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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 18, 2018 17:58:41 GMT
Uh, no. READ the words to which you are responding. I don't give one iota of a fuck about this argument, but your response makes me want to slam my head against a wall. What don't you get? You yourself bolded the part of that quote that mentioned how the Widow was created earlier. Black Widow was created BEFORE Emma Peel. Therefore, Black Widow CANNOT be a rip-off of Emma Peel. See. Above: |
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Post by James Bond on Mar 18, 2018 18:01:42 GMT
"Character A predates character B, but when the studio adapted character A for the screen they admittedly ripped off elements of character B." Therefore, the filmic depiction of Character A (we'll call her Characrer C) can be fairly called a "rip off" of Character B. If those elements hadn't been incorporated and the character had been simply an onscreen version of Character A, the claims would be invalid; there would be no Character C. The matter is settled. DC-Fan wins this round; move on. DC-Fan did not SAY "the filmic depiction of" Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel. Obviously, the FILMIC DEPICTION of Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel but that's NOT what he SAID. What he SAID was, She was the archetypal femme fatale spy when her characters was first created back in the 60s. So yes. Even the team name "Avengers" is a rip-off of the TV series. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 18, 2018 18:02:29 GMT
"Character A predates character B, but when the studio adapted character A for the screen they admittedly ripped off elements of character B." Therefore, the filmic depiction of Character A (we'll call her Character C) can be fairly called a "rip off" of Character B. If those elements hadn't been incorporated and the character had been simply an onscreen version of Character A, the claims would be invalid; there would be no Character C. The matter is settled. DC-Fan wins this round; move on. DC-Fan did not SAY "the filmic depiction of" Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel. Obviously, the FILMIC DEPICTION of Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel but that's NOT what he SAID. What he SAID was, Black Widow is just a rip-off of Emma Peel. Even the team name "Avengers" is a rip-off of the TV series. Oh, ho!!!!!!!!!1 ETA: this forum is about MCU movies; it's implied he meant movie BW. |
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Post by James Bond on Mar 18, 2018 18:09:16 GMT
DC-Fan did not SAY "the filmic depiction of" Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel. Obviously, the FILMIC DEPICTION of Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel but that's NOT what he SAID. What he SAID was, Oh, ho!!!!!!!!!1 ETA: this forum is about MCU movies; it's implied he meant movie BW. I don't care what you SAY he IMPLIED, I care what he SAID. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 18, 2018 18:09:42 GMT
"Character A predates character B, but when the studio adapted character A for the screen they admittedly ripped off elements of character B." Therefore, the filmic depiction of Character A (we'll call her Characrer C) can be fairly called a "rip off" of Character B. If those elements hadn't been incorporated and the character had been simply an onscreen version of Character A, the claims would be invalid; there would be no Character C. The matter is settled. DC-Fan wins this round; move on. Obviously, the FILMIC DEPICTION of Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel So we're all in agreement that Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel. |
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Post by James Bond on Mar 18, 2018 18:13:24 GMT
Obviously, the FILMIC DEPICTION of Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel So we're all in agreement that Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel. I agree that the CINEMATIC Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 18, 2018 18:13:49 GMT
Oh, ho!!!!!!!!!1 ETA: this forum is about MCU movies; it's implied he meant movie BW. I don't care what you SAY he IMPLIED, I care what he SAID. I don't care what you care about. I care about where you're posting it. Saying "Black Widow is..." here ASSUMES reference to the MCU version of the character. Furthermore, he clarifies in this thread that he means exactly what I said he said. So you're just perpetuating this non-argument for the sake of either (a) being a dick because you are one, (b) attempting to establish credibility for your new sock here by coming at DC-Fan's neck, (c) fucking with DC-Fan because you hate him, or (d) boredom. I'm guessing all four. |
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Post by James Bond on Mar 18, 2018 18:20:05 GMT
