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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2019 19:34:28 GMT
My favorite Star Trek episode ever is "The City on the Edge of Forever". In that epsiode, Captain Kirk has to make a difficult choice: he could either save the woman he loves and let millions of others die, or he could save millions of others but would have to let the woman he loves die. He couldn't have both, it was either 1 or the other.
The Flashpoint Paradox is similar. Barry Allen traveled back in time to save his mother but in doing so caused changes to the timeline that started a war. Barry could go back and reverse the changes to the timeline but he would have to let his mother be killed. Like Captain Kirk, he couldn't have both, it was either 1 or the other.
Endgame had an opportunity to do this and if they had, I would've rated Endgame higher for having the balls to do it. They should've had Tony Stark make the choice: Keep the current timeline and his daughter lives but the 50% stay dead, or reverse the timeline to before Infinity War and bring back the 50% but his daughter is never born. Either 1 or the other, but not both.
But Endgame took the easy route just reversed the events of Infinity War so Tony Stark could have both and there wouldn't be much consequences to changing the timeline - Endgame even brought Past Gamora to the Present so they could have a Gamora for future movies. Endgame took the easy route and wasted a lot of potential.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 19:39:36 GMT
Don't forget the biggest plot hole of all: HOW DID CAP GET THE ETHER BACK INTO JANES BUTT?!
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Post by scabab on May 7, 2019 19:50:55 GMT
But if Endgame had done that then you would have gone for a different angle and just made a thread to say that Endgame was ripping off Flashpoint Paradox...
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 7, 2019 19:51:07 GMT
But that wouldn't make sense since Tony (or should I say Hulk) reversed the snap 5 years after Thanos snapped his fingers. Tony had his daughter way after the snap. Those who were born after the snap are still alive, and those who were snapped came back 5 years later.
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Post by dazz on May 7, 2019 19:51:55 GMT
My favorite Star Trek episode ever is " The City on the Edge of Forever". In that epsiode, Captain Kirk has to make a difficult choice: he could either save the woman he loves and let millions of others die, or he could save millions of others but would have to let the woman he loves die. He couldn't have both, it was either 1 or the other. The Flashpoint Paradox is similar. Barry Allen traveled back in time to save his mother but in doing so changed changes to the timeline that started a war. Barry could go back and reverse the changes to the timeline but he would have to let his mother be killed. Like Captain Kirk, he couldn't have both, it was either 1 or the other. Endgame had an opportunity to do this and if they had, I would've rated Endgame higher for having the balls to do it. They should've had Tony Stark make the choice: Keep the current timeline and his daughter lives but the 50% stay dead, or reverse the timeline to before Infinity War and bring back the 50% but his daughter is never born. Either 1 or the other, but not both. But Endgame took the easy route just reversed the events of Infinity War so Tony Stark could have both and there wouldn't be much consequences to changing the timeline - Endgame even brought Past Gamora to the Present so they could have a Gamora for future movies. Endgame took the easy route and wasted a lot of potential. And yet you miss the point where there is no perfect scenario, yes the Avengers found the path with the least amount of casualties but they did so at great personal cost, Tony & Widow gave their lives for everyone else, Tony couldn't give up his daughter or on Peter and he found the way to keep them both alive but at the cost of his own life, that's the trade off you simpleton.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 7, 2019 19:54:14 GMT
Exhibit A in support of the case that this isn't an act, the guy really is this stupid.
