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Post by Skaathar on Feb 27, 2018 22:48:29 GMT
I've heard it said time and time again that the MCU movies are very formulaic, with movies very similar to each other. I have to ask, have these people seen what other studios do with their superhero movies? Because compared to other studios, the MCU actually has a very varied, diversified movie-making style. Let's do some comparisons shall we?
For DC, they started with the bright and campy Donner Superman film. Their next few films were then made, not only with the same exact superhero, but with also the same exact tone. Even when they tried a different hero (Supergirl) it was done in the same bright and campy tone. They finally did change movie styles with Burton's Batman movie and guess what kind of movies followed after that: A whole bunch of other Batman movies all with slightly different variations of the dark, serious style, with most of the movie happening during night time. Even when it wasn't a Batman movie it still followed the same dark and serious tone like V for Vendetta, Watchmen, Catwoman, heck even Steel and MOS. The only major DC movies I can recall that didn't follow one of their formulas were Green Lantern and Wonder Woman, but since majority of their movies fit in the same tone (using almost always the same type of vigilante-esque character) we could definitely say that DC was not great at creating diverse movie-styles.
Fox is even worse. Every single X-men movie they've made that's not name Deadpool or Logan has had the exact same tone. Not only that, they've also rotated about the exact same 3-4 characters (Xavier, Magneto, Wolverine and Rogue or Mystique) and for most of the movies, had very similar plots. Their movies were about as varied as their black leather costumes.
Compare that to the MCU who've given us movies like Avengers, The Winter Soldier, Black Panther, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-man, Homecoming, Thor TDW, Thor Ragnarok, Dr. Strange, Ironman, Hulk, etc. which were all tonally different from each other. Not only that, they're also perfectly willing to have movies based on different characters, with different motivations, different lifestyles and different costumes.
So the next time someone tells you that MCU movies are too generic and formulaic, ask them: "Why, is there another studio that makes more diversified superhero movies than the MCU?"
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Post by charzhino on Feb 27, 2018 23:18:49 GMT
Nice try but MCUs different costumes, settings and lifestyles aint fooling me. MCU films are in fact generic and formulaic because the vast majority stick close to the tried and tested checklist of a standard MCU flick. Namely, light hearted tone, excessive kiddy low brow humour, underdeveloped mirror image villains, recurring fake deaths, mindless CGI endings, low feeling of stakes and shying away from dramatic conflict.
There may be exceptions to these in Black Panther and Winter Soldier, like Deadpool/Logan you example, but the rest stick very close to make sure every box in this checklist is ticked.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 27, 2018 23:27:07 GMT
Nice try but MCUs different costumes, settings and lifestyles aint fooling me. MCU films are in fact generic and formulaic because the vast majority stick close to the tried and tested checklist of a standard MCU flick. Namely, light hearted tone, excessive kiddy low brow humour, underdeveloped mirror image villains, recurring fake deaths, mindless CGI endings, low feeling of stakes and shying away from dramatic conflict. There may be exceptions to these in Black Panther and Winter Soldier, like Deadpool/Logan you example, but the rest stick very close to make sure every box in this checklist is ticked. And yet Fox and DC movies are even more formulaic. As far as superhero movies go, the MCU still creates more diverse movies than other studios. P.S. - majority of those nitpicks you mentioned are present in DC and Fox movies as well |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 27, 2018 23:28:59 GMT
lol
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 27, 2018 23:54:28 GMT
Nice try but MCUs different costumes, settings and lifestyles aint fooling me. MCU films are in fact generic and formulaic because the vast majority stick close to the tried and tested checklist Like Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr Who, Lord of the Rings...essential storytelling stuff. |
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 28, 2018 3:49:34 GMT
"no no theyre not all mcu films are formulaic trash and cancer to cinema just like fifty shades of grey which is why every single intelligent people rightfully hate mcu for that reason" - summers8
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 28, 2018 4:56:18 GMT
"no no theyre not all mcu films are formulaic trash and cancer to cinema just like fifty shades of grey which is why every single intelligent people rightfully hate mcu for that reason" - summers8 A poet if ever there was one... |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Feb 28, 2018 5:03:29 GMT
"no no theyre not all mcu films are formulaic trash and cancer to cinema just like fifty shades of grey which is why every single intelligent people rightfully hate mcu for that reason" - summers8 A poet if ever there was one... A poet who can’t type a proper sentence... |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Feb 28, 2018 8:16:51 GMT
Fox is even worse. Every single X-men movie they've made that's not name Deadpool or Logan has had the exact same tone. Not only that, they've also rotated about the exact same 3-4 characters (Xavier, Magneto, Wolverine and Rogue or Mystique) and for most of the movies, had very similar plots. Their movies were about as varied as their black leather costumes. Of course they have the same tone and characters. The X-Men films are a single series and not a share universe. This is like complaining about the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films having the same tone and characters focus. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 28, 2018 8:20:40 GMT
