|
Post by deembastille on Apr 16, 2018 11:09:29 GMT
Because fans of the older movies hate that idea of Spidey existing in a Universe with other heroes. Why is that a problem? Kind of off topic but a lot of Hispanic and black children have a problem with comic book super heroes being black or Hispanic. You would have thought they'd be all for it but that is the reason why there aren't many.
|
|
|
Post by deembastille on Apr 16, 2018 11:15:04 GMT
The problem with Homecoming is that it suffers from reboot-syndrome. So much of the familiar mythology is missing: Mary Jane, Harry, Gwen, an elderly May, Uncle Ben, JJ Jamison, The Daily Bugle... Then there's the addition of things that just don't mesh well with the classic incarnations of the character: The V.I. Voice in his suit. The forced mentor relationship with Stark... Holland may very well be the best fit but the movie itself just feels forced. An very elderly May wouldn't have made much sense if they're portraying Peter as a highschool kid. Marisa Tomei is 53 yrs. old, which would make her something like 37 yrs older than Peter. So that part I didn't mind. Tony Stark being there also wasn't that bad, there have been some storylines where Spiderman was a newbie in the Avengers team and had to look up to older members to direct them. Plus they needed a way to integrate him into the universe without him looking like an underage vigilante. I did get a bit put off by his suit AI. It was cool, just didn't quite fit what we know of Spidey. The absence of Mary Jane, Harry or Gwen did bother me, though I'm hoping these are things they'll reserve for when Parker gets into university. He could have been a great aunt. The original Spider-Man movies were similar to the comics and there she was a Miss Grundy type (from Archie Comics).
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Apr 16, 2018 12:00:36 GMT
lol. mcu fans still on a crusade to fight for homecoming behalf A Crusade implies it's a battle. Homecoming has already won its place. He'll be there soon enough. Your FoX-Men are the fail, that's why they're being sold back to Marvel. No, Holland won the majority of the audience when he first appeared.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Apr 16, 2018 12:02:58 GMT
An very elderly May wouldn't have made much sense if they're portraying Peter as a highschool kid. Marisa Tomei is 53 yrs. old, which would make her something like 37 yrs older than Peter. So that part I didn't mind. Tony Stark being there also wasn't that bad, there have been some storylines where Spiderman was a newbie in the Avengers team and had to look up to older members to direct them. Plus they needed a way to integrate him into the universe without him looking like an underage vigilante. I did get a bit put off by his suit AI. It was cool, just didn't quite fit what we know of Spidey. The absence of Mary Jane, Harry or Gwen did bother me, though I'm hoping these are things they'll reserve for when Parker gets into university. He could have been a great aunt. The original Spider-Man movies were similar to the comics and there she was a Miss Grundy type (from Archie Comics). She was never meant to be THAT old in the first place, it's just that due to the old printing processes unless they gave her a ton of wrinkles she wouldn't have looked older than any other female in the comics like the teenage girls or Betty Brant. Thing is, once the technology improved later artists didn't realize this and kept giving her tons of wrinkles til she looked like a walking cadaver.
That's why in the Ultimate Comics she looks like a woman in her early to mid 40s who just went grey early...that's what she was supposed to look like originally.
|
|
|
Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 16, 2018 14:31:46 GMT
He could have been a great aunt. The original Spider-Man movies were similar to the comics and there she was a Miss Grundy type (from Archie Comics). She was never meant to be THAT old in the first place, it's just that due to the old printing processes unless they gave her a ton of wrinkles she wouldn't have looked older than any other female in the comics like the teenage girls or Betty Brant. Thing is, once the technology improved later artists didn't realize this and kept giving her tons of wrinkles til she looked like a walking cadaver.
That's why in the Ultimate Comics she looks like a woman in her early to mid 40s who just went grey early...that's what she was supposed to look like originally.
So basically you acknowledge the supremacy of the Ultimate line.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Apr 16, 2018 16:04:53 GMT
She was never meant to be THAT old in the first place, it's just that due to the old printing processes unless they gave her a ton of wrinkles she wouldn't have looked older than any other female in the comics like the teenage girls or Betty Brant. Thing is, once the technology improved later artists didn't realize this and kept giving her tons of wrinkles til she looked like a walking cadaver.
