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Post by damngumby on May 12, 2019 17:32:05 GMT
Did you know you can't blow up a shark by shooting a scuba tank?
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Post by damngumby on May 11, 2019 21:42:41 GMT
Gamora simply killing herself would not have worked, because she would not have been sacrificing herself in pursuit of the stone. Gamoras intentons are irrelevant. Red skull says to Thanos, " you must lose that which you love" The criteria has to be met by the pursuer of the gem. The victim is most likely going to resist because they dont want to die, so in that interpretation doesnt matter if gamora kills herself, Thanos should still get the gem because hes lost what he loves If the stone had only required a death, then the rules would have stated death, not sacrifice. Sacrifice is all about intention. It is an offering to a higher power. In this case it is a life offered to the Soul Stone. Thanos would not have been deemed worthy to recieve the stone if he had simply sat on his hands and let Gamora kill herself out of spite. There would have been no act of an offering to the stone, either by Gamora or Thanos. If you were to present your argument to Red Skull, no doubt, he would laugh in your face ... as I am doing, right now.
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Post by damngumby on May 11, 2019 20:44:38 GMT
So ...
It looks like there is universal agreement that self-sacrifice would 100% satisfy the requiements of the stone. If either Hawkeye or Black Widow had killed themself so the other could obtain the stone, it would have worked ... since they both had a platonic type love for each other.
Gamora simply killing herself would not have worked, because she would not have been sacrificing herself in pursuit of the stone. It would have been the exact opposite, in fact.
In the Thanos & Gamora situation, Thanos's only remaining option was to sacrifice Gamora himself. The question becomes - If Thanos had the means to stop Gamora from killing herself (which he did), and he abstained, would doing nothing satisfy the sacrificial requirements of the stone? Can a non-act be considered an act of sacrifice? At best, this is a grey area. Most of these mythical type rules tend to be rather vague with plenty of wiggle room for reneging, if they are not followed to the letter. It is ridiculous to think that Thanos would have risked his destiny by letting Gamoa kill herself and then hope for a favorable ruling on the Vormir sacrifice. Thanos did the one sure-fire logical thing. He killed her himself, to avoid any possibility of failure.
There is no flaw, there is no lazy writting. It is all perfectly understandable. If you can't understand it, the problem lies with you, not the movies.
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Post by damngumby on May 11, 2019 16:35:45 GMT
Question for the mods.
Do you think the OP is legitimately as stupid as he appears, or is this just a troll thread, created by an individual who takes pleasure in this sort of thing?
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Post by damngumby on May 9, 2019 11:40:59 GMT
DC-Fan rocks. He manages to live rent free in the heads of every mcu fan on this site. They constantly attack and insult him and it's like water off a ducks back. Never change DC-Fan Considering how much he gets owned, he's kinda like our pet.
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Post by damngumby on May 9, 2019 11:24:04 GMT
There are several people over on the MCU board who claim that the woman isn't holding the hammer. It can clearly be seen that she has her hand around the hammer and there's nothing underneath the hammer and no strings holding up the hammer so how is it that anyone can claim the woman isn't holding the hammer? Are MCU fans just in denial similar to how Pats fans are still in denial about Shady Brady's cheating? Hela is not holding up the hammer. If she drops her hand, it's obvious that the hammer would not fall to the ground, it would continue on it's horizontal path and smack her in the face. (Because - magic hammer. duh.) Hela is halting the forward motion of the hammer and she is about to crush it with one hand. She is not wielding it. Only a complete moron would try to claim that this is an image of Hela wielding Thor's hammer. What, is she pointing the handle at Thor as if it were the barrel of a gun? ... and any similarity to deflategate is that you are completely wrong on both accounts. So, in an unintended way, you got that right.
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Post by damngumby on May 8, 2019 21:21:04 GMT
And Hela held Thor's hammer in the 3rd Thor movie. So clearly someone doesn't have to high integrity to hold Thor's hammer since even a conqueror and executioner can hold Thor's hammer. She didn't hold it. She stopped it's momentum so it didn't hit her.
