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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 0:09:29 GMT
Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW that he would be the one doing the snap and DIDN'T KNOW that he would die when he made the decision to go ahead with the reversing the timeline. Barry Allen KNEW when he made the decision to reverse the timeline that he would have to let his mother be killed. So Endgame took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice of reversing the timeline but losing his daughter or keeping his daughter but not reversing the timeline. Endgame wimped out and wasted a lot of potential. He did know he had to be the one to snap moron. 1st, Tony didn't know. That's why Tony asked Doctor Strange to tell him what the winning scenario is. 2nd, Tony certainly didn't know WHEN HE MADE THE CHOICE TO GO WITH THE TIME TRAVEL PLAN that he would have to make any sacrifice at all. So it was an EASY choice for Tony to choose the time travel plan. If Endgame had required Tony to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good, then I would've rated Endgame higher for having the balls to do that. But Endgame wimped out and took the easy route and wasted a lot of potential.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 0:10:53 GMT
Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW that he would be the one doing the snap and DIDN'T KNOW that he would die when he made the decision to go ahead with the reversing the timeline. Barry Allen KNEW when he made the decision to reverse the timeline that he would have to let his mother be killed. So Endgame took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice of reversing the timeline but losing his daughter or keeping his daughter but not reversing the timeline. Endgame wimped out and wasted a lot of potential. Tony knew he'd lose his life when he did the snap. He didn't know what would happen throughout the entire adventure. He even asked Doctor Strange (something you were previously bitching about) if this is the scenario they won, because Tony didn't know. He had everything to lose during the entirety of this endeavor. His deal with Steve was that they keep everything that happened since the snap as it was if they won. But they'd have to accomplish their task first.
Thanos was dead and the world had moved on, Tony had the life he wanted. He risked everything to bring the fallen back.
Keep trying.
You still don't get it so I'll try to explain it to you more slowly. In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk KNEW his 2 choices were: 1. Save the woman he loves but let millions of others die 2. Save millions of others but let the woman he loves die That's a difficult choice and required Kirk to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good. In The FlashPoint Paradox, Barry Allen KNEW his 2 choices were: 1. Save his mother but cause a war to be started 2. Reverse the changes to the timeline so there's no war but let his mother be killed That's a difficult choice and required Barry to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good. In Endgame, Tony Stark's choices were: 1. Reverse the timeline AND keep his daughter 2. Do nothing (i.e. don't reverse the timeline) AND keep his daughter. That's an easy choice and doesn't require Tony to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good. If Endgame had required Tony to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good, then I would've rated Endgame higher for having the balls to do that. But Endgame wimped out and took the easy route and wasted a lot of potential. Moroever, the fact that Tony had chosen option #2 until Pepper convinced him to choose option makes him even less of a hero since Tony wasn't even willing to choose the greater good until Pepper convinced him to do so.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on May 8, 2019 0:33:14 GMT
Tony knew he'd lose his life when he did the snap. He didn't know what would happen throughout the entire adventure. He even asked Doctor Strange (something you were previously bitching about) if this is the scenario they won, because Tony didn't know. He had everything to lose during the entirety of this endeavor. His deal with Steve was that they keep everything that happened since the snap as it was if they won. But they'd have to accomplish their task first.
Thanos was dead and the world had moved on, Tony had the life he wanted. He risked everything to bring the fallen back.
Keep trying.
You still don't get it so I'll try to explain it to you more slowly. In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk KNEW his 2 choices were: 1. Save the woman he loves but let millions of others die 2. Save millions of others but let the woman he loves die That's a difficult choice and required Kirk to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good. In The FlashPoint Paradox, Barry Allen KNEW his 2 choices were: 1. Save his mother but cause a war to be started 2. Reverse the changes to the timeline so there's no war but let his mother be killed That's a difficult choice and required Barry to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good. In Endgame, Tony Stark's choices were: 1. Reverse the timeline AND keep his daughter 2. Do nothing (i.e. don't reverse the timeline) AND keep his daughter. That's an easy choice and doesn't require Tony to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good. If Endgame had required Tony to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good, then I would've rated Endgame higher for having the balls to do that. But Endgame wimped out and took the easy route and wasted a lot of potential. Moroever, the fact that Tony had chosen option #2 until Pepper convinced him to choose option makes him even less of a hero since Tony wasn't even willing to choose the greater good until Pepper convinced him to do so. Actually I'll give you points for that. But you are kinda understating it The risk was that they could be killed or trapped in the Quantum realm if they didn't get that right. HOWEVER, they obviously didn't account for future Nebula automatically connecting to the past Nebula system (because they didn't know) and past Thanos discovering their plan. So by the end of the film, Thanos has decided to wipe out the entire universe instead of half and considering Captain Marvel was unable to stop him from getting the glove, Tony had to act fast, probably not even thinking of his family back home, to stop Thanos and the only way to truly do it would be to use the stones. So yes, I would say it came down to choosing between saving the universe or his own personal wishes (his family).