That's why in the Ultimate Comics she looks like a woman in her early to mid 40s who just went grey early...that's what she was supposed to look like originally.
So basically you acknowledge the supremacy of the Ultimate line. Basically I acknowledge it had some good ideas.
|
|
|
Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 16, 2018 16:15:18 GMT
eh, he is bit unmanly for my taste but that is the core of the character I guess. The unremarkable kid from the street who goes on a hero's journey all of his own, wish fulfillment galore. Thanks MCU for re-rebooting him into a generic Iron-Man-Junior lackey with a talking IT-suit and phone-it-in-cause-it's-so-below-my-paygrade mentors, and PC-diversity entourage, thereby robbing Spiderman of his core appeal and charms. Thanks too for sexing up his aunt, while regurgitating the narrative tropes all over again, so utterly creative and beneficial. Lol, "most closest to da comix" my ass.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Apr 16, 2018 16:21:28 GMT
eh, he is bit unmanly for my taste but that is the core of the character I guess. The unremarkable kid from the street who goes on a hero's journey all of his own, wish fulfillment galore. Thanks MCU for re-rebooting him into a World where he isn't the only hero, opening up new possibilities the older movies were too cowardly to pursue.
|
|
|
Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 16, 2018 16:31:01 GMT
eh, he is bit unmanly for my taste but that is the core of the character I guess. The unremarkable kid from the street who goes on a hero's journey all of his own, wish fulfillment galore. Thanks MCU for re-rebooting him into a World where he isn't the only hero, opening up new possibilities the older movies were too cowardly to pursue. whatever the reason, Less is MORE. Thus, back then we got a Spiderman with actual character development and family relationships. And not a IM lackey whose main dilemma is whether he wants to clobber in the kewl Avengers punch-club..
...which unfortunately he already did in he hilarious joke-dispenser brawl of Civil War (the first Civil war in history without anybody ever dying), when "I don't care, he killed my mommy" IronMan took the kid into a fight he had no stakes or business in. But who could forget the hillarious Disney cross-promotion of "Hey guys, you ever see that really old movie, Empire Strikes Back?"
CRINGE²
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Apr 16, 2018 16:39:48 GMT
World where he isn't the only hero, opening up new possibilities the older movies were too cowardly to pursue. whatever the reason, Less is MORE.
Only to the throwbacks who hate the idea of heroes all co-existing instead of everything being standalone.
|
|
|
Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 16, 2018 18:56:48 GMT
So basically you acknowledge the supremacy of the Ultimate line. Basically I acknowledge it had some good ideas. Wow! I agree. I love the Ultimate line -- while likewise acknowledging it had plenty of flaws, especially in its latter years.
|
|
|
Post by ThatGuy on Apr 16, 2018 19:27:03 GMT
Basically I acknowledge it had some good ideas. Wow! I agree. I love the Ultimate line -- while likewise acknowledging it had plenty of flaws, especially in its latter years. As it went on they went away from what the Ultimate universe was suppose to be. I restarted, contemporary version of the Marvel universe. It seemed like they wanted to destroy it and make it their own.
|
|
|
Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 16, 2018 20:05:27 GMT
Wow! I agree. I love the Ultimate line -- while likewise acknowledging it had plenty of flaws, especially in its latter years. As it went on they went away from what the Ultimate universe was suppose to be. I restarted, contemporary version of the Marvel universe. It seemed like they wanted to destroy it and make it their own. Good point. The single most egregious example of this was a storyline called Ultimatum.
|
|
gromel
Sophomore
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_yellow.png)
@gromel
Posts: 279
Likes: 119
![](http://storage.proboards.com/6692551/images/CTEdkGf0wmfSETIzYiXk.gif)
|
Post by gromel on Apr 17, 2018 0:11:27 GMT
Maguire is the best because of "I had a father, his name was Ben Parker".
With the Amazing movies they played up Peter's real parents and the mysteries they left behind, but this weakened the bonds he had with Uncle Ben and Aunt May. Plus the half-assed storytelling meant it didn't go anywhere.
