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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 18, 2018 4:59:43 GMT
And Widow was before Emma Peel anyways. Yes, but it should be noted that Widow went thru some costume changes before Marvel finally settled on a design, John Romita was definitely influenced by, more or less, how Emma Peel looked on the show. Tom Brevoot who has worked for Marvel for years as an editor said so, link - live.washingtonpost.com/the-avengers-050412.htmlThat's what I said in my earlier post. Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel. A: Tom Brevoort Scarlet Johansson, kinda. There's a certain similarlity between the Black Widow and Emma Peel. While the Widow was created earlier, when John Romita redesigned her costume to more or less what she wears in the movie, Diana Rigg in teh television series was a clear influence.But to be honest, Emma Peel has influenced many female characters in media, including Wonder Woman in the 70's.[/quote] No, Wonder Woman was created in the 1940s. Wonder Woman is an Amazon with superpowers. Emma Peel is a human with no superpowers. Emma Peel wears a black leather outfit (which Black Widow copied). Wonder Woman wears a red, blue, and gold costume. Emma Peel uses a gun (which Black Widow copies). Wonder Woman uses a sword, shield, and lasso. There isn't any similarity between Wonder Woman and Emma Peel. |
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Post by James Bond on Mar 18, 2018 5:11:55 GMT
Yes, but it should be noted that Widow went thru some costume changes before Marvel finally settled on a design, John Romita was definitely influenced by, more or less, how Emma Peel looked on the show. Tom Brevoot who has worked for Marvel for years as an editor said so, link - live.washingtonpost.com/the-avengers-050412.htmlThat's what I said in my earlier post. Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel. A: Tom Brevoort Scarlet Johansson, kinda. There's a certain similarlity between the Black Widow and Emma Peel. While the Widow was created earlier, when John Romita redesigned her costume to more or less what she wears in the movie, Diana Rigg in teh television series was a clear influence.But to be honest, Emma Peel has influenced many female characters in media, including Wonder Woman in the 70's. [/quote]From the Wikipedia page on Wonder Woman, "At the end of the 1960s, under the guidance of Mike Sekowsky, Wonder Woman surrendered her powers in order to remain in Man's World rather than accompany her fellow Amazons to another dimension. Wonder Woman begins using the alias Diana Prince and opens a mod boutique. She acquires a Chinese mentor named I Ching, who teaches Diana martial arts and weapons skills. Using her fighting skill instead of her powers, Diana engaged in adventures that encompassed a variety of genres, from espionage to mythology.[34][35] This phase of her story was directly influenced by the British spy thriller The Avengers and Diana Rigg's portrayal of Emma Peel.[36]" "We were all in love with Diana Rigg and that show she was on." Mike Sekowsky, quoted in Les Daniels, Wonder Woman: The Complete History (Chronicle, 2004), p. 129.  |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 18, 2018 6:41:41 GMT
Yes, but it should be noted that Widow went thru some costume changes before Marvel finally settled on a design, John Romita was definitely influenced by, more or less, how Emma Peel looked on the show. Tom Brevoot who has worked for Marvel for years as an editor said so, link - live.washingtonpost.com/the-avengers-050412.htmlThat's what I said in my earlier post. Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel. A: Tom Brevoort Scarlet Johansson, kinda. There's a certain similarlity between the Black Widow and Emma Peel. While the Widow was created earlier, when John Romita redesigned her costume to more or less what she wears in the movie, Diana Rigg in teh television series was a clear influence.But to be honest, Emma Peel has influenced many female characters in media, including Wonder Woman in the 70's. No, Wonder Woman was created in the 1940s. Wonder Woman is an Amazon with superpowers. Emma Peel is a human with no superpowers. Emma Peel wears a black leather outfit (which Black Widow copied). Wonder Woman wears a red, blue, and gold costume. Emma Peel uses a gun (which Black Widow copies). Wonder Woman uses a sword, shield, and lasso. There isn't any similarity between Wonder Woman and Emma Peel. [/quote] A rip-off suggests they were copying a concept to where legal trouble is on the cards, the actual word you are looking for is "influenced", Black Widow's established appearance in the 70's to now was influenced by in part of how Emma Peel looked on TV, but that's where it ends. Wonder Woman however took a stronger influence from Emma Peel. In the 70's when Wonder Woman became depowered DC had her resign from the Justice League and go on James Bond style missions, and a strong source of inspiration to those stories and how the character when about handling dangerous situations was Emma Peel from The Avengers. Link - www.paradoxcomicsgroup.com/2009/08/four-colour-yesteryears-wonder-woman.htmlI mean, you're a DC-Fan, shouldn't you know this? |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 18, 2018 10:55:53 GMT
Damn, DC-Fan taking everyone to school... |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 18, 2018 13:16:59 GMT
If Black Widow were a rip-off of an Avengers TV series character, it'd be Cathy Gale. Black Widow debuted in 1964; Emma Peel in 1965.