I don't care what you SAY he IMPLIED, I care what he SAID. I don't care what you care about. I care about where you're posting it. Saying "Black Widow is..." here ASSUMES reference to the MCU version of the character. Furthermore, he clarifies in this thread that he means exactly what I said he said. So you're just perpetuating this non-argument for the sake of either (a) being a dick because you are one, (b) attempting to establish credibility for your new sock here by coming at DC-Fan's neck, (c) fucking with DC-Fan because you hate him, or (d) boredom. I'm guessing all four. Where I'm posting whatever I'm posting doesn't matter a damn to me. I never ASSUME ANYTHING. What I was disputing were DC-Fan's EXACT WORDS. That's all I care about. A person's EXACT WORDS. That's what I'll respond to, every time. Not what I ASSUME they're IMPLYING based on WHERE their post is but EXACTLY what they've SAID. |
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Post by sostie on Mar 18, 2018 18:24:54 GMT
Obviously, the FILMIC DEPICTION of Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel So we're all in agreement that Black Widow is a rip-off of Emma Peel. No, I'd agree Emma Peel'ls outfit influenced Black Widows outfit in 1970...as did Cathy Gale's influence Peel, and Peel influence Modesty Blase, Selene in Underworld, Black Cat in Arrow etc. As for one Avengers ripping off another...you should really try and look up the definition. They used the same name, yes, but rip-off? A male female duo from England fighting crime and a team of super powered beings are not a rip off. I'm quite happy to concede Emma Peel influenced Black Widow (and others ) look, and One Avengers came less than a year before the others. But to try and hammer home the idea that one set was a rip off of the other reeks of desperation. And please, stop cherry picking what you reply too. If you raise a point and someone counters it, have the guts to respond or concede. You have a back catalogue of times you have been proven wrong or questioned, and just ignore it like a petulant little child. And if I was you I'd avoid referencing the comics....you always get it wrong...like when you said the MCU named Black Panther to appeal to a black audience, or that Black Lightning was called such because the colour of his outfit, not his skin. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 18, 2018 18:26:10 GMT
I don't care what you care about. I care about where you're posting it. Saying "Black Widow is..." here ASSUMES reference to the MCU version of the character. Furthermore, he clarifies in this thread that he means exactly what I said he said. So you're just perpetuating this non-argument for the sake of either (a) being a dick because you are one, (b) attempting to establish credibility for your new sock here by coming at DC-Fan's neck, (c) fucking with DC-Fan because you hate him, or (d) boredom. I'm guessing all four. Where I'm posting whatever I'm posting doesn't matter a damn to me. I never ASSUME ANYTHING. What I was disputing were DC-Fan's EXACT WORDS. That's all I care about. A person's EXACT WORDS. That's what I'll respond to, every time. Not what I ASSUME they're IMPLYING based on WHERE their post is but EXACTLY what they've SAID. He said EXACTLY that, sparky. And then clarified by citing a quote from someone else that also says exactly that to make it explicitly clear. Poor DC-Fan. Dude's got the patience of a saint for putting up with, much less tryna educate, you people. |
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Post by James Bond on Mar 18, 2018 18:32:01 GMT
Where I'm posting whatever I'm posting doesn't matter a damn to me. I never ASSUME ANYTHING. What I was disputing were DC-Fan's EXACT WORDS. That's all I care about. A person's EXACT WORDS. That's what I'll respond to, every time. Not what I ASSUME they're IMPLYING based on WHERE their post is but EXACTLY what they've SAID. And then clarified by citing a quote from someone else that also says exactly that to make it explicitly clear. Poor DC-Fan. Dude's got the patience of a saint for putting up with, much less tryna educate, you people. He said exactly what? He said, She was the archetypal femme fatale spy when her characters was first created back in the 60s. So yes. Even the team name "Avengers" is a rip-off of the TV series. THAT'S what he SAID and THAT'S what I was disputing. |
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Post by sostie on Mar 18, 2018 18:34:10 GMT