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 8, 2019 0:34:55 GMT
He did know he had to be the one to snap moron. 1st, Tony didn't know. That's why Tony asked Doctor Strange to tell him what the winning scenario is. 2nd, Tony certainly didn't know WHEN HE MADE THE CHOICE TO GO WITH THE TIME TRAVEL PLAN that he would have to make any sacrifice at all. So it was an EASY choice for Tony to choose the time travel plan. If Endgame had required Tony to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good, then I would've rated Endgame higher for having the balls to do that. But Endgame wimped out and took the easy route and wasted a lot of potential. 1st, Tony asked Doctor Strange if this is the vision he saw in which they won. 2nd, because his plan was to get the stones from the past, come back to the present (2023), and reverse the snap. What they weren't expecting was past Thanos hijacking present Nebula's memory. It's called conflict
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Post by dazz on May 8, 2019 0:51:35 GMT
Tony knew he'd lose his life when he did the snap. He didn't know what would happen throughout the entire adventure. He even asked Doctor Strange (something you were previously bitching about) if this is the scenario they won, because Tony didn't know. He had everything to lose during the entirety of this endeavor. His deal with Steve was that they keep everything that happened since the snap as it was if they won. But they'd have to accomplish their task first.
Thanos was dead and the world had moved on, Tony had the life he wanted. He risked everything to bring the fallen back.
Keep trying.
You still don't get it so I'll try to explain it to you more slowly. In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk KNEW his 2 choices were: 1. Save the woman he loves but let millions of others die 2. Save millions of others but let the woman he loves die That's a difficult choice and required Kirk to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good. In The FlashPoint Paradox, Barry Allen KNEW his 2 choices were: 1. Save his mother but cause a war to be started 2. Reverse the changes to the timeline so there's no war but let his mother be killed That's a difficult choice and required Barry to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good. In Endgame, Tony Stark's choices were: 1. Reverse the timeline AND keep his daughter 2. Do nothing (i.e. don't reverse the timeline) AND keep his daughter. That's an easy choice and doesn't require Tony to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good. If Endgame had required Tony to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good, then I would've rated Endgame higher for having the balls to do that. But Endgame wimped out and took the easy route and wasted a lot of potential. Moroever, the fact that Tony had chosen option #2 until Pepper convinced him to choose option makes him even less of a hero since Tony wasn't even willing to choose the greater good until Pepper convinced him to do so. Ok 1: STOP FUCKING POSTING THE SAME FUCKING THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!! Do it one time and tag multiple people into the post instead of spamming the exact same fucking copy and paste bullshit over and over you stupid cúnting retard.
2: You still haven't answered my question did Kirk just automatically resign himself to making that choice or did he try and find a way around it to save everyone? given Kirk doesn't believe in no win scenarios I highly doubt he just shrugged and went oh well fuck it better make a choice then.
Also no Tony had not made that choice before he spoke to Pepper, he was undecided he wanted to risk it to make things right but he didn't feel he had the right to make that choice, not until Pepper told him it was ok to do so, if Tony didn't want to do it he wouldn't have figured out the problem, he wouldn't have brought it up and no matter how much Pepper tried she wouldn't have been able to convince him, Tony wasn't looking for convincing he was looking for approval, which shows growth from AOU where he and Banner were working on a global solution on their own, here Tony needed to hear it was ok from Pepper because it was a choice that could impact their daughters life so he needed her ok to feel right about doing it.
And in the end Tony did have a choice use the glove to stop Thanos where he stood and save the universe at the cost of his own life or try to defeat Thanos normally and hope no one else died, Tony made the selfless choice in that moment, he decided only one more person had to die to stop Thanos, and that was himself so he made that choice he put everyone else's fate above his own, how do you not get this you ignorant spunk spackled sphincter.