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Post by dazz on May 7, 2019 19:54:49 GMT
Don't forget the biggest plot hole of all: HOW DID CAP GET THE ETHER BACK INTO JANES BUTT?! ...I have a theory, it requires Cap to absorb the ether into himself then it requires booze, a blindfold and a healthy quantity of KY jelly.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2019 20:08:43 GMT
My favorite Star Trek episode ever is " The City on the Edge of Forever". In that epsiode, Captain Kirk has to make a difficult choice: he could either save the woman he loves and let millions of others die, or he could save millions of others but would have to let the woman he loves die. He couldn't have both, it was either 1 or the other. The Flashpoint Paradox is similar. Barry Allen traveled back in time to save his mother but in doing so changed changes to the timeline that started a war. Barry could go back and reverse the changes to the timeline but he would have to let his mother be killed. Like Captain Kirk, he couldn't have both, it was either 1 or the other. Endgame had an opportunity to do this and if they had, I would've rated Endgame higher for having the balls to do it. They should've had Tony Stark make the choice: Keep the current timeline and his daughter lives but the 50% stay dead, or reverse the timeline to before Infinity War and bring back the 50% but his daughter is never born. Either 1 or the other, but not both. But Endgame took the easy route just reversed the events of Infinity War so Tony Stark could have both and there wouldn't be much consequences to changing the timeline - Endgame even brought Past Gamora to the Present so they could have a Gamora for future movies. Endgame took the easy route and wasted a lot of potential. And yet you miss the point where there is no perfect scenario, yes the Avengers found the path with the least amount of casualties but they did so at great personal cost, Tony & Widow gave their lives for everyone else, Tony couldn't give up his daughter or on Peter and he found the way to keep them both alive but at the cost of his own life, that's the trade off you simpleton. Once again you miss the point and got it completely wrong. Endgame wasted the potential because Tony Stark NEVER had to make a difficult choice. Because Tony Stark didn't know BEFOREHAND that he would die.
In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save the woman he loves but let millions of others die 2. Save millions of others but let the woman he loves die Kirk could have 1 or the other, but not both. In The FlashPoint Paradox, Barry Allen KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save his mother but cause a war to be started 2. Reverse the changes to the timeline so there's no war but let his mother be killed Barry could have 1 or the other, but not both. In Endgame, Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW he would die. And Tony Stark DIDN'T have to choose between: 1. Keeping his daughter but letting the 50% stay dead 2. Reversing the timeline and bringing the 50% back but losing his daughter If Endgame had required Tony Stark to make that difficult choice, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But the Russos wimped out and Endgame wasted a lot of potential by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice, like Captain Kirk and Barry Allen had to make. Instead, Endgame took the easy route by just reversing the timeline without anyone having to make a difficult choice and without much consequences.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 7, 2019 20:11:26 GMT
And yet you miss the point where there is no perfect scenario, yes the Avengers found the path with the least amount of casualties but they did so at great personal cost, Tony & Widow gave their lives for everyone else, Tony couldn't give up his daughter or on Peter and he found the way to keep them both alive but at the cost of his own life, that's the trade off you simpleton. Once again you miss the point and got it completely wrong. Endgame wasted the potential because Tony Stark NEVER had to make a difficult choice. Because Tony Stark didn't know BEFOREHAND that he would die.
In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save the woman he loves but let millions of others die 2. Save millions of others but let the woman he loves die Kirk could have 1 or the other, but not both. In The FlashPoint Paradox, Barry Allen KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save his mother but cause a war to be started 2. Reverse the changes to the timeline so there's no war but let his mother be killed Barry could have 1 or the other, but not both. In Endgame, Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW he would die. And Tony Stark DIDN'T have to choose between: 1. Keeping his daughter but letting the 50% stay dead 2. Reversing the timeline and bringing the 50% back but losing his daughter If Endgame had required Tony Stark to make that difficult choice, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But the Russos wimped out and Endgame wasted a lot of potential by taking the easy route and not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice, like Captain Kirk and Barry Allen had to make. You think Tony didn't know he was going to die with the snap? Having seen what it did to the Hulk?! Wow.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2019 20:12:13 GMT
But if Endgame had done that then you would have gone for a different angle and just made a thread to say that Endgame was ripping off Flashpoint Paradox... Well, Endgame already ripped off Back to the Future, with Tony Stark traveling to the past and meeting his father before Tony was born.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 7, 2019 20:13:41 GMT
But if Endgame had done that then you would have gone for a different angle and just made a thread to say that Endgame was ripping off Flashpoint Paradox... Well, Endgame already ripped off Back to the Future, with Tony Stark traveling to the past and meeting his father before Tony was born. In your words I guess you could say he 'changed changes in the timeline.' Good stuff, caveman.
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Post by bud47 on May 7, 2019 20:15:45 GMT
And yet you miss the point where there is no perfect scenario, yes the Avengers found the path with the least amount of casualties but they did so at great personal cost, Tony & Widow gave their lives for everyone else, Tony couldn't give up his daughter or on Peter and he found the way to keep them both alive but at the cost of his own life, that's the trade off you simpleton. Once again you miss the point and got it completely wrong. Endgame wasted the potential because Tony Stark NEVER had to make a difficult choice. Because Tony Stark didn't know BEFOREHAND that he would die.
