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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 25, 2018 20:08:10 GMT
If they have a Black pro-basketball player character, that's not a racist stereotype either anymore than Mr. Burns is a white racist stereotype. It might be if he's voiced by a white guy. So now voice actors have to be the same as the character? Bart Simpson is voiced by an adult woman. Oh no she's denying a job to a 10 year old boy! The show is anti-10 year old boy. The show is ageist and sexist! Oh the humanity! Guess what Mel Blanc wasn't a rabbit but he was able to voice Bugs Bunny. Even live action actors don't have to be the exact same ethnicity as the characters. Do you now how many Italians I've seen playing Irishman on TV? Geez, do you just search the world for things to get offended about?
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Post by deembastille on Apr 25, 2018 20:32:03 GMT
You mean like the Schoolhouse Rock singer (he just died)? He sounded like a big black guy. Same thing for Rick Astley. Sings like a big black man looks like Wally cleaver. No, not like that. That'd be more like Destro. I know that is not what you meant. I mentioned it to show how diverse voices can be. For months a paraprofessional new to my school thought I was British because I would read Charlie and Lola books in a British accent.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 25, 2018 20:40:14 GMT
It might be if he's voiced by a white guy. So now voice actors have to be the same as the character? Bart Simpson is voiced by an adult woman. Oh no she's denying a job to a 10 year old boy! The show is anti-10 year old boy. The show is ageist and sexist! Oh the humanity! Guess what Mel Blanc wasn't a rabbit but he was able to voice Bugs Bunny. Even live action actors don't have to be the exact same ethnicity as the characters. Faulty analogy. There are laws against child labor which limit the amount of hours a child may work, hence why the voices of children are often played by adults. There are no such laws limiting a black person's ability to work. And please do take note of my use of "might be." And guess what? Bugs was not a human character. So that's faulty also.
Probably as many Italians I've seen playing Hispanics.
Geez, do you like staying in the past?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 25, 2018 20:55:42 GMT
So now voice actors have to be the same as the character? Bart Simpson is voiced by an adult woman. Oh no she's denying a job to a 10 year old boy! The show is anti-10 year old boy. The show is ageist and sexist! Oh the humanity! Guess what Mel Blanc wasn't a rabbit but he was able to voice Bugs Bunny. Even live action actors don't have to be the exact same ethnicity as the characters. Faulty analogy. There are laws against child labor which limit the amount of hours a child may work, hence why the voices of children are often played by adults. There are no such laws limiting a black person's ability to work. And please do take note of my use of "might be." And guess what? Bugs was not a human character. So that's faulty also.
Probably as many Italians I've seen playing Hispanics.
Geez, do you like staying in the past? So you are incapable of understanding sarcasm. I was illustrating your absurdity by being absurd. So you really want us to wring our hands because a VOICE ACTOR, a person whose job it is to make different voices, is cast to voice a character that is of a different race than themselves. BTW there are 10 year olds legally working in show biz that do a lot more than read 10 minutes of lines into a microphone per week. So your child labor laws comment is faulty. As far as the past goes, I say past, present, or future I want to live in a time when people put their energies towards important problems that actually need to be addressed and do it in a positive manner.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 25, 2018 22:27:44 GMT
Faulty analogy. There are laws against child labor which limit the amount of hours a child may work, hence why the voices of children are often played by adults. There are no such laws limiting a black person's ability to work. And please do take note of my use of "might be." And guess what? Bugs was not a human character. So that's faulty also.
Probably as many Italians I've seen playing Hispanics.
Geez, do you like staying in the past? So you are incapable of understanding sarcasm. I was illustrating your absurdity by being absurd. So you really want us to wring our hands because a VOICE ACTOR, a person whose job it is to make different voices, is cast to voice a character that is of a different race than themselves. Your hyperbole was faulty. And as I said, take note of "might be." You have to read all the words I write. Not just a select few.
Incorrect. You assume ten minutes is all a voice actor works for every single episode. It can take hours to record dialogue. And voice actors don't just record one episode and may even be asked to return for additional recording. All of which may be impeded by child labor laws. So do I. But we don't get to decide for others what they should feel is important. Also, don't fall under the misconception that problems can be solved only one at a time. It's possible to put effort into multiple problems.
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Post by sublime92 on Apr 26, 2018 1:44:24 GMT
Native American = American Indian
Indian-American = from India
What's up with this unwritten rule that post-1965 immigrants are all off limits to jokes?
From the 1970s to 1990s there was a jokebook series by Larry Wilde that had jokes about Italians, Jews, Poles, WASPs, Irish, Rednecks, Blacks, Virgins, Lawyers, etc.
Are post-1965 immigrants "protected" because most of them have come from third-world, non-caucasian countries?
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Post by bravomailer on Apr 26, 2018 1:48:56 GMT
Native American = American Indian Indian-American = from India There was a Get Smart episode that distinguished between the two groups by referring to the first as the "woo-woo Indians". Probably not shown much these days.
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Post by ck100 on Apr 26, 2018 2:09:08 GMT
At this point, the writers and Fox don't give a shit. The show still makes money and brings in ratings. They're not going to make changes to the show and/or character now about this after so many years.