A: Tom Brevoort
Scarlet Johansson, kinda. There's a certain similarlity between the Black Widow and Emma Peel. While the Widow was created earlier, when John Romita redesigned her costume to more or less what she wears in the movie, Diana Rigg in teh television series was a clear influence.Like I said, Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel. She got a later visual redesign. Happens to all characters, like Batman. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 18, 2018 13:17:34 GMT
Damn, DC-Fan taking everyone to school... Nah, he's forcing us to take him back to Kindergarten after he ran off. |
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Post by sostie on Mar 18, 2018 13:24:45 GMT
Yes, but it should be noted that Widow went thru some costume changes before Marvel finally settled on a design, John Romita was definitely influenced by, more or less, how Emma Peel looked on the show. Tom Brevoot who has worked for Marvel for years as an editor said so, link - live.washingtonpost.com/the-avengers-050412.htmlThat's what I said in my earlier post. Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel. Black Widow (1970)  Black Widow (2010)  Black Canary (2012)  Looks like it's not just Marvel who ripped off Emma Peel eh Evoking the Stars & Stripes...just like Captain America...created and published before WW....RIP-OFF She never actually had her own sword until the 80's. She never had the Godkiller sword...Deathstroke did......RIP-OFF She never had a shield until the 80s either....unlike Captain America.....RIP-OFF |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 18, 2018 16:28:16 GMT
Damn, DC-Fan taking everyone to school... Nah, he's forcing us to take him back to Kindergarten after he ran off. But you had to concede his point(s) in this very thread. Is he playing chess while the world plays checkers?! |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 18, 2018 16:32:19 GMT
Nah, he's forcing us to take him back to Kindergarten after he ran off. But you had to concede his point(s) in this very thread. Is he playing chess while the world plays checkers?! His point turned out to be factually wrong, as Widow predated Peel. |
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Post by James Bond on Mar 18, 2018 16:36:59 GMT
Nah, he's forcing us to take him back to Kindergarten after he ran off. But you had to concede his point(s) in this very thread. Is he playing chess while the world plays checkers?! Which point? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 18, 2018 17:33:07 GMT
But you had to concede his point(s) in this very thread. Is he playing chess while the world plays checkers?! Which point? That Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel and even the team name "Avengers" is a rip-off of the TV series, which came before Stan Lee's comic book and which noe of you MCU fans have addressed. live.washingtonpost.com/the-avengers-050412.htmlWho did you get to play Emma Peel?
A: Tom Brevoort
Scarlet Johansson, kinda. There's a certain similarlity between the Black Widow and Emma Peel. While the Widow was created earlier, when John Romita redesigned her costume to more or less what she wears in the movie, Diana Rigg in teh television series was a clear influence. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 18, 2018 17:36:24 GMT
In the 70's when Wonder Woman became depowered DC had her resign from the Justice League and go on James Bond style missions, and a strong source of inspiration to those stories and how the character when about handling dangerous situations was Emma Peel from The Avengers. Link - www.paradoxcomicsgroup.com/2009/08/four-colour-yesteryears-wonder-woman.htmlI mean, you're a DC-Fan, shouldn't you know this? That's non-canon, just like the Red Son Superman and the Gotham By Gaslight Batman and Justice League: Gods and Monsters are all non-canon. The true Superman is the one whose rocket landed in Kansas and was found by Jonathon and Martha Kent, not the one whose rocket landed in the Soviet Union and was found by Joseph Stalin. And the true Wonder Woman is the one who was created by Professor Marston and wears the red, blue, and gold costume and uses a lasso. By contrast, the Black Widow that wears a black leather outfit and uses a gun is canon and is a rip-off of Emma Peel. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 18, 2018 17:37:50 GMT
That Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel and even the team name "Avengers" is a rip-off of the TV series, which came before Stan Lee's comic book and which noe of you MCU fans have addressed. live.washingtonpost.com/the-avengers-050412.htmlWho did you get to play Emma Peel?