In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save the woman he loves but let millions of others die 2. Save millions of others but let the woman he loves die Kirk could have 1 or the other, but not both. In The FlashPoint Paradox, Barry Allen KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save his mother but cause a war to be started 2. Reverse the changes to the timeline so there's no war but let his mother be killed Barry could have 1 or the other, but not both. In Endgame, Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW he would die. And Tony Stark DIDN'T have to choose between: 1. Keeping his daughter but letting the 50% stay dead 2. Reversing the timeline and bringing the 50% back but losing his daughter If Endgame had required Tony Stark to make that difficult choice, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But the Russos wimped out and Endgame wasted a lot of potential by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice, like Captain Kirk and Barry Allen had to make. Instead, Endgame took the easy route by just reversing the timeline without anyone having to make a difficult choice and without much consequences. Since when is doing something original and not copying what other films and TV shows have done considered wimping out and taking the easy route? As scabab said, even if they did everything according to what you want, you would just attack it from another angle.
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Post by poutinep on May 7, 2019 20:16:18 GMT
"I don't like Endgame because it didn't rip off my favorite episode of Star Trek!"
What a moron.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2019 20:21:55 GMT
Once again you miss the point and got it completely wrong. Endgame wasted the potential because Tony Stark NEVER had to make a difficult choice. Because Tony Stark didn't know BEFOREHAND that he would die.
In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save the woman he loves but let millions of others die 2. Save millions of others but let the woman he loves die Kirk could have 1 or the other, but not both. In The FlashPoint Paradox, Barry Allen KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save his mother but cause a war to be started 2. Reverse the changes to the timeline so there's no war but let his mother be killed Barry could have 1 or the other, but not both. In Endgame, Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW he would die. And Tony Stark DIDN'T have to choose between: 1. Keeping his daughter but letting the 50% stay dead 2. Reversing the timeline and bringing the 50% back but losing his daughter If Endgame had required Tony Stark to make that difficult choice, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But the Russos wimped out and Endgame wasted a lot of potential by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice, like Captain Kirk and Barry Allen had to make. Instead, Endgame took the easy route by just reversing the timeline without anyone having to make a difficult choice and without much consequences. Since when is doing something original and not copying what other films and TV shows have done considered wimping out and taking the easy route? Except Endgame didn't do anything original. They travel back to the past to reverse of something negative that happened. That's already been done in Star Trek: First Contact and many other time travel movies. It they were going to use time travel reverse the events of an entire movie, they should've at least make it so there would be difficult choices and consequences to reversing the timeline instead of taking the easy route and just reversing the timeline without any difficult choices and without much consequences.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 7, 2019 20:24:11 GMT
You edited your post. I really embarrassed you with that one, eh?
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Post by bud47 on May 7, 2019 20:24:43 GMT
Since when is doing something original and not copying what other films and TV shows have done considered wimping out and taking the easy route? Except Endgame didn't do anything original. They travel back to the past to reverse of something negative that happened. That's already been done in Star Trek: First Contact and many other time travel movies. It they were going to use time travel reverse the events of an entire movie, they should've at least make it so there would be difficult choices and consequences to reversing the timeline instead of taking the easy route and just reversing the timeline without any difficult choices and without much consequences. So you're attacking it for copying one movie then attacking it for not copying a TV show?
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 7, 2019 20:32:04 GMT
And yet you miss the point where there is no perfect scenario, yes the Avengers found the path with the least amount of casualties but they did so at great personal cost, Tony & Widow gave their lives for everyone else, Tony couldn't give up his daughter or on Peter and he found the way to keep them both alive but at the cost of his own life, that's the trade off you simpleton. Once again you miss the point and got it completely wrong. Endgame wasted the potential because Tony Stark NEVER had to make a difficult choice. Because Tony Stark didn't know BEFOREHAND that he would die.
