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Post by Skaathar on May 7, 2019 20:43:01 GMT
The biggest question I have regarding Endgame... is where the hell DC Fan disappeared to for the last 2-3 weeks?
Originally I thought he left this board to avoid spoilers... but then that would mean he actually cares about movie.
OMG! Does DC-Fan actually care about Endgame?!?!
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Post by blockbusted on May 7, 2019 20:43:59 GMT
Except Endgame didn't do anything original. They travel back to the past to reverse of something negative that happened. That's already been done in Star Trek: First Contact and many other time travel movies. It they were going to use time travel reverse the events of an entire movie, they should've at least make it so there would be difficult choices and consequences to reversing the timeline instead of taking the easy route and just reversing the timeline without any difficult choices and without much consequences. Black Widow lost her life, and Tony lost his. How much consequences do you need? Also, this is the same guy who posted THIS thread: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/147027/endgame-turn-avengers-child-killers
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Post by Nicko's Nose on May 7, 2019 20:44:26 GMT
The biggest question I have regarding Endgame... is where the hell DC Fan disappeared to for the last 2-3 weeks? Originally I thought he left this board to avoid spoilers... but then that would mean he actually cares about movie. OMG! Does DC-Fan actually care about Endgame?!?! He fell into a deep depression after seeing the RT score and the box office numbers.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2019 20:45:40 GMT
Once again you miss the point and got it completely wrong. Endgame wasted the potential because Tony Stark NEVER had to make a difficult choice. Because Tony Stark didn't know BEFOREHAND that he would die.
In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save the woman he loves but let millions of others die 2. Save millions of others but let the woman he loves die Kirk could have 1 or the other, but not both. In The FlashPoint Paradox, Barry Allen KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save his mother but cause a war to be started 2. Reverse the changes to the timeline so there's no war but let his mother be killed Barry could have 1 or the other, but not both. In Endgame, Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW he would die. And Tony Stark DIDN'T have to choose between: 1. Keeping his daughter but letting the 50% stay dead 2. Reversing the timeline and bringing the 50% back but losing his daughter If Endgame had required Tony Stark to make that difficult choice, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But the Russos wimped out and Endgame wasted a lot of potential by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice, like Captain Kirk and Barry Allen had to make. Instead, Endgame took the easy route by just reversing the timeline without anyone having to make a difficult choice and without much consequences. Tony never made a difficult choice? That's correct. Tony Stark NEVER HAD TO MAKE THE DIFFICULT CHOICE of either reversing the timeline but losing his daughter or keeping his daughter alive but not reversing the timeline. By contrast, Barry Allen had to make the difficult choice of either reversing the timeline or saving his mother. Endgame took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice. Endgame wimped out and wasted a lot of potential.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2019 20:47:30 GMT
Once again you miss the point and got it completely wrong. Endgame wasted the potential because Tony Stark NEVER had to make a difficult choice. Because Tony Stark didn't know BEFOREHAND that he would die.
In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save the woman he loves but let millions of others die 2. Save millions of others but let the woman he loves die Kirk could have 1 or the other, but not both. In The FlashPoint Paradox, Barry Allen KNEW what his 2 choices were: 1. Save his mother but cause a war to be started 2. Reverse the changes to the timeline so there's no war but let his mother be killed Barry could have 1 or the other, but not both. In Endgame, Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW he would die. And Tony Stark DIDN'T have to choose between: 1. Keeping his daughter but letting the 50% stay dead 2. Reversing the timeline and bringing the 50% back but losing his daughter If Endgame had required Tony Stark to make that difficult choice, then I would've rated Endgame higher. But the Russos wimped out and Endgame wasted a lot of potential by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice, like Captain Kirk and Barry Allen had to make. Instead, Endgame took the easy route by just reversing the timeline without anyone having to make a difficult choice and without much consequences. Yes he did retard, they have a scene where the Avengers argue about who will bring everyone back, where they state the amount of power running through the glove in that moment and saying how even Thor couldn't survive using it, only Hulk could Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW that he would be the one doing the snap and DIDN'T KNOW that he would die when he made the decision to go ahead with the reversing the timeline. Barry Allen KNEW when he made the decision to reverse the timeline that he would have to let his mother be killed. So Endgame took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice of reversing the timeline but losing his daughter or keeping his daughter but not reversing the timeline. Endgame wimped out and wasted a lot of potential.
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Post by bud47 on May 7, 2019 20:55:45 GMT
Tony never made a difficult choice? That's correct. Tony Stark NEVER HAD TO MAKE THE DIFFICULT CHOICE of either reversing the timeline but losing his daughter or keeping his daughter alive but not reversing the timeline. By contrast, Barry Allen had to make the difficult choice of either reversing the timeline or saving his mother. Endgame took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice. Endgame wimped out and wasted a lot of potential. There is no reversing the timeline because that's now how time travel works in this film. Making changes in the past doesn't change the future. It only creates alternate timelines/realities. Your whole argument falls apart because of your failure to understand this crucial part of the film. You're stuck in thinking that this film follows the same rules as other time travel films, when it doesn't. Stark did make a difficult choice as others have pointed out. You're just choosing to ignore them.
