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Post by weststigersbob on Mar 27, 2018 3:48:00 GMT
Warner is a little boy who never grew up. His antics, particularly from someone who only fires one gamw in eveey 4 or 5, impress no one. No way will he and Smith receive life time bans, but I'm beginning to think we may not see Smith until the Australian summer at the earliest, and possibly not until this time next year. The public backlash has been so big that they'll try to provide a major scalp and changing the coach probably won't cut it. With a TV deal being negotiated CA will be as harsh as they need to in order to appease broadcasters, particularly with CA claiming that broadcasters were low balling them with initial offers. They need to raise their stocks fast, and if a 12 month ban on Smith, Warner or both will achieve this then it will happen. We play Tests against Pakistan in UAE (2), India at home (4) and Sri Lanka at Home (2). Ill bet you that Smith and Warner (and any other players “banned”) will be available to play in the India series in November. Not as Captain and Vice Captain mind. But there is no way known Cricket Australia will risk losing a home summer to India by not picking their best players. Dont be surprised if quite a few players cop “Six Month, immediate effect bans” that conveniently end just before the India series start...... the poor folks at Dubai, Sharjah and Abu Dhabi will get to see a second string Aussies get ground into the dust in the interim....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 6:07:57 GMT
The more opportunistic cheating, like diving, I would also come down hard on, lengthy bans, 6-8 matches, then for persistent offenders who maybe get caught 4 or 5 times over an eight year period, lifetime ban, you're out, career finished. If your diving earned a penalty that was converted, and it's only evident after the game that it was a blatant dive, that goal is retrospectively disallowed and the result amended accordingly. So that douche who just did a swan dive that we saw in the other thread, I think that was the winning goal in a 2-1 result, so the result is changed to a draw and he gets banned for six games. If something like that was introduced I would take it a step further and deduct an extra goal off the team that dives. So deduct two goals if they score the pen. And deduct one goal off all other dives. Of course it would be a farce, you can't really have matches finishing where no one is certain of the result. Unless you do it in real time, but VAR hasn't been too popular either.
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Mar 27, 2018 12:29:13 GMT
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Mar 27, 2018 17:22:39 GMT
In some ways Warner would be the ideal scape goat. His batting is well liked by the public but he isn't personally. His frequent brain explosions are reminiscent of Michael Slater and he was certainly cut off prematurely, cast adrift at 31, having already served time from 1996-1998.
Like I said, all other considerations are secondary right now to securing a lucrative TV rights deal. They'll be as harsh as they need to be. Losing a series to India is a trifle compared to missing out on an extra $100 million. Some peopke don't understand how expendable these players are to CA.in these circumstances. If nothing else Bancroft, Smith and Warner are guilty of bad timing. That's something that has killed more careers than any other sin.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Mar 27, 2018 19:16:44 GMT
I have received an email from James Sutherland. Jimmy wanted me, as a member of the Australian Cricketing Family (I guess 38 Grade Games for St George has its privileges) to know that only Bancroft, Warner and Smith knew about the ball tampering. They've been packed into a cargo container and will arrive at Port Waratah in about 10-14 days where further sanctions, de-lousing and blood transfusions will be applied.
