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Post by ck100 on Mar 2, 2018 2:13:32 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Mar 2, 2018 4:02:11 GMT
Worse than Cop Out? Go on...
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Post by ravi02 on Mar 2, 2018 4:02:27 GMT
I'm not surprised to see this getting terrible reviews.
I think a Death Wish remake with Willis in the lead could be interesting, but Willis seems bored with acting of late and choosing countless paycheck projects (similar to Nic Cage).
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Mar 2, 2018 4:26:21 GMT
Not surprised by the terrible reviews, but still disappointed. Everytime Eli Roth makes a movie I have hope it’s gonna be a genuinely good movie, but it never is (though I like all of his movies).
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Mar 2, 2018 5:04:04 GMT
“Critics Consensus: Death Wish is little more than a rote retelling that lacks the grit and conviction of the original -- and also suffers from spectacularly bad timing”
Hmmm sounds like the critics might be a little biased against it.
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Post by ck100 on Mar 2, 2018 5:18:55 GMT
I'm not surprised to see this getting terrible reviews. I think a Death Wish remake with Willis in the lead could be interesting, but Willis seems bored with acting of late and choosing countless paycheck projects (similar to Nic Cage). I know Vincent D'Onofrio is in this new one and I think he would have been a more inspired choice than Willis.
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Post by RobotTheLiving on Mar 2, 2018 7:32:14 GMT
I'm not surprised to see this getting terrible reviews. I think a Death Wish remake with Willis in the lead could be interesting, but Willis seems bored with acting of late and choosing countless paycheck projects (similar to Nic Cage). I know Vincent D'Onofrio is in this new one and I think he would have been a more inspired choice than Willis. They should've gotten someone unexpected in the role such as Paul Rudd or Adam Scott. Basically playing a beta male that you don't expect to get pushed so far and go on a vengeful killing spree. That would have been more compelling to watch.
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Post by darkknightofgotham on Mar 2, 2018 11:33:46 GMT
Half of the negative reviews are from liberal movie critics who are judging the film based on their own political views on guns.
The movie itself doesn't look that great, but that's a silly reason to give a film a bad review.
If this was a movie with an all-black cast set in the hood (featuring guns of course) it would have gotten glowing reviews.
But it's about a white guy exacting revenge on a broken system, so it will get bad reviews regardless of quality.
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Mar 2, 2018 14:40:51 GMT
It's a superhero fantasy for Breitbart readers.
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Post by spooner5020 on Mar 2, 2018 15:12:21 GMT
Ugh. Not surprised about this at all. I knew critics would bash it because of the subject matter. I do think Eli Roth was a strange choice for director as well. He's not bad in fact he's a very capable director. Problem is he's never done a movie like Death Wish.
Also like someone said. Bruce Willis hasn't been in any good action movies recently. I think he was a great choice for this movie and I'm sure he's great in it,but I think under a better director and writer this could have been the next Die Hard.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 2, 2018 15:54:22 GMT
We should probably keep in mind that even the original Death Wish got either mixed to very hostile reviews too. For more or less, the same reasons. Unless the person is wearing a cape and tights, film critics are leery of praising films about vigilantes.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 2, 2018 16:23:28 GMT
I learned a long time ago not to trust the critics. The original Death Wish is one of my favorite movies but I don't even intend to see this one in theaters. I'm sure I will see it sometime (cable, red box, public library, netflix). Looking at the trailers, I can see that this movie will not have the quality story telling of the original. This is no surprise since most remakes these days are pale imitations of the originals.
The original Death Wish was more of a character study and a commentary on society than an action movie though it had action elements.
