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Post by ctown28 on May 8, 2019 15:08:35 GMT
I hear there’s a deleted scene where the rest of the Avengers try to talk Tony out of his plan by telling him that it’s not noble enough and is the easy way out. That they need a new plan where his daughter has to die for the greater good. But Tony declined and said it’s his way or no way and the rest agreed but told him he’s being selfish
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 17:04:03 GMT
Two of the OG members are dead, both done as a sacrifice for the greater good. And that's nothing new in films. Characters have sacrificed themselves for the greater good in plenty of Hollywood movies. Just a few examples: Obi-Wan Kenobi (in Star Wars: Episode 4 - A New Hope) Spock (in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn) Kirk (in Star Trek: Generations) Superman in (BvS) Steve Trevor (in Wonder Woman) Bruce Willis (in Armageddon) Randy Quaid (in Independence Day) Steven Seagal (in Executive Decision) But what is rare is a hero/protagonist having to make the difficult choice of giving up someone they love for the greater good. If Endgame had the balls to do that, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But Endgame wimped out and did what has been done many, many times in plenty of Hollywood movies. Endgame wasted a lot of potential by taking the easy route and not requiring Tony Stark to make the difficult choice of giving up someone he loves for the greater good.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 8, 2019 17:25:03 GMT
Two of the OG members are dead, both done as a sacrifice for the greater good. And that's nothing new in films. Characters have sacrificed themselves for the greater good in plenty of Hollywood movies. Just a few examples: Obi-Wan Kenobi (in Star Wars: Episode 4 - A New Hope) Spock (in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn) Kirk (in Star Trek: Generations) Superman in (BvS) Steve Trevor (in Wonder Woman) Bruce Willis (in Armageddon) Randy Quaid (in Independence Day) But what is rare is a hero/protgonist having to make the difficult choice of giving up someone they love for the greater good. If Endgame had the balls to do that, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But Endgame wimped out and did what has been done many, many times in plenty of Hollywood movies. Endgame wasted a lot of potential by taking the easy route and not requiring Tony Stark to make the difficult choice of giving up someone he loves for the greater good. LMAO at mentioning Superman's death in BvS. His death was proven to be pointless because they killed him off only to bring him back to life in Justice League. Not only was it pointless, but it was also unearned. Superman was killed off in just his second movie. We as audiences never got to know him as a fleshed out character. WB squandered on a great comic storyline all for nothing. Iron Man's death on the other hand was well earned and emotional. And unlike Superman, Iron Man is not coming back. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 8, 2019 17:44:45 GMT
Two of the OG members are dead, both done as a sacrifice for the greater good. And that's nothing new in films. Characters have sacrificed themselves for the greater good in plenty of Hollywood movies. Just a few examples: Obi-Wan Kenobi (in Star Wars: Episode 4 - A New Hope) Spock (in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn) Kirk (in Star Trek: Generations) Superman in (BvS) Steve Trevor (in Wonder Woman) Bruce Willis (in Armageddon) Randy Quaid (in Independence Day) But what is rare is a hero/protagonist having to make the difficult choice of giving up someone they love for the greater good. If Endgame had the balls to do that, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But Endgame wimped out and did what has been done many, many times in plenty of Hollywood movies. Endgame wasted a lot of potential by taking the easy route and not requiring Tony Stark to make the difficult choice of giving up someone he loves for the greater good. Exact there wasn't a single scenario where Morgan Stark had to be sacrificed for the greater good. Also I'm disgusted at the fact you want a kid to die. |
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 17:49:23 GMT
And that's nothing new in films. Characters have sacrificed themselves for the greater good in plenty of Hollywood movies. Just a few examples: Obi-Wan Kenobi (in Star Wars: Episode 4 - A New Hope) Spock (in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn) Kirk (in Star Trek: Generations) Superman in (BvS) Steve Trevor (in Wonder Woman) Bruce Willis (in Armageddon) Randy Quaid (in Independence Day) But what is rare is a hero/protagonist having to make the difficult choice of giving up someone they love for the greater good. If Endgame had the balls to do that, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But Endgame wimped out and did what has been done many, many times in plenty of Hollywood movies. Endgame wasted a lot of potential by taking the easy route and not requiring Tony Stark to make the difficult choice of giving up someone he loves for the greater good. Exact there wasn't a single scenario where Morgan Stark had to be sacrificed for the greater good Because the Endgame writers were either too stupid or too wimpy to write such a scenario.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 8, 2019 18:06:54 GMT
Exact there wasn't a single scenario where Morgan Stark had to be sacrificed for the greater good Because the Endgame writers were either too stupid or too wimpy to write such a scenario. Still, they can't be stupider than David Goyer, Chris Terrio, or Zack Snyder.