Some exagerations there, but I think I caught the flavour.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 22:32:54 GMT
"They are all cheating. You can't have special pleading that my cheating isn't as bad as your cheating. That's ridiculous. You knowingly break the rules of fair competition to cheat your opponents, the fans, and people having a punt. Whether that's by doping or ball tampering is irrelevant." That's your opinion, and thank God you're not a judge if you use the same approach to criminal law. Ball tampering in cricket is on the same grading as offering an obscene gesture. Maximum fine is a one game suspension. There are many crimes in cricket that are more perceived as being more serious than ball tampering. People have been banned for life for throwing matches and sent to jail fot spot fixing. Ball tampering doesn't carry the same penalty because it's a significantly lesser offence. To equate it with doping is, frankly, ludicrous. Of which my all time favorite is probably 25 years ago, an NFL player - I want to say a Dolphins player but I could be wrong - coming onto the field at the start of the game with two middle fingers hoisted high to the crowd. Love it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 22:37:06 GMT
If your diving earned a penalty that was converted, and it's only evident after the game that it was a blatant dive, that goal is retrospectively disallowed and the result amended accordingly. So that douche who just did a swan dive that we saw in the other thread, I think that was the winning goal in a 2-1 result, so the result is changed to a draw and he gets banned for six games. If something like that was introduced I would take it a step further and deduct an extra goal off the team that dives. So deduct two goals if they score the pen. And deduct one goal off all other dives. Of course it would be a farce, you can't really have matches finishing where no one is certain of the result. Unless you do it in real time, but VAR hasn't been too popular either. Yeah just wishful thinking to try to eradicate the scourge once and for all. I was thinking what happens if it's a cup game and the adjusted score is a tie - well then the other side goes through. That would be a huge deterrent. But if nothing else they've got to start handing out long bans, maybe even 10 games for the most blatant offenders.
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Mar 28, 2018 8:39:42 GMT
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Post by Father Jack on Mar 28, 2018 9:56:19 GMT
Smith and Warner now kicked out of playing in the IPL altogether.
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Mar 28, 2018 10:47:25 GMT
Warner is a little boy who never grew up. His antics, particularly from someone who only fires one gamw in eveey 4 or 5, impress no one. No way will he and Smith receive life time bans, but I'm beginning to think we may not see Smith until the Australian summer at the earliest, and possibly not until this time next year. The public backlash has been so big that they'll try to provide a major scalp and changing the coach probably won't cut it. With a TV deal being negotiated CA will be as harsh as they need to in order to appease broadcasters, particularly with CA claiming that broadcasters were low balling them with initial offers. They need to raise their stocks fast, and if a 12 month ban on Smith, Warner or both will achieve this then it will happen. We play Tests against Pakistan in UAE (2), India at home (4) and Sri Lanka at Home (2). Ill bet you that Smith and Warner (and any other players “banned”) will be available to play in the India series in November. Not as Captain and Vice Captain mind. But there is no way known Cricket Australia will risk losing a home summer to India by not picking their best players. Dont be surprised if quite a few players cop “Six Month, immediate effect bans” that conveniently end just before the India series start...... the poor folks at Dubai, Sharjah and Abu Dhabi will get to see a second string Aussies get ground into the dust in the interim.... You appear to be looking down the wrong end of the telescope. You excusing them as "they all do it, no biggie" doesn't seem to be shared with either the hierarchy, ex players and other players or fans. Smith, Warner banned 1 year from Australia, IPL contracts voided. Bancroft banned for 9 months.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Mar 28, 2018 11:22:51 GMT
Bancroft lied about what he'd used on the ball. It WAS sandpaper, so that was pretty stupid, childish and uncooperative of him. Warner amd Smith were clearly copping big hits. I thought Smith might get off lighter than Warner, but nope.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Mar 28, 2018 11:31:07 GMT
Reading the sanctions I think it's fair to say that Warner came within a bee's dick of a life ban.
Let's look at this. All 3 guys lied about it not being sandpaper. Why? Wtf were they trying to achieve in lying about this. Why did Bancroft invent such a ridiculous story to explain it not being sandpaper? Why was Smith then stupid enough to agree to Bancroft's version knowing it was BS?
It's no longer about ball tampering for me and rather these three stooges being entitled disrespectful fucking idiots. No sympathy for them at all.