Then they leaned into the "Uncle Tony" angle too hard with Homecoming. It may not be the intention that he's doing the superhero thing for Stark, but it feels like it. Civil War had a better balance, as it alluded to Uncle Ben despite not saying his name. It made sense because Peter wouldn't tell his whole origin to Stark right then and there. So I figured Homecoming would be more explicit on that, but in that film it feels like Uncle Ben might as well have died of cancer or something.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Apr 17, 2018 0:24:43 GMT
Maguire is the best because of "I had a father, his name was Ben Parker". With the Amazing movies they played up Peter's real parents and the mysteries they left behind, but this weakened the bonds he had with Uncle Ben and Aunt May. Plus the half-assed storytelling meant it didn't go anywhere. Then they leaned into the "Uncle Tony" angle too hard with Homecoming. It may not be the intention that he's doing the superhero thing for Stark, but it feels like it. Civil War had a better balance, as it alluded to Uncle Ben despite not saying his name. It made sense because Peter wouldn't tell his whole origin to Stark right then and there. So I figured Homecoming would be more explicit on that, but in that film it feels like Uncle Ben might as well have died of cancer or something. They felt like it would be repetitive and unnecessary to bring up Ben the same way again this soon and it's better he mentioned later. Peter's dialog with Tony in Homecoming alluded to things, though.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 0:53:29 GMT
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Apr 17, 2018 1:28:55 GMT
No, it's just something I'm trying. Bit of an insider joke.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Apr 17, 2018 1:54:13 GMT
Maguire is the best because of "I had a father, his name was Ben Parker". With the Amazing movies they played up Peter's real parents and the mysteries they left behind, but this weakened the bonds he had with Uncle Ben and Aunt May. Plus the half-assed storytelling meant it didn't go anywhere. Then they leaned into the "Uncle Tony" angle too hard with Homecoming. It may not be the intention that he's doing the superhero thing for Stark, but it feels like it. Civil War had a better balance, as it alluded to Uncle Ben despite not saying his name. It made sense because Peter wouldn't tell his whole origin to Stark right then and there. So I figured Homecoming would be more explicit on that, but in that film it feels like Uncle Ben might as well have died of cancer or something. Agreed. 1 of the most powerful scenes in the 1st Spider-Man movie was when Spider-Man catches up to Uncle Ben's killer in the warehouse and sees the killer's face for the 1st time and realizes that it's the same guy he let get away earlier that night. In SMH, we get no sense at all that Peter became Spider-Man because he felt responsible because he let a thief get away and that thief murdered Uncle Ben. Instead, all we get is that Peter wants to be a hero so he can impress Tony Stark. And you're correct, SMH doesn't give any sense that Uncle Ben was murdered r that Uncle Ben is even dead. The only reference to Uncle Ben is Peter telling Ned that Aunt May has been through a rough time recently. But that could just mean that Ben Parker died of cancer or maybe Ben Parker was cheating on May and they got divorced and May had a rough time dealing with the divorce.
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Apr 17, 2018 2:15:48 GMT
Agreed. 1 of the most powerful scenes in the 1st Spider-Man movie was when Spider-Man catches up to Uncle Ben's killer in the warehouse and sees the killer's face for the 1st time and realizes that it's the same guy he let get away earlier that night. Too bad he lets him die instead of saving him the way a real hero would. He explained his reasons to Tony in Civil War. There's no need to rehash Ben again so soon. You need to be spoonfed?
|
|
|
Post by damngumby on Apr 17, 2018 10:45:40 GMT
Maguire is the best because of "I had a father, his name was Ben Parker". With the Amazing movies they played up Peter's real parents and the mysteries they left behind, but this weakened the bonds he had with Uncle Ben and Aunt May. Plus the half-assed storytelling meant it didn't go anywhere. Then they leaned into the "Uncle Tony" angle too hard with Homecoming. It may not be the intention that he's doing the superhero thing for Stark, but it feels like it. Civil War had a better balance, as it alluded to Uncle Ben despite not saying his name. It made sense because Peter wouldn't tell his whole origin to Stark right then and there. So I figured Homecoming would be more explicit on that, but in that film it feels like Uncle Ben might as well have died of cancer or something. No one wanted to see another re-hash of the Uncle Ben story. You don’t keep replaying the Uncle Ben story every time you make a Spiderman movie. SMH was a re-boot, but it was also a continuation of a storyline that had already been told. Twice. Marvel obviously made the right decision ... considering SMHs place in the pantheon of the greatest superhero movies ever made!
|
|