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Post by blockbusted on May 8, 2019 18:26:38 GMT
And that's nothing new in films. Characters have sacrificed themselves for the greater good in plenty of Hollywood movies. Just a few examples: Obi-Wan Kenobi (in Star Wars: Episode 4 - A New Hope) Spock (in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn) Kirk (in Star Trek: Generations) Superman in (BvS) Steve Trevor (in Wonder Woman) Bruce Willis (in Armageddon) Randy Quaid (in Independence Day) But what is rare is a hero/protagonist having to make the difficult choice of giving up someone they love for the greater good. If Endgame had the balls to do that, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But Endgame wimped out and did what has been done many, many times in plenty of Hollywood movies. Endgame wasted a lot of potential by taking the easy route and not requiring Tony Stark to make the difficult choice of giving up someone he loves for the greater good. Exact there wasn't a single scenario where Morgan Stark had to be sacrificed for the greater good. Also I'm disgusted at the fact you want a kid to die. As a matter of fact, DC-Fan was trashing this film because he claimed that it was going to turn Avengers into child killers before this film came out. Now he's trashing this because that did NOT happen. Seriously, it's so blatantly obvious that he's just looking for excuses to trash MCU. At this point, I honestly have to wonder if he's a closeted Flat Earther. I mean, the way he behaves reminds me quite a bit of those folks.
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Post by blockbusted on May 8, 2019 18:37:56 GMT
That's what Endgame did. They used time travel to travel back to the past to undo the events of Infinity War. That's been done in plenty of other time travel movies. Your entire argument up until now, in several threads, is that Endgame didn't follow the 'laws of time travel' because it used time travel in a completely different way. It's not surprising you can't follow the film's narrative; you can't even follow your own! You just got owned again!
Tell me more about the 'changed changes' in the timeline, caveman. 
I think you should apologize to cavemen because even they're a lot smarter than DC-Fan.  |
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Post by poutinep on May 8, 2019 18:46:38 GMT
Exact there wasn't a single scenario where Morgan Stark had to be sacrificed for the greater good Because the Endgame writers were either too stupid or too wimpy to write such a scenario. they're stupid or wimpy because they didn't decide to contrive a ridiculous scenario where Tony has to choose between dusting Thanos or saving his daughter? you probably would have written so Tony went to Vormir with his daughter and sacrificed her, then said "It took balls to write that!"
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Post by blockbusted on May 8, 2019 18:48:25 GMT
And that's nothing new in films. Characters have sacrificed themselves for the greater good in plenty of Hollywood movies. Just a few examples: Obi-Wan Kenobi (in Star Wars: Episode 4 - A New Hope) Spock (in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn) Kirk (in Star Trek: Generations) Superman in (BvS) Steve Trevor (in Wonder Woman) Bruce Willis (in Armageddon) Randy Quaid (in Independence Day) But what is rare is a hero/protgonist having to make the difficult choice of giving up someone they love for the greater good. If Endgame had the balls to do that, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But Endgame wimped out and did what has been done many, many times in plenty of Hollywood movies. Endgame wasted a lot of potential by taking the easy route and not requiring Tony Stark to make the difficult choice of giving up someone he loves for the greater good. LMAO at mentioning Superman's death in BvS. His death was proven to be pointless because they killed him off only to bring him back to life in Justice League. Not only was it pointless, but it was also unearned. Superman was killed off in just his second movie. We as audiences never got to know him as a fleshed out character. WB squandered on a great comic storyline all for nothing. Iron Man's death on the other hand was well earned and emotional. And unlike Superman, Iron Man is not coming back. I had more emotions towards a small scale funeral for Tony Stark than a large scale funeral for Superman. That's a good enough proof that one of these films did something incorrectly.
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Post by blockbusted on May 8, 2019 18:50:35 GMT
Because the Endgame writers were either too stupid or too wimpy to write such a scenario. they're stupid or wimpy because they didn't decide to contrive a ridiculous scenario where Tony has to choose between dusting Thanos or saving his daughter? you probably would have written so Tony went to Vormir with his daughter and sacrificed her, then said "It took balls to write that!" If that's how it happened, then the film would've been trashed by just about everyone in the world - INCLUDING DC-Fan.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 8, 2019 18:59:46 GMT
LMAO at mentioning Superman's death in BvS. His death was proven to be pointless because they killed him off only to bring him back to life in Justice League. Not only was it pointless, but it was also unearned. Superman was killed off in just his second movie. We as audiences never got to know him as a fleshed out character. WB squandered on a great comic storyline all for nothing. Iron Man's death on the other hand was well earned and emotional. And unlike Superman, Iron Man is not coming back. I had more emotions towards a small scale funeral for Tony Stark than a large scale funeral for Superman. That's a good enough proof that one of these films did something incorrectly. 1. Because we knew Superman was coming back for Justice League 2. He never developed as a character Seriously, what a waste of a great storyline like The Death of Superman, and to not make it its own movie rather than just put in a jumbled mess like BvS, which was trying to be a Batman movie, a semi-Man of Steel sequel, a Justice League set-up movie, and The Dark Knight Returns all rolled into one. WB can never adapt The Death of Superman ever again, unless, they fully reboot the DCEU, which isn't going to happen.