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Apr 27, 2018 5:48:19 GMT
No the show's not wrong. I haven't watched Simpsons for years now but I'm pretty sure Apu has gone a long way from being just a stereotype. More than just a Kwik-E Mart owner, he's also fairly intelligent and once tried to answer a citizenship test question about the Civil War with a more complicated answer than just "slavery". And his accent, well, there's always one person with an accent that doesn't go away. And thats okay, thats just how Apu is.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 27, 2018 14:09:21 GMT
Everyone on the show is a stereotype. Virtually every character on TV is a stereotype but especially cartoons. They are caricatures but that doesn't make them racist. The KKK and the Nazis are racists. The writers of "The Simpsons" are not racists. Apu's character in no way implies that Indians are in any way inferior. In fact in many ways he is better than a lot of the other characters. He is different because his culture is different. Aren't we supposed to celebrate cultural diversity? Diversity means different.
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Post by deembastille on Apr 27, 2018 15:42:03 GMT
Everyone on the show is a stereotype. Virtually every character on TV is a stereotype but especially cartoons. They are caricatures but that doesn't make them racist. The KKK and the Nazis are racists. The writers of "The Simpsons" are not racists. Apu's character in no way implies that Indians are in any way inferior. In fact in may ways he is better than a lot of the other characters. He is different because his culture is different. Aren't we supposed to celebrate cultural diversity? Diversity means different. Even the Simpsons are stereotyped. White trash or trash Americans. Sure Lisa and maege make up for it but Bart being a rascal and Homer with the dead end job, beer buddies, give the stereotype. Everyone is stereotyped. In every show.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 18:31:10 GMT
Liberals have to ruin everything. Seriously, if this doesn't prove how incredibly stupid they are than nothing does. You know the irony of these two statements is that conservatives HATED this show in the 90s because it violated "family values"... Bush Sr. even used it in a speech. I went to a Catholic elementary school in the early 90s and our teachers told us never to watch it! LOL. (I did anyway). I specifically remember the Homer the Heretic (that poked fun at Christianity) episode where conservatives lost it and wanted the show banned! True story: my super religious sister-in-law, a huge Simpsons fan, actually fast forwards through all of the church scenes because she finds them offensive! My point is this: politics (like religion) make everyone overreact to things. On BOTH sides
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 18:33:00 GMT
Everyone on the show is a stereotype. Virtually every character on TV is a stereotype but especially cartoons. They are caricatures but that doesn't make them racist. The KKK and the Nazis are racists. The writers of "The Simpsons" are not racists. Apu's character in no way implies that Indians are in any way inferior. In fact in many ways he is better than a lot of the other characters. He is different because his culture is different. Aren't we supposed to celebrate cultural diversity? Diversity means different. I agree with this. Apu is actually a real fleshed out three dimensional character. The superficial stereotypical aspects are never mean spirited or malicious. in the first three seasons he was basically just stereotype, but he quickly evolved past that and became a major part of the show. Also, I've heard that a lot of real Indian-Americans do love the character. Willie, an even bigger stereotype, is also celebrated by the Scottish. I'd say this is certainly a case of people being too sensitive and missing the point. But it is a sliding scale... Apu is not racist at all. But, say, Chief Wahoo, definately is racist.
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Post by deembastille on Apr 27, 2018 22:23:56 GMT
Everyone on the show is a stereotype. Virtually every character on TV is a stereotype but especially cartoons. They are caricatures but that doesn't make them racist. The KKK and the Nazis are racists. The writers of "The Simpsons" are not racists. Apu's character in no way implies that Indians are in any way inferior. In fact in many ways he is better than a lot of the other characters. He is different because his culture is different. Aren't we supposed to celebrate cultural diversity? Diversity means different. I agree with this. Apu is actually a real fleshed out three dimensional character. The superficial stereotypical aspects are never mean spirited or malicious. in the first three seasons he was basically just stereotype, but he quickly evolved past that and became a major part of the show. Also, I've heard that a lot of real Indian-Americans do love the character. Willie, an even bigger stereotype, is also celebrated by the Scottish. I'd say this is certainly a case of people being too sensitive and missing the point. But it is a sliding scale... Apu is not racist at all. But, say, Chief Wahoo, definately is racist. point blank: the real people who like willie and apu... are just that. real people. they aren't the fake assed people who whine and moan about anything and everything just because they can. fuck you. cure cancer instead. you'll be happier.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 21:05:34 GMT
I fail to see how Apu is a negative representation since he's always portrayed as a kind, intelligent man who loves his family and runs his own business.
Is it because he has a silly voice and a goofy catchphrase? He's a fucking cartoon character.
So yea, I agree with 'yall.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 28, 2018 22:06:10 GMT
He's not a negative stereotype or even a stereotype. He's smart, successful, etc. That's not the common impression of convenience store owners.
The hillbillies are stereotypes.
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Post by iamnotarobot on Apr 29, 2018 13:42:41 GMT
As an Indian stereotype? And when I say indian, i'm referring to not an American indian, but he other kind, of indian. Like, i'm not talking about he Indians that were in America before it was a country, I mean the over seas Indians.
It seems like there is a lot of controversy about whether the show should still have the indian character own the kwik e mart, because some person wrote an article, and they said it's racist.
Is it racist in your opinion? To have an indian who speaks with an indian accent? That's the other problem in their opinion. Because they have a problem with it, because most Indians don't speak like that, unless they are first generation immigrants.
I refer to them as "red dot Indians" and the others I refer to as "feather Indians".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 18:30:21 GMT
They could also get offended by BumbleBee Man from the Simpsons. lol
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