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Post by ck100 on Mar 2, 2018 16:39:57 GMT
I learned a long time ago not to trust the critics. The original Death Wish is one of my favorite movies but I don't even intend to see this one in theaters. I'm sure I will see it sometime (cable, red box, public library, netflix). Looking at the trailers, I can see that this movie will not have the quality story telling of the original. This is no surprise since most remakes these days are pale imitations of the originals. The original Death Wish was more of a character study and a commentary on society than an action movie though it had action elements. At least judging from the trailer and reviews, it feels like Roth and Willis are more interested in seeing and having Kersey kill bad guys brutally in over-the-top ways than to make a film about commentary and a character study.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 2, 2018 16:42:59 GMT
I learned a long time ago not to trust the critics. The original Death Wish is one of my favorite movies but I don't even intend to see this one in theaters. I'm sure I will see it sometime (cable, red box, public library, netflix). Looking at the trailers, I can see that this movie will not have the quality story telling of the original. This is no surprise since most remakes these days are pale imitations of the originals. The original Death Wish was more of a character study and a commentary on society than an action movie though it had action elements. At least judging from the trailer and reviews, it feels like Roth and Willis are more interested in seeing and having Kersey kill bad guys brutally in over-the-top ways than to make a film about commentary and a character study. Exactly. And that's what's wrong with so many movies today. Every thing is so over the top that it gets ridiculous IMO.
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Post by ck100 on Mar 2, 2018 17:03:00 GMT
Well I call it more of a case of style over substance than being over-the-top.
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Post by moviemanjackson on Mar 2, 2018 19:18:26 GMT
Yeah this isn't bad. Think it believes it's smarter than it is, but Roth did a good job imo, showed a lot of restraint in the gore (only one gory scene and it's over in a flash) and Willis is better than he's been in recent movies. Paid $8.50 for it and it was still probably too much, but $5/matinee price you could have worse.
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Post by Nora on Mar 2, 2018 23:38:36 GMT
Yeah this isn't bad. Think it believes it's smarter than it is, but Roth did a good job imo, showed a lot of restraint in the gore (only one gory scene and it's over in a flash) and Willis is better than he's been in recent movies. Paid $8.50 for it and it was still probably too much, but $5/matinee price you could have worse. where on earth do you pay 8.5 for not a matinee? (genuinely interested) (and maybe wanna move there I counted two gore scenes and the first one (the leg) actually made me look away from thes creen, which doesnt happen to me often. but it was more of because of what he was saying when he was doing it, than what we actualyl saw. the brain one was worse in that way. typical Roth though i wouldnt call it a good movie but enjoyed it.
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Post by Nora on Mar 2, 2018 23:49:13 GMT
the timing IS unfortunate (or ironic, you pick), it does get a bit cringy because of it (especially because of this one scene where they are selling assault riffles in the store and are all so happy about it) but it didn't really bother me, since the movie did work in enough scenes to counter that "trigger happy" notion.
what bothered me was the level of deus ex machina moments in this otherwise fairly realistic looking movie. major points down for that. i wish they had gone with just a few less occasions where Bruce is helped/saved by a complete coincidence (very unlikely one too). it would have given it more credibility.
I did enjoy it, the entire movie, and liked it more toward the end (and really liked the last action scene, very jackal-ish, I love the Jackal) But it was odd to see Bruce robbed of his classic weapons (irony, confidence and humor). What is left of Bruce Willis when you take this away is basically an old boring bold guy, devoid of any real personality. And while I get thats that may have been the point here, it takes a while to adjust to it as a viewer. To the stripped Bruce. He has been boxed into almost always playing this snappy character full of wit and even arrogance, and to see him here completely different didn't work for me for a while. It felt like he wasn't acting well enough.
but once you get used to it, and if you don't mind all the "well, how convenient was this completely random coincidence that just happened to work out for you wonderfully" there is nothing stopping you from enjoying this decent B movie.