A: Tom Brevoort
Scarlet Johansson, kinda. There's a certain similarlity between the Black Widow and Emma Peel. While the Widow was created earlier, when John Romita redesigned her costume to more or less what she wears in the movie, Diana Rigg in teh television series was a clear influence.That one. He was right. |
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Post by James Bond on Mar 18, 2018 17:38:04 GMT
That Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel and even the team name "Avengers" is a rip-off of the TV series, which came before Stan Lee's comic book and which noe of you MCU fans have addressed. live.washingtonpost.com/the-avengers-050412.htmlWho did you get to play Emma Peel?
A: Tom Brevoort
Scarlet Johansson, kinda. There's a certain similarlity between the Black Widow and Emma Peel. While the Widow was created earlier, when John Romita redesigned her costume to more or less what she wears in the movie, Diana Rigg in teh television series was a clear influence.Black Widow PREDATED Emma Peel. A rip-off can't predate the original. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 18, 2018 17:43:25 GMT
That Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel and even the team name "Avengers" is a rip-off of the TV series, which came before Stan Lee's comic book and which noe of you MCU fans have addressed. live.washingtonpost.com/the-avengers-050412.htmlWho did you get to play Emma Peel?
A: Tom Brevoort
Scarlet Johansson, kinda. There's a certain similarlity between the Black Widow and Emma Peel. While the Widow was created earlier, when John Romita redesigned her costume to more or less what she wears in the movie, Diana Rigg in teh television series was a clear influence.Black Widow PREDATED Emma Peel. A rip-off can't predate the original. Uh, no. READ the words to which you are responding. I don't give one iota of a fuck about this argument, but your response makes me want to slam my head against a wall. |
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Post by James Bond on Mar 18, 2018 17:43:26 GMT
In the 70's when Wonder Woman became depowered DC had her resign from the Justice League and go on James Bond style missions, and a strong source of inspiration to those stories and how the character when about handling dangerous situations was Emma Peel from The Avengers. Link - www.paradoxcomicsgroup.com/2009/08/four-colour-yesteryears-wonder-woman.htmlI mean, you're a DC-Fan, shouldn't you know this? That's non-canon, just like the Red Son Superman and the Gotham By Gaslight Batman and Justice League: Gods and Monsters are all non-canon. The true Superman is the one whose rocket landed in Kansas and was found by Jonathon and Martha Kent, not the one whose rocket landed in the Soviet Union and was found by Joseph Stalin. And the true Wonder Woman is the one who was created by Professor Marston and wears the red, blue, and gold costume and uses a lasso. By contrast, the Black Widow that wears a black leather outfit and uses a gun is canon and is a rip-off of Emma Peel. Don't be ridiculous. Red Son is an Elseworlds story. Gotham by Gaslight is an Elseworlds story. Gods and Monsters is an Elseworlds story. DC hadn't even started doing Elseworlds stories when Wonder Woman went through her Emma Peel phase. |
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Post by James Bond on Mar 18, 2018 17:45:38 GMT
That Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel and even the team name "Avengers" is a rip-off of the TV series, which came before Stan Lee's comic book and which noe of you MCU fans have addressed. live.washingtonpost.com/the-avengers-050412.htmlWho did you get to play Emma Peel?
A: Tom Brevoort
Scarlet Johansson, kinda. There's a certain similarlity between the Black Widow and Emma Peel. While the Widow was created earlier, when John Romita redesigned her costume to more or less what she wears in the movie, Diana Rigg in teh television series was a clear influence.That one. He was right. He was not right. The Widow was created earlier. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 18, 2018 17:47:55 GMT
"Character A predates character B, but when the studio adapted character A for the screen they admittedly ripped off elements of character B." Therefore, the filmic depiction of Character A (we'll call her Character C) can be fairly called a "rip off" of Character B. If those elements hadn't been incorporated and the character had been simply an onscreen version of Character A, the claims would be invalid; there would be no Character C. The matter is settled. DC-Fan wins this round; move on. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 18, 2018 17:48:33 GMT
He was not right. The Widow was created earlier. See above. |
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Post by James Bond on Mar 18, 2018 17:50:47 GMT
Black Widow PREDATED Emma Peel. A rip-off can't predate the original. Uh, no. READ the words to which you are responding. I don't give one iota of a fuck about this argument, but your response makes me want to slam my head against a wall. What don't you get? You yourself bolded the part of that quote that mentioned how the Widow was created earlier. Black Widow was created BEFORE Emma Peel. Therefore, Black Widow CANNOT be a rip-off of Emma Peel. |
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