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Post by damngumby on May 8, 2019 0:52:54 GMT
Tony Stark gave his life to save the universe and all this dipwad can do is whine that he didn't do more. It's reminiscent of when DC-Fan was so disrespectful toward one of the deceased creators of Ironman that he had to flee into self-imposed exile to avoid getting banned from this forum.
It's quite a feat to be banned for being an asshole.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 0:57:31 GMT
1st, Tony didn't know. That's why Tony asked Doctor Strange to tell him what the winning scenario is. 2nd, Tony certainly didn't know WHEN HE MADE THE CHOICE TO GO WITH THE TIME TRAVEL PLAN that he would have to make any sacrifice at all. So it was an EASY choice for Tony to choose the time travel plan. If Endgame had required Tony to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good, then I would've rated Endgame higher for having the balls to do that. But Endgame wimped out and took the easy route and wasted a lot of potential. because his plan was to get the stones from the past, come back to the present (2023), and reverse the snap. His plan was to get the stones from the past, come back to the present (2023), and have Hulk reverse the snap. So when Tony made the choice to go ahead with the time travel plan, he thought Hulk would die and didn't know that he would die and knew that he didn't have to lose his daughter. So it was an easy choice for Tony to choose the time travel plan. Like I said, Endgame had a lot of potential but wimped out and took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice between his own personal wishes and the greater good.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 8, 2019 1:07:35 GMT
because his plan was to get the stones from the past, come back to the present (2023), and reverse the snap. His plan was to get the stones from the past, come back to the present (2023), and have Hulk reverse the snap. So when Tony made the choice to go ahead with the time travel plan, he thought Hulk would die and didn't know that he would die and knew that he didn't have to lose his daughter. So it was an easy choice for Tony to choose the time travel plan. Like I said, Endgame had a lot of potential but wimped out and took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice between his own personal wishes and the greater good. After the Avengers had a little discussion on who gets to snap, because like 1 person said, even Thor couldn't survive the snap and he's a god. The only reason Hulk could do it was because it was emitted to gamma radiation, and he still got badly burned.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 1:13:21 GMT
His plan was to get the stones from the past, come back to the present (2023), and have Hulk reverse the snap. So when Tony made the choice to go ahead with the time travel plan, he thought Hulk would die and didn't know that he would die and knew that he didn't have to lose his daughter. So it was an easy choice for Tony to choose the time travel plan. Like I said, Endgame had a lot of potential but wimped out and took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice between his own personal wishes and the greater good. After the Avengers had a little discussion on who gets to snap, because like 1 person said, even Thor couldn't survive the snap and he's a god. The only reason Hulk could do it was because it was emitted to gamma radiation, and he still got badly burned. And you've just confirmed what I've been saying. When Tony made the choice to go ahead with the time travel plan, he thought Hulk would die and didn't know that he would die and knew that he didn't have to lose his daughter. So it was an easy choice for Tony to choose the time travel plan. Like I said, Endgame had a lot of potential but wimped out and took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice between his own personal wishes and the greater good.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on May 8, 2019 1:16:08 GMT
After the Avengers had a little discussion on who gets to snap, because like 1 person said, even Thor couldn't survive the snap and he's a god. The only reason Hulk could do it was because it was emitted to gamma radiation, and he still got badly burned. Like I said, Endgame had a lot of potential but wimped out and took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice between his own personal wishes and the greater good. Oh really you said that?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 8, 2019 1:16:59 GMT
Wimping out would be them not letting anyone die in the film. Two of the OG members are dead, both done as a sacrifice for the greater good.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 8, 2019 1:30:43 GMT
Tony knew he'd lose his life when he did the snap. He didn't know what would happen throughout the entire adventure. He even asked Doctor Strange (something you were previously bitching about) if this is the scenario they won, because Tony didn't know. He had everything to lose during the entirety of this endeavor. His deal with Steve was that they keep everything that happened since the snap as it was if they won. But they'd have to accomplish their task first.
Thanos was dead and the world had moved on, Tony had the life he wanted. He risked everything to bring the fallen back.
Keep trying.