Look at it shaking. She's leaning into it and actually fighting it.
Looks like DC-Fan is wrong again!
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Post by damngumby on May 8, 2019 16:58:57 GMT
Captain America was a way better beacon of light than Superman. Beacon of light for who? Himself? Wakanda? He's a bad soldier and a fugitive. The DC movies have their problems, and they are massive, but Superman did nothing like that. Captain America as an obedient pawn to the powers that be = boring. It's hilarious that DC fans think an independent thinking superhero who does not grovel at the feet of authority, is a bad thing. If Captain America was portrayed as a big pussy like Superman, no doubt the MCU wouldn't be as wildly successful as it is today.
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Post by damngumby on May 8, 2019 10:51:23 GMT
I believe this thread makes DC-Fan 0-3.
With the events in Endgame, his entire Steve Rogers wants to be a tyrant shtick just crashed and burned.
He ain't called Always Wrong fer nuttin!
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Post by damngumby on May 8, 2019 0:52:54 GMT
Tony Stark gave his life to save the universe and all this dipwad can do is whine that he didn't do more. It's reminiscent of when DC-Fan was so disrespectful toward one of the deceased creators of Ironman that he had to flee into self-imposed exile to avoid getting banned from this forum.
It's quite a feat to be banned for being an asshole.
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Post by damngumby on May 7, 2019 17:08:06 GMT
Thanks for failing to answer the question. I did answer the question, and Taylorfirst expanded upon it quite nicely. There is no reason to think that a "Pym event" must be tied to a single person. if your entire argument rests upon the techno-babble of a ficticious thing, you lost the argument before it even began. Oh dear, you even created a seperate thread about this. How embarrassing!
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Post by damngumby on May 7, 2019 11:35:31 GMT
On the Ant-Man thing...didn't his suit malfunction when he got out of the Quantum Realm? Hence why he could not shrink out of the cage Yes. They actually show that as soon as he escapes the Quantum realm. Which is why we see him out of his suit when the security guard let's him out. Did the dipshit OP not even watch the movie? ... plus the fact that he keeps refering to time travel rules from other movies when Endgame went to great lengths to point out that those rules do not apply. A. Didn't see the movies. B. Dumb as a bag of rocks. C. All of the above.
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Post by damngumby on May 7, 2019 11:33:38 GMT
If Thanos had his own time machine, he wouldn't have needed to use the Avengers time machine. Therefore, he did not have his own time machine ... and the flaw in your argument revolves around your misunderstanding of the expotential affect of pym particles on large masses. Boy, that was easy. I hope you didn't invest too much time in this argument.
Are you that dim? Thanos needed to have pym particles for each of his army members. This is shown earlier in the movie when Antman, stark, cap and hulk each have their own pym particles to travel back and forth when they are in 2012 NYC. Now answer the question....how can stark and antman go back to 2019 with the orb and how can Cap and stark go back to 1970s if they didnt have indivudual pym particles???
If your saying I dont understand the exponential effect on large masses, why does Antman not use 1 bottle to transport himself, stark, cap and hulk all togther into 2012 like you are suggesting Thanos does at the end? Therefore he could have saved 3 bottles for emergencies, but this contradicts what he said earlier when he stated there is only enough pym particles for 1 round trip.
What's the matter? You don't want to address the giant flaw in your argument? If Thanos had his own time machine, he wouldn't have needed to use the Avengers time machine. ... and, presumably, more than one avenger could have been transported together ... if they had jammed everyone into one suit. Yawn ... this is too easy.
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Post by damngumby on May 7, 2019 10:05:39 GMT
Thanos didn't have a time machine. His one and only time jump was because he was able to briefly hijack the Avengers time machine. You're wrong. He has a time machine because he must have replicated the pym particles to transport that many people. Its shown earlier in the movie during NYC 2012. Steve and Tony decide to go to 1970s and tell Antman and Hulk to go back to 2019. How can they do this without 1 pym particle bottle each? If Thanos had his own time machine, he wouldn't have needed to use the Avengers time machine. Therefore, he did not have his own time machine ... and the flaw in your argument revolves around your misunderstanding of the expotential affect of pym particles on large masses. Boy, that was easy. I hope you didn't invest too much time in this argument.