In the 70's when Wonder Woman became depowered DC had her resign from the Justice League and go on James Bond style missions, and a strong source of inspiration to those stories and how the character when about handling dangerous situations was Emma Peel from The Avengers. Link - www.paradoxcomicsgroup.com/2009/08/four-colour-yesteryears-wonder-woman.htmlI mean, you're a DC-Fan, shouldn't you know this? That's non-canon, just like the Red Son Superman and the Gotham By Gaslight Batman and Justice League: Gods and Monsters are all non-canon. The tr Yes it was canon. It was part of the Wonder Woman regular run, not an alternate universe or one off story. Just as Wonder Woman's period post war of being domesticated and pining for a boyfriend. It wasn't until Gloria Steinem went to the DC offices and berated them for what they did to WW that they returned her to the character that she was more recognised as in the early years. Get your hands on some actual comics, trades or downloads and witness how actually horrendous WW comic was for many many years |
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Post by James Bond on Mar 18, 2018 18:39:11 GMT
That's non-canon, just like the Red Son Superman and the Gotham By Gaslight Batman and Justice League: Gods and Monsters are all non-canon. The tr Yes it was canon. It was part of the Wonder Woman regular run, not an alternate universe or one off story. Just as Wonder Woman's period post war of being domesticated and pining for a boyfriend. It wasn't until Gloria Steinem went to the DC offices and berated them for what they did to WW that they returned her to the character that she was more recognised as in the early years. Get your hands on some actual comics, trades or downloads and witness how actually horrendous WW comic was for many many years Who later became Christian Bale's stepmother, funnily enough. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 18, 2018 18:41:21 GMT
He said EXACTLY that, sparky. And then clarified by citing a quote from someone else that also says exactly that to make it explicitly clear. Poor DC-Fan. Dude's got the patience of a saint for putting up with, much less tryna educate, you people. He said exactly what? He said, Black Widow is just a rip-off of Emma Peel. Even the team name "Avengers" is a rip-off of the TV series. THAT'S what he SAID and THAT'S what I was disputing. Now we're going around in circles. Like I said: it's a board about the MCU. It's incumbent upon you to assume he meant the MCU version. Regardless, the quote he cited after you attempted to nitpick the same point you went on to concede moments later clarified that this is what he meant. |
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Post by James Bond on Mar 18, 2018 18:44:39 GMT
He said exactly what? He said, THAT'S what he SAID and THAT'S what I was disputing. Now we're going around in circles. Like I said: it's a board about the MCU. It's incumbent upon you to assume he meant the MCU version. Regardless, the quote he cited after you attempted to nitpick the same point you went on to concede moments later clarified that this is what he meant. I WILL NOT ASSUME ANYTHING. I will go by a person's EXACT WORDS and their EXACT WORDS ALONE. NOTHING MORE. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 18, 2018 18:50:28 GMT
Now we're going around in circles. Like I said: it's a board about the MCU. It's incumbent upon you to assume he meant the MCU version. Regardless, the quote he cited after you attempted to nitpick the same point you went on to concede moments later clarified that this is what he meant. I WILL NOT ASSUME ANYTHING. I will go by a person's EXACT WORDS and their EXACT WORDS ALONE. NOTHING MORE. Simmer down, sparky. His exact words were "Black Widow." When you challenged that, he clarified. That's it. There is no discussion left. He was right but could've been clearer; you were wrong and could apparently use a joint. I stepped in because I'm just a good guy like that, and because I'm perceived around here as a model of fairness, rationality, and seriousness. Any questions? |
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Post by sostie on Mar 18, 2018 18:59:09 GMT
I WILL NOT ASSUME ANYTHING. I will go by a person's EXACT WORDS and their EXACT WORDS ALONE. NOTHING MORE. I stepped in because I'm just a good guy like that, and because I'm perceived around here as a model of fairness, rationality, and seriousness. Any questions? You're like Loki is what you are  |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 18, 2018 19:11:26 GMT
I stepped in because I'm just a good guy like that, and because I'm perceived around here as a model of fairness, rationality, and seriousness. Any questions? You're like Loki is what you are  |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 18, 2018 19:27:46 GMT
I WILL NOT ASSUME ANYTHING. I will go by a person's EXACT WORDS and their EXACT WORDS ALONE. NOTHING MORE. Simmer down, sparky. His exact words were "Black Widow." When you challenged that, he clarified. And again, DC-Fan was wrong. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 18, 2018 19:38:30 GMT
Simmer down, sparky. His exact words were "Black Widow." When you challenged that, he clarified. And again, DC-Fan was wrong. Sam, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. |
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