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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 3, 2018 11:00:30 GMT
It was better than her being a sobbing damsel like MJ in the Raimi movies. No it wasn't. That moment with Pepper becoming an action hero was ridiculously stupid. Why, because she can't get in on the action?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 3, 2018 13:16:49 GMT
No it wasn't. That moment with Pepper becoming an action hero was ridiculously stupid. Why, because she can't get in on the action? Because there's nothing to establish she has any fighting skills in the first place. But I have no real problem with that. It's the least of the movie's short comings.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 3, 2018 13:28:03 GMT
Why, because she can't get in on the action? Because there's nothing to establish she has any fighting skills in the first place. But I have no real problem with that. It's the least of the movie's short comings. She wasn't exactly using kung fu on Killian...and anyways, I appreciated it for subverting the damsel nonsense that plagues CBMs too often.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 3, 2018 13:37:07 GMT
Because there's nothing to establish she has any fighting skills in the first place. But I have no real problem with that. It's the least of the movie's short comings. She wasn't exactly using kung fu on Killian...and anyways, I appreciated it for subverting the damsel nonsense that plagues CBMs too often. She's not exactly flailing about as an untrained fighter would be either. Suddenly she's skilled enough to kick an explosive and blast it in mid air with perfect accuracy. Plus, that damsel subversion had already been accomplished by Black Widow in Ironman 2 and The Avengers.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 3, 2018 13:47:10 GMT
She wasn't exactly using kung fu on Killian...and anyways, I appreciated it for subverting the damsel nonsense that plagues CBMs too often. She's not exactly flailing about as an untrained fighter would be either. Suddenly she's skilled enough to kick an explosive and blast it in mid air with perfect accuracy. Plus, that damsel subversion had already been accomplished by Black Widow in Ironman 2 and The Avengers. Anyone who knew who Natasha was would know she was never a damsel to begin with.
As for Pepper...eh, we an just say Extremis augmented her reflexes too. Or she's into kickboxing as a hobby the way Happy was into Boxing and stuff.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 3, 2018 14:14:45 GMT
That's my point: neither of those things were established anywhere in the movie.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 3, 2018 14:39:43 GMT
That's my point: neither of those things were established anywhere in the movie. We saw that Extremis gave reflexes and strength beyond just healing and the heat stuff, look at how Killian went from a handicapped geek to Guy Pearce. He was never shown to have combat training yet he did well against Tony.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 3, 2018 16:17:31 GMT
That's my point: neither of those things were established anywhere in the movie. We saw that Extremis gave reflexes and strength beyond just healing and the heat stuff, look at how Killian went from a handicapped geek to Guy Pearce. He was never shown to have combat training yet he did well against Tony. That's not the same as Pepper developing un-established accuracy and technique.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 3, 2018 16:36:39 GMT
We saw that Extremis gave reflexes and strength beyond just healing and the heat stuff, look at how Killian went from a handicapped geek to Guy Pearce. He was never shown to have combat training yet he did well against Tony. That's not the same as Pepper developing un-established accuracy and technique. I think it is. She got one lucky kick that hit Killian in the head, that's all.
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 3, 2018 16:44:57 GMT
You been drinking today? It's not even the worst movie in that series – that honor belongs to Iron Man 2. for my money, The worst MCU movies are Capt. America and The Avengers 2. I haven't seen Spiderman or Black Panther yet, so I can't comment on those.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 3, 2018 17:09:51 GMT
That's not the same as Pepper developing un-established accuracy and technique. I think it is. She got one lucky kick that hit Killian in the head, that's all. It's not. That is not all. She got in an accurate kick and fire off a blast to hit a target mid-air. When was it ever established she could do anything like that?
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 3, 2018 17:17:32 GMT
I think it is. She got one lucky kick that hit Killian in the head, that's all. It's not. That is not all. She got in an accurate kick and fire off a blast to hit a target mid-air. When was it ever established she could do anything like that? So she was...extremely lucky.
Happens.
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Post by scabab on Apr 3, 2018 18:33:47 GMT
It was just luck that the office working secretary was able to successfully leap into the air and punch a Mach speed flying Iron Man suit and then kick a missile directly at Killian and successfully blast it with the Iron Man repulsor blast on her first attempt despite having no experience in martial arts or using the Iron Man suit.
Some people might get lucky and win a bet on horse racing, Pepper Potts just got lucky and became as skilled as Captain America. It happens.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 3, 2018 18:37:20 GMT
It's not. That is not all. She got in an accurate kick and fire off a blast to hit a target mid-air. When was it ever established she could do anything like that? So she was...extremely lucky.
Happens.
Hence the problem.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 3, 2018 19:08:44 GMT
So she was...extremely lucky.
Happens.
Hence the problem. These kind of contrivances happen....
...Just look at "Martha". If I have to choose between something like that and Pepper landing the killing blow on Killian I'll take Pepper...and Paltrow's abs.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 3, 2018 19:09:53 GMT
These kind of contrivances happen....
...Just look at "Martha".
I have; that's just as terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 16:47:00 GMT
These kind of contrivances happen....
...Just look at "Martha". If I have to choose between something like that and Pepper landing the killing blow on Killian I'll take Pepper...and Paltrow's abs.
They don't happen in well written scripts.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 4, 2018 16:57:47 GMT
These kind of contrivances happen....
...Just look at "Martha". If I have to choose between something like that and Pepper landing the killing blow on Killian I'll take Pepper...and Paltrow's abs.
They don't happen in well written scripts. Please, they could've mentioned Pepper taking kickboxing at the start of the film and you'd still be complaining.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 16:58:48 GMT
They don't happen in well written scripts. Please, they could've mentioned Pepper taking kickboxing at the start of the film and you'd still be complaining. Of course! Because that's still ridiculous!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 17:00:05 GMT
They don't happen in well written scripts. Please, they could've mentioned Pepper taking kickboxing at the start of the film and you'd still be complaining. The easy fix would be to have her jump in an Iron Man suit. It was established that she knew (kind of) how to use one.
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