You still don't get it so I'll try to explain it to you more slowly. In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk KNEW his 2 choices were: 1. Save the woman he loves but let millions of others die 2. Save millions of others but let the woman he loves die That's a difficult choice and required Kirk to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good. In The FlashPoint Paradox, Barry Allen KNEW his 2 choices were: 1. Save his mother but cause a war to be started 2. Reverse the changes to the timeline so there's no war but let his mother be killed That's a difficult choice and required Barry to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good. In Endgame, Tony Stark's choices were: 1. Reverse the timeline AND keep his daughter 2. Do nothing (i.e. don't reverse the timeline) AND keep his daughter. That's an easy choice and doesn't require Tony to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good. If Endgame had required Tony to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good, then I would've rated Endgame higher for having the balls to do that. But Endgame wimped out and took the easy route and wasted a lot of potential. Moroever, the fact that Tony had chosen option #2 until Pepper convinced him to choose option makes him even less of a hero since Tony wasn't even willing to choose the greater good until Pepper convinced him to do so. This is exactly what happened, as I already explained. Learn to read.
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Post by hobowar on May 8, 2019 1:30:46 GMT
Wimping out would be them not letting anyone die in the film. Two of the OG members are dead, both done as a sacrifice for the greater good.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 8, 2019 1:46:18 GMT
Wimping out would be them not letting anyone die in the film. Two of the OG members are dead, both done as a sacrifice for the greater good. Wimping out would be not having the five year jump and not having anything for the characters to lose. Endgame could've taken the lazy way out and used time travel the same way every other film has.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 2:49:10 GMT
Wimping out would be them not letting anyone die in the film. Two of the OG members are dead, both done as a sacrifice for the greater good. Endgame could've taken the lazy way out and used time travel the same way every other film has. That's what Endgame did. They used time travel to travel back to the past to undo the events of Infinity War. That's been done in plenty of other time travel movies.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 8, 2019 3:02:54 GMT
After the Avengers had a little discussion on who gets to snap, because like 1 person said, even Thor couldn't survive the snap and he's a god. The only reason Hulk could do it was because it was emitted to gamma radiation, and he still got badly burned. And you've just confirmed what I've been saying. When Tony made the choice to go ahead with the time travel plan, he thought Hulk would die and didn't know that he would die and knew that he didn't have to lose his daughter. So it was an easy choice for Tony to choose the time travel plan. Like I said, Endgame had a lot of potential but wimped out and took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice between his own personal wishes and the greater good. No, I confirmed what I've been saying that he did KNOW that snapping his fingers would end his life because he's a mere human.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 8, 2019 3:06:30 GMT
Endgame could've taken the lazy way out and used time travel the same way every other film has. That's what Endgame did. They used time travel to travel back to the past to undo the events of Infinity War. That's been done in plenty of other time travel movies. Your entire argument up until now, in several threads, is that Endgame didn't follow the 'laws of time travel' because it used time travel in a completely different way. It's not surprising you can't follow the film's narrative; you can't even follow your own! You just got owned again!
Tell me more about the 'changed changes' in the timeline, caveman.
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Post by poutinep on May 8, 2019 4:13:06 GMT
Tony knew he'd lose his life when he did the snap. He didn't know what would happen throughout the entire adventure. He even asked Doctor Strange (something you were previously bitching about) if this is the scenario they won, because Tony didn't know. He had everything to lose during the entirety of this endeavor. His deal with Steve was that they keep everything that happened since the snap as it was if they won. But they'd have to accomplish their task first.
Thanos was dead and the world had moved on, Tony had the life he wanted. He risked everything to bring the fallen back.
Keep trying.
You still don't get it so I'll try to explain it to you more slowly. I bet he actually typed that at half speed and spoke aloud slowly Endgame could've taken the lazy way out and used time travel the same way every other film has. That's what Endgame did. They used time travel to travel back to the past to undo the events of Infinity War. Saying they 'undid' the events of Infinity War is not accurate. Heimdall is still dead. Vision is still dead. Everyone lived for 5 years without the people that got dusted. Everyone that died indirectly due to the snap (crashing planes, helicopters etc) is still dead. Everyone that killed themselves out of grief from the snap is still dead. Everyone that died in battle is still dead - Wakandans, Xandarians, Asgardians... The Loki and Gamora that now exist are very different than the ones that died.
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Post by kleinreturns on May 8, 2019 9:08:37 GMT
Except Endgame didn't do anything original. They travel back to the past to reverse of something negative that happened. That's already been done in Star Trek: First Contact and many other time travel movies. It they were going to use time travel reverse the events of an entire movie, they should've at least make it so there would be difficult choices and consequences to reversing the timeline instead of taking the easy route and just reversing the timeline without any difficult choices and without much consequences. So you're attacking it for copying one movie then attacking it for not copying a TV show? I'm surprised he didn't mention "Yesterday's Enterprise" as well???
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 8, 2019 14:43:20 GMT
So Tony's personal wish was to die?
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