In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save the woman he loves but let millions of others die 2. Save millions of others but let the woman he loves die Kirk could have 1 or the other, but not both. In The FlashPoint Paradox, Barry Allen KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save his mother but cause a war to be started 2. Reverse the changes to the timeline so there's no war but let his mother be killed Barry could have 1 or the other, but not both. In Endgame, Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW he would die. And Tony Stark DIDN'T have to choose between: 1. Keeping his daughter but letting the 50% stay dead 2. Reversing the timeline and bringing the 50% back but losing his daughter If Endgame had required Tony Stark to make that difficult choice, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But the Russos wimped out and Endgame wasted a lot of potential by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice, like Captain Kirk and Barry Allen had to make. Instead, Endgame took the easy route by just reversing the timeline without anyone having to make a difficult choice and without much consequences. Tony never made a difficult choice? So he got a happy ending? Good god, you're retarded!
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 7, 2019 20:33:59 GMT
Since when is doing something original and not copying what other films and TV shows have done considered wimping out and taking the easy route? Except Endgame didn't do anything original. They travel back to the past to reverse of something negative that happened. That's already been done in Star Trek: First Contact and many other time travel movies. It they were going to use time travel reverse the events of an entire movie, they should've at least make it so there would be difficult choices and consequences to reversing the timeline instead of taking the easy route and just reversing the timeline without any difficult choices and without much consequences. Black Widow lost her life, and Tony lost his. How much consequences do you need?
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Post by dazz on May 7, 2019 20:39:19 GMT
And yet you miss the point where there is no perfect scenario, yes the Avengers found the path with the least amount of casualties but they did so at great personal cost, Tony & Widow gave their lives for everyone else, Tony couldn't give up his daughter or on Peter and he found the way to keep them both alive but at the cost of his own life, that's the trade off you simpleton. Once again you miss the point and got it completely wrong. Endgame wasted the potential because Tony Stark NEVER had to make a difficult choice. Because Tony Stark didn't know BEFOREHAND that he would die.
In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save the woman he loves but let millions of others die 2. Save millions of others but let the woman he loves die Kirk could have 1 or the other, but not both. In The FlashPoint Paradox, Barry Allen KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save his mother but cause a war to be started 2. Reverse the changes to the timeline so there's no war but let his mother be killed Barry could have 1 or the other, but not both. In Endgame, Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW he would die. And Tony Stark DIDN'T have to choose between: 1. Keeping his daughter but letting the 50% stay dead 2. Reversing the timeline and bringing the 50% back but losing his daughter If Endgame had required Tony Stark to make that difficult choice, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But the Russos wimped out and Endgame wasted a lot of potential by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice, like Captain Kirk and Barry Allen had to make. Instead, Endgame took the easy route by just reversing the timeline without anyone having to make a difficult choice and without much consequences. Yes he did retard, they have a scene where the Avengers argue about who will bring everyone back, where they state the amount of power running through the glove in that moment and saying how even Thor couldn't survive using it, only Hulk could and then it royally fucked him up, Tony knew the cost of stopping Thanos was and he paid it willingly, you stupid mother fucker.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2019 20:42:50 GMT
Once again you miss the point and got it completely wrong. Endgame wasted the potential because Tony Stark NEVER had to make a difficult choice. Because Tony Stark didn't know BEFOREHAND that he would die.
In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save the woman he loves but let millions of others die 2. Save millions of others but let the woman he loves die Kirk could have 1 or the other, but not both. In The FlashPoint Paradox, Barry Allen KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save his mother but cause a war to be started 2. Reverse the changes to the timeline so there's no war but let his mother be killed Barry could have 1 or the other, but not both. In Endgame, Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW he would die. And Tony Stark DIDN'T have to choose between: 1. Keeping his daughter but letting the 50% stay dead 2. Reversing the timeline and bringing the 50% back but losing his daughter If Endgame had required Tony Stark to make that difficult choice, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But the Russos wimped out and Endgame wasted a lot of potential by taking the easy route and not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice, like Captain Kirk and Barry Allen had to make. You think Tony didn't know he was going to die with the snap? Having seen what it did to the Hulk?! Wow. Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW that he would be the one doing the snap and DIDN'T KNOW that he would die when he made the decision to go ahead with the reversing the timeline. Barry Allen KNEW when he made the decision to reverse the timeline that he would have to let his mother be killed. So Endgame took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice of reversing the timeline but losing his daughter or keeping his daughter but not reversing the timeline. Endgame wimped out and wasted a lot of potential.
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