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Post by blockbusted on May 8, 2019 19:05:01 GMT
I had more emotions towards a small scale funeral for Tony Stark than a large scale funeral for Superman. That's a good enough proof that one of these films did something incorrectly. 1. Because we knew Superman was coming back for Justice League 2. He never developed as a character Seriously, what a waste of a great storyline like The Death of Superman, and to not make it its own movie rather than just put in a jumbled mess like BvS, which was trying to be a Batman movie, a semi-Man of Steel sequel, a Justice League set-up movie, and The Dark Knight Returns all rolled into one. WB can never adapt The Death of Superman ever again, unless, they fully reboot the DCEU, which isn't going to happen. And Superman coming back to life would've worked if it was handled correctly, and we all know it wasn't.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on May 9, 2019 22:37:06 GMT
Exact there wasn't a single scenario where Morgan Stark had to be sacrificed for the greater good Because the Endgame writers were either too stupid or too wimpy to write such a scenario. Except Morgan will have to grow up without a father. That's the ultimate sacrifice and it makes sense in context of Tony's character. Every film since Iron Man and his weapon manufacturing days, he has always tried to be better and selfless, but to some degree there has always been some consequence (Ultron being the biggest). So sacrificing himself was the ultimate way to go for the better of society and saving the universe. If you took your troll goggles off, you'd realize this. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 9, 2019 22:45:34 GMT
Exact there wasn't a single scenario where Morgan Stark had to be sacrificed for the greater good Because the Endgame writers were either too stupid or too wimpy to write such a scenario. How is it wimpy? Tony doesn't get a hero Happy ending. His life is taken away and a little girl has to grow up with out her father. He looses out on seeing her grow up as well as spending the rest of his life with his wife. A stupid and wimpy ending would him surviving and getting the hero Happy ending. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 10, 2019 1:01:13 GMT
No matter what the movie would've done story wise you still would've rated it no higher than a 1/10 and troll this place like a five year old upset that he didn't get desert after dinner.
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Post by dazz on May 10, 2019 1:20:29 GMT
No matter what the movie would've done story wise you still would've rated it no higher than a 1/10 and troll this place like a five year old upset that he didn't get desert after dinner. Hey now that's uncalled for...no need to insult 5 year olds by comparing him to this braindead faecal weasel, a 5 year old is capable of learning, growing, maturing, DC-Fartforbrains is incapable of all of those things, in fact I think he's going the opposite way and regressing mentally as time goes on, give it till the end of Phase 4 and he'll be lucky if he isn't reduced to chewing the keyboard rather than typing with it.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 10, 2019 3:27:34 GMT
Because the Endgame writers were either too stupid or too wimpy to write such a scenario. How is it wimpy? Tony doesn't get a hero Happy ending. His life is taken away and a little girl has to grow up with out her father. He looses out on seeing her grow up as well as spending the rest of his life with his wife. It's wimpy because it's been done many, many times in plenty of Hollywood movies. You think Bruce Willis' character got a happy ending in Armageddon or Randy Quaid's character in Independence Day got to see his children grow up? Steve Trevor certainly didn't get a hppay ending in Wonder Woman. And neither did Steven Seagal's character in Executive Decision. Like I said in a previous post, characters have sacrificed themselves for the greater good in plenty of Hollywood movies. But what is rare is a hero/protagonist having to make the difficult choice of giving up someone they love for the greater good. If Endgame had the balls to do that, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But Endgame wimped out and did what has been done many, many times in plenty of Hollywood movies. Endgame wasted a lot of potential by taking the easy route and not requiring Tony Stark to make the difficult choice of giving up someone he loves for the greater good.
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Post by poutinep on May 10, 2019 3:51:20 GMT
No matter what the movie would've done story wise you still would've rated it no higher than a 1/10 and troll this place like a five year old upset that he didn't get desert after dinner. he rated it a 4. Same as Infinity War though he lowered that to a 3 just a few months later. got the 'will troll' part exactly right though.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 10, 2019 4:58:44 GMT
No matter what the movie would've done story wise you still would've rated it no higher than a 1/10 and troll this place like a five year old upset that he didn't get desert after dinner. "I'm not a troll" - DC-Fan
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