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Post by weststigersbob on Mar 28, 2018 15:49:22 GMT
We play Tests against Pakistan in UAE (2), India at home (4) and Sri Lanka at Home (2). Ill bet you that Smith and Warner (and any other players “banned”) will be available to play in the India series in November. Not as Captain and Vice Captain mind. But there is no way known Cricket Australia will risk losing a home summer to India by not picking their best players. Dont be surprised if quite a few players cop “Six Month, immediate effect bans” that conveniently end just before the India series start...... the poor folks at Dubai, Sharjah and Abu Dhabi will get to see a second string Aussies get ground into the dust in the interim.... You appear to be looking down the wrong end of the telescope. You excusing them as "they all do it, no biggie" doesn't seem to be shared with either the hierarchy, ex players and other players or fans. Smith, Warner banned 1 year from Australia, IPL contracts voided. Bancroft banned for 9 months. That was before I knew that Smith and Bancroft publicly lied about the substance. Big difference between fully owning up, and trying to make it sound not quite as bad as it was. Given that they were caught completely red handed, and then pretended to give a full public disclosure but then lied again - 1 year is a light sentence......
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Post by weststigersbob on Mar 28, 2018 15:53:14 GMT
Reading the sanctions I think it's fair to say that Warner came within a bee's dick of a life ban. Let's look at this. All 3 guys lied about it not being sandpaper. Why? Wtf were they trying to achieve in lying about this. Why did Bancroft invent such a ridiculous story to explain it not being sandpaper? Why was Smith then stupid enough to agree to Bancroft's version knowing it was BS? It's no longer about ball tampering for me and rather these three stooges being entitled disrespectful fucking idiots. No sympathy for them at all. Can’t disagree. Only the truly naive believe that an Australian team has never tampered with a ball before. That’s why the hyperbole and cringeworthy sentiment and sanctimony has been sickening to me over the last few days. However, upon being caught - I thought Smith and Bancroft did the right thing in saying “Yep, we did it. This is how, why, XYZ”. Except the fucking dopes LIED about it some more. Truly stupid....
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Mar 28, 2018 20:53:44 GMT
My last comment on this is that I doubt we'll see Warner in Australian colours again. He's pissed off the governing body, which is a death sentence for most in the case of CA. Dean Jones, Greg Matthews and Simon Katich were all black balled over far less. He can still make a lucrative living as a T20 mercenary.
Smith will come back, but whether he'll be as good will come down to his headspace. Bancroft's biggest issue is going to be his failure to cement himself as a first choice player. He falls back into the pack with Burns, Renshaw and about a half dozen shield players with more baggage than any of them. Most people love a redemption story, so he won't be completely ruled out.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 29, 2018 10:49:00 GMT
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Post by Father Jack on Mar 29, 2018 11:24:23 GMT
That presser sounded a right load of pony... "Now, go out there and cry! Cry like you've never cried before. Remember when a beloved pet died when you were a nipper? That's the kind of tears and pain you need to display."
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Post by weststigersbob on Mar 29, 2018 12:10:28 GMT
My last comment on this is that I doubt we'll see Warner in Australian colours again. He's pissed off the governing body, which is a death sentence for most in the case of CA. Dean Jones, Greg Matthews and Simon Katich were all black balled over far less. He can still make a lucrative living as a T20 mercenary. Smith will come back, but whether he'll be as good will come down to his headspace. Bancroft's biggest issue is going to be his failure to cement himself as a first choice player. He falls back into the pack with Burns, Renshaw and about a half dozen shield players with more baggage than any of them. Most people love a redemption story, so he won't be completely ruled out. Yeah, Warner is gone. I think he’ll be lucky to ever play for NSW again, let alone Australia. The more it comes out, the more it looks like it was Warner’s idea, he found a willing accomplice in Bancroft and more or less convinced Smith it was a good idea. While I have no doubt Smith will waltz immediately back in, he will be painted as the redemption story. I’m not sure on Bancroft. And Smith will never be captain again. Warne was many things, but out and out cheater he wasn’t and he was never afforded the Test Captaincy....
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Post by Father Jack on Mar 29, 2018 12:12:20 GMT
Lehmann is going as the axe continues to fall.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 29, 2018 13:09:03 GMT
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