It doesn't. X-Men's too boring for HP.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 8, 2018 22:45:50 GMT
Except hunger games is better than the mcu. If you're ashamed of comics. No you didn't. You didn't back up anything, because you can't. Because I respond back, and you just can't stand that. Coward.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 8, 2018 22:54:56 GMT
Except hunger games is better than the mcu. that is fact. hunger games is better because it told a very gripping and powerful story about a dystopian future with a lot of complex and mature themes MCU usually bans in their movies so it can be more light hearted and fun and that makes mcu weaker than hunger games along with their dumb joke cgi driven movies with little substance to hunger games that were serious drama movies. As for HP, I already proved it in the discussion with many examples. funny thing is i gave solid arguments and many people agreed. you have yet to give any. if i did not know better I will say you are one of formershamd socks. I have him on ignore. you could be next. if you don't drop the bs.if this was a live debate, you would have lost. BIG TIME. So do drop the bs. You saying it's a fact doesn't make it true buddy. You can go on and on about why you think MCU sucks and why you think people agree with you. You did not prove anything you just say what you say is a fact and claim people agree with you. I am not one of his socks. Did you just ignore that I said I'm a fan of X Men? If this was a live debate you would've been called out on your BS and on making accusations I wouldn't have lost anything except my own time. I'm not the one spewing bs here. I give zero fucks if you put me on ignore; go ahead do it. He posts on another forum under the name "Dales", he didn't have me blocked there so I was able to fire back. You wouldn't believe the meltdown he had.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 2:51:23 GMT
You saying it's a fact doesn't make it true buddy. You can go on and on about why you think MCU sucks and why you think people agree with you. You did not prove anything you just say what you say is a fact and claim people agree with you. I am not one of his socks. Did you just ignore that I said I'm a fan of X Men? If this was a live debate you would've been called out on your BS and on making accusations I wouldn't have lost anything except my own time. I'm not the one spewing bs here. I give zero fucks if you put me on ignore; go ahead do it. He posts on another forum under the name "Dales", he didn't have me blocked there so I was able to fire back. You wouldn't believe the meltdown he had. I know it was on a Star Trek forum. Most people there just tend to brush him off as a MCU hating troll.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Feb 9, 2018 9:49:44 GMT
Just watching videos like Screen Junkies News when ones asks the other if Logan came out this year. Also, Screen Junkies? Those guys in general have a poor memory of the X-Men films. They said the president in X3 was a villian, Mystique was bad in DOFP, think Xavier and Wolverine shouldn’t know the old timeline, etc.
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 9, 2018 14:37:04 GMT
Just watching videos like Screen Junkies News when ones asks the other if Logan came out this year. Also, Screen Junkies? Those guys in general have a poor memory of the X-Men films. They said the president in X3 was a villian, Mystique was a bad in DOFP, think Xavier and Wolverine shouldn’t the old timeline, etc. So you are comparing remembering a movie from back in 2005 to a movie that came out last year? If I said that Lando was in charge of a place called Sky City in ESB would you say that my memory of all movies from then til now is bad? Also, Mystique was bad in DoFP. The same as Magneto being bad in Apocalypse. Yeah, they turned around in the end, but they were still bad through out the movie.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 9, 2018 14:49:27 GMT
Just watching videos like Screen Junkies News when ones asks the other if Logan came out this year. Also, Screen Junkies? Those guys in general have a poor memory of the X-Men films. They said the president in X3 was a villian, Mystique was a bad in DOFP, think Xavier and Wolverine shouldn’t the old timeline, etc. interesting trivia about logan and get out.
Logan and Get Out are the first movies since almost a decade to get any artistic recognition one year after release. Usually the best of the artistic moves come out late in the year. Logan and get out were out in February. That was how memorable both films where. What happened to thor 3 and spiderman H again? just made more people come out to say comic films are trash today end 2017 with Jodi forster.
mcu fans don't want to listen to a film great like david finch or jodi that has said mcu movies are bad but they love fan boys joking on screenjunkies about movie year dates? the credibility is low right now.
we need more logans. the hope is with DC now
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 9, 2018 15:03:53 GMT
Also, Screen Junkies? Those guys in general have a poor memory of the X-Men films. They said the president in X3 was a villian, Mystique was a bad in DOFP, think Xavier and Wolverine shouldn’t the old timeline, etc. interesting trivia about logan and get out.
Logan and Get Out are the first movies since almost a decade to get any artistic recognition one year after release. Usually the best of the artistic moves come out late in the year. Logan and get out were out in February. That was how memorable both films where. What happened to thor 3 and spiderman H again? just made more people come out to say comic films are trash today end 2017 with Jodi forster.
mcu fans don't want to listen to a film great like david finch that has said mcu movies are bad but they love fan boys joking on screenjunkies? the credibility is low right now.
It’s the same ceremony that decided to give Best Picture nomination to ‘Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close’ over ‘Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2’ after doing the same thing with ‘The Reader’ over ‘WALL-E’. Let those soak in...
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