Well, maybe comparing it with the original. Just dont. :-)
would give it a 6. (4 for film craft, 6 for genre, 8 for entertainment value)
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Post by moviemanjackson on Mar 3, 2018 3:04:44 GMT
the timing IS unfortunate (or ironic, you pick), it does get a bit cringy because of it (especially because of this one scene where they are selling assault riffles in the store and are all so happy about it) but it didn't really bother me, since the movie did work in enough scenes to counter that "trigger happy" notion. what bothered me was the level of deus ex machina moments in this otherwise fairly realistic looking movie. major points down for that. i wish they had gone with just a few less occasions where Bruce is helped/saved by a complete coincidence (very unlikely one too). it would have given it more credibility. I did enjoy it, the entire movie, and liked it more toward the end (and really liked the last action scene, very jackal-ish, I love the Jackal) But it was odd to see Bruce robbed of his classic weapons (irony, confidence and humor). What is left of Bruce Willis when you take this away is basically an old boring bold guy, devoid of any real personality. And while I get thats that may have been the point here, it takes a while to adjust to it as a viewer. To the stripped Bruce. He has been boxed into almost always playing this snappy character full of wit and even arrogance, and to see him here completely different didn't work for me for a while. It felt like he wasn't acting well enough. but once you get used to it, and if you don't mind all the " well, how convenient was this completely random coincidence that just happened to work out for you wonderfully" there is nothing stopping you from enjoying this decent B movie. Well, maybe comparing it with the original. Just dont. :-) would give it a 6. (4 for film craft, 6 for genre, 8 for entertainment value) Columbus, OH! My local theater does $8.50 matinees on the weekend before 5pm (currently unemployed lol cause I resigned weeks ago), and $5 matinees M-Th before 5pm. Was there ever any point to Willis' character almost getting into it at the soccer game with that other parent? IIRC, that guy never came back in the movie, right? There are multiple scenes that do not further the narrative.
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Post by Nora on Mar 3, 2018 3:14:01 GMT
the timing IS unfortunate (or ironic, you pick), it does get a bit cringy because of it (especially because of this one scene where they are selling assault riffles in the store and are all so happy about it) but it didn't really bother me, since the movie did work in enough scenes to counter that "trigger happy" notion. what bothered me was the level of deus ex machina moments in this otherwise fairly realistic looking movie. major points down for that. i wish they had gone with just a few less occasions where Bruce is helped/saved by a complete coincidence (very unlikely one too). it would have given it more credibility. I did enjoy it, the entire movie, and liked it more toward the end (and really liked the last action scene, very jackal-ish, I love the Jackal) But it was odd to see Bruce robbed of his classic weapons (irony, confidence and humor). What is left of Bruce Willis when you take this away is basically an old boring bold guy, devoid of any real personality. And while I get thats that may have been the point here, it takes a while to adjust to it as a viewer. To the stripped Bruce. He has been boxed into almost always playing this snappy character full of wit and even arrogance, and to see him here completely different didn't work for me for a while. It felt like he wasn't acting well enough. but once you get used to it, and if you don't mind all the " well, how convenient was this completely random coincidence that just happened to work out for you wonderfully" there is nothing stopping you from enjoying this decent B movie. Well, maybe comparing it with the original. Just dont. :-) would give it a 6. (4 for film craft, 6 for genre, 8 for entertainment value) Columbus, OH! My local theater does $8.50 matinees on the weekend before 5pm (currently unemployed lol cause I resigned weeks ago), and $5 matinees M-Th before 5pm. Was there ever any point to Willis' character almost getting into it at the soccer game with that other parent? IIRC, that guy never came back in the movie, right? There are multiple scenes that do not further the narrative. to me the point was to show that he was a stable guy that doesnt jump into a conflict (or even avoids conflict) and also to give him a bit of guilt later like he "didnt protect his family" (the guy did say "you have your woman defending you"). So i think it was there purely to establish his character. but it did feel a bit forced yes. now if you excuse me, am gonna look into cost of living and flights to Columbus, OH and see if it makes sense to move there FOR HOW CHEAP THE TICKETS ARE. I paid 15 and felt "good" about it
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