Fox is even worse. Every single X-men movie they've made that's not name Deadpool or Logan has had the exact same tone. Not only that, they've also rotated about the exact same 3-4 characters (Xavier, Magneto, Wolverine and Rogue or Mystique) and for most of the movies, had very similar plots. Their movies were about as varied as their black leather costumes. Of course they have the same tone and characters. The X-Men films are a single series and not a share universe. This is like complaining about the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films having the same tone and characters focus. Nailed it. |
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Post by thenewnexus on Mar 1, 2018 3:10:41 GMT
Black Panther and Winter Soldier stand out thats it. The real prize are the Netflix shows
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 1, 2018 3:41:31 GMT
Black Panther and Winter Soldier stand out thats it. The real prize are the Netflix shows Eh, the Netflix shows all have the same problem that none have enough story to really last even 1 season. With the sole exception of DD season 1. The MCU movies single-highhandedly reinvigorated peoples' faith in Comic Movies that aren't afraid to be over the top and embrace the wondrous nature of comics after years and years of Singer and Nolan saying that "grounded" was the only way to go. |
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 1, 2018 3:54:51 GMT
Fox is even worse. Every single X-men movie they've made that's not name Deadpool or Logan has had the exact same tone. Not only that, they've also rotated about the exact same 3-4 characters (Xavier, Magneto, Wolverine and Rogue or Mystique) and for most of the movies, had very similar plots. Their movies were about as varied as their black leather costumes. Of course they have the same tone and characters. The X-Men films are a single series and not a share universe. This is like complaining about the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films having the same tone and characters focus. Yeah and? A TV series has multiple episodes and yet can still evolve in tone and rotate characters to keep it from getting stale. Besides, Fox could have easily made offshoot movies like DP. They chose not to. It still doesn't change the fact that DC and Fox movies are more monotonous than MCU movies. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 1, 2018 5:08:44 GMT
Of course they have the same tone and characters. The X-Men films are a single series and not a share universe. This is like complaining about the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films having the same tone and characters focus. Yeah and? A TV series has multiple episodes and yet can still evolve in tone and rotate characters to keep it from getting stale. Besides, Fox could have easily made offshoot movies like DP. They chose not to. It still doesn't change the fact that DC and Fox movies are more monotonous than MCU movies. TV series generally keep their tone the same if it’s working. Even great shows like Daredevil keep a consistent tone. What do you mean could have? They did after three films. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Mar 1, 2018 6:10:45 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 1, 2018 7:47:23 GMT
Yeah and? A TV series has multiple episodes and yet can still evolve in tone and rotate characters to keep it from getting stale. Besides, Fox could have easily made offshoot movies like DP. They chose not to. It still doesn't change the fact that DC and Fox movies are more monotonous than MCU movies. TV series generally keep their tone the same if it’s working. Even great shows like Daredevil keep a consistent tone. What do you mean could have? They did after three films. Yeah they had offshoots and it still had the same tone. Thus my comment that they are more formulaic than MCU movies. Are you denying this? |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 1, 2018 11:02:17 GMT
TV series generally keep their tone the same if it’s working. Even great shows like Daredevil keep a consistent tone. What do you mean could have? They did after three films. Yeah they had offshoots and it still had the same tone. Thus my comment that they are more formulaic than MCU movies. Are you denying this? No, Origins was goofy as hell. Even X3 was very different from the previous two films. Apples and oranges is my point. |
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 1, 2018 14:51:34 GMT
Yeah they had offshoots and it still had the same tone. Thus my comment that they are more formulaic than MCU movies. Are you denying this? No, Origins was goofy as hell. Even X3 was very different from the previous two films. Apples and oranges is my point. Goofy? I think you're confusing quality with tone. Just because origins and x3 were bad movies didn't mean they were a different tone. Give me an example of goofiness in Origins. |
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Post by charzhino on Mar 1, 2018 15:14:32 GMT
No, Origins was goofy as hell. Even X3 was very different from the previous two films. Apples and oranges is my point. Goofy? I think you're confusing quality with tone. Just because origins and x3 were bad movies didn't mean they were a different tone. Give me an example of goofiness in Origins. The whole Wolverine vs Blob boxing scene |
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 1, 2018 15:32:00 GMT
I love the MCU. They make great movies, but they all do follow the same formula. Sure, they are different as far as cast and story, but they look the same and have the same tone. What they have done is successful, so why change it? This is not to say that they do not take risks. People seem to forget that movies like Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man were going to bomb because no one cared at all about the characters. They ended up being very successful, but they ended up being so successful because they kept to their formula.
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