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Post by damngumby on May 7, 2019 0:39:49 GMT
2014 Thanos didn't even know where all of the stones were, so he couldn't go back in time to get them. Valid point. But Thanos would have all the information at hand to know where the stones are: Power gem - 2014 Thanos captures 2019 Nebula whilst she and Warmachin were planning to intercept the power gem from Quill. Knowing where the powergem has been all this time, Thanos can just has to go back in time a couple of days before Quill steals it to capture the orb. Mind gem - He gave this to Loki in his sceptre back in 2012 Avengers. Can easily go back then and keep the mind gem himself. Space gem/Tesseract - again, he knows its on earth in 2012 so can go back to 2012 to retrieve it, with the power and mind gem at hand, he can easily defeat any resistance Soul gem - 2014 Thanos didnt know the soul stone was on Vormir. But now that he and Ebony Maw have access to 2019 Nebulas memory files, he can simply scan them and look for the moment 2019 Nebula explained its location to Hawkeye/Widow. Boom, theres another gem he can go into the past to retrieve. Time gem - Thanos and Maw simply have to look at her memory files until the location of the stone is revealed. Given that the time stone has been with the Sorcerer Supreme for a very long time on earth, Thanos can assume itll still be there in the past even though the memory file hes watching is from the future relative to him (2019) Power gem/Aether - Once again, Thanos finds the memory where Avengers planning to get the gems in Endgame. Thor reveals that he had to take Jane to Asgard with the aether inside. Thanos then has to basically copy Rockets plan, which he could do with 100x the ease There we go, all 6 gems collected. A master strategist with patience (as Thanos has been depicted to be very patient in collecting gems over the MCU lifespan) pulls this off. No need for the contrived ending in Endgame where he ridiculously decides to travel into 2019 with his army to go up against the Avengers who already have the infinity gauntlet ready to use. Its a straight up suicide mission, no way Thanos with his intellect thinks this is a good idea. The better plan would be to go into the past from his position in 2014; collect the gems with relative ease as Ive outlined and go back to 2014 with a fresh gauntlet and snap the whole universe out of existence. Then if hes in the mood, go forward to 2019 and do the same thing again. Sorry, but Russos poor writing and handling of time travel has been exposed beyond redemption. Thanos didn't have a time machine. His one and only time jump was because he was able to briefly hijack the Avengers time machine. Sorry, the Russos have crafted the greatest superhero movie of all time. A boxoffice jugernaut and quite possibly a 2nd best picture nom in as many years for the MCU. You're just going to have to figure out how to live with that. Do try to keep the tears to a minimum, mkay?
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Post by damngumby on May 6, 2019 22:08:01 GMT
That made no sense at all. Everyone here seems to get it. The problem is obviously you. Now, sit down, shut up, and let your intellectual betters (admittedly, a rather low bar ... ) take you to school.
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Post by damngumby on May 6, 2019 21:58:36 GMT
Did I underestimate a 3 billion $ world wide total???
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Post by damngumby on May 6, 2019 16:57:04 GMT
Ned Leeds was turned to dust no? If none of the classmates turned to dust then they shouldn't have aged and should still be of school age. They never showed Ned, MJ, or any of Peter's classmates turned to dust. In the directors cut I heard they are going to show every single person who was turned to dust. It will be 10,700 hours long.
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Post by damngumby on May 5, 2019 22:52:11 GMT
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Post by damngumby on May 5, 2019 22:33:50 GMT
Just saw it. Freakin' awesome! People in the audience were sobbing during Tony Stark's funeral, and a standing ovation at the end of the movie. I've never seen that before.
RDJ definately deserves an oscar nod.
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