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Post by blockbusted on May 7, 2019 20:58:36 GMT
That's correct. Tony Stark NEVER HAD TO MAKE THE DIFFICULT CHOICE of either reversing the timeline but losing his daughter or keeping his daughter alive but not reversing the timeline. By contrast, Barry Allen had to make the difficult choice of either reversing the timeline or saving his mother. Endgame took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice. Endgame wimped out and wasted a lot of potential. There is no reversing the timeline because that's now how time travel works in this film. Making changes in the past doesn't change the future. It only creates alternate timelines/realities. Your whole argument falls apart because of your failure to understand this crucial part of the film. You're stuck in thinking that this film follows the same rules as other time travel films, when it doesn't. Stark did make a difficult choice as others have pointed out. You're just choosing to ignore them. Also, remember this thread of his?: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/147027/endgame-turn-avengers-child-killers Basically, he was trashing this film by claiming that it will turn Avengers into child killers, and now he wants THIS to happen?
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Post by dazz on May 7, 2019 21:10:32 GMT
Yes he did retard, they have a scene where the Avengers argue about who will bring everyone back, where they state the amount of power running through the glove in that moment and saying how even Thor couldn't survive using it, only Hulk could Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW that he would be the one doing the snap and DIDN'T KNOW that he would die when he made the decision to go ahead with the reversing the timeline. Barry Allen KNEW when he made the decision to reverse the timeline that he would have to let his mother be killed. So Endgame took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice of reversing the timeline but losing his daughter or keeping his daughter but not reversing the timeline. Endgame wimped out and wasted a lot of potential. So are you telling me Kirk NEVER tried to find a way to save the girl and save the people in this episode you have referenced? because if he just accepted the dilemma, which is very not Kirk like then he's a piece of shit and a worthless protagonist, the point is the hero looks for a way to not lose anything, they try to find the win/win scenario if at all possible, which is what Tony and them did.
And then Tony knowing that the fate of all life in the universe was on the line chooses to give his own life to stop Thanos and prevent any type of snap scenario happening again, Tony at the end of the day saw there was a win/win scenario just not with him included and he makes that sacrifice for everyone else.
This isn't a waste of potential you spasticated shit sandwich it's a choice, if they made the choice to go the way you claim you want they would have "wasted" the self sacrifice angle, and also done the thing you were bitching about like a whiny little cúnt for the last year that they were going to render the snap and IW entirely meaningless, which they didn't, yes they reversed the snap but life in the MCU carried on, the people may be back but the snap had major ramifications, the entire MCU is now different than it was pre IW so shut up fucking whining you stupid fuck nugget.
Also how retarded are you? you bitch they didn't exactly rip off a Star Trek TV episode and then belittle them for "ripping off" TNG: First Contact, make your fucking mind up dimwit.
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Post by bud47 on May 7, 2019 21:11:36 GMT
There is no reversing the timeline because that's now how time travel works in this film. Making changes in the past doesn't change the future. It only creates alternate timelines/realities. Your whole argument falls apart because of your failure to understand this crucial part of the film. You're stuck in thinking that this film follows the same rules as other time travel films, when it doesn't. Stark did make a difficult choice as others have pointed out. You're just choosing to ignore them. Also, remember this thread of his?: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/147027/endgame-turn-avengers-child-killers Basically, he was trashing this film by claiming that it will turn Avengers into child killers, and now he wants THIS to happen? Everyone knows his reasoning shifts to suit whatever argument or agenda he's pushing. Replying to his posts and watching him squirm as he desperately tries to talk his way out of the corners he puts himself into is more for our own amusement than anything else.
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Post by tavaresmd on May 7, 2019 21:25:18 GMT
If the film had required Tony to let go of his daughter (which I'm gkad it didn't), you'd probably be calling Tony a child murderer and criminal. There's just no pleasing some people
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 7, 2019 21:26:44 GMT
Tony never made a difficult choice? That's correct. Tony Stark NEVER HAD TO MAKE THE DIFFICULT CHOICE of either reversing the timeline but losing his daughter or keeping his daughter alive but not reversing the timeline. By contrast, Barry Allen had to make the difficult choice of either reversing the timeline or saving his mother. Endgame took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice. Endgame wimped out and wasted a lot of potential. Here's the difficult choice: 1. He snaps saving everyone's lives but in the process loses his own life. 2. He doesn't snap and the Avengers continue to fight Thanos risking the lives of everybody.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 7, 2019 21:32:13 GMT
Yes he did retard, they have a scene where the Avengers argue about who will bring everyone back, where they state the amount of power running through the glove in that moment and saying how even Thor couldn't survive using it, only Hulk could Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW that he would be the one doing the snap and DIDN'T KNOW that he would die when he made the decision to go ahead with the reversing the timeline. Barry Allen KNEW when he made the decision to reverse the timeline that he would have to let his mother be killed. So Endgame took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice of reversing the timeline but losing his daughter or keeping his daughter but not reversing the timeline. Endgame wimped out and wasted a lot of potential. He did know he had to be the one to snap moron. Doctor Strange even gave him a hint that he was supposed to do it. And he did knew it would kill him because he saw what stones did to Hulk. And Hulk is a big green monster exposed to gamma rays. Tony is just a normal human being.
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Post by blockbusted on May 7, 2019 21:32:45 GMT
That's correct. Tony Stark NEVER HAD TO MAKE THE DIFFICULT CHOICE of either reversing the timeline but losing his daughter or keeping his daughter alive but not reversing the timeline. By contrast, Barry Allen had to make the difficult choice of either reversing the timeline or saving his mother. Endgame took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice. Endgame wimped out and wasted a lot of potential. Here's the difficult choice: 1. He snaps saving everyone's lives but in the process loses his own life. 2. He doesn't snap and the Avengers continue to fight Thanos risking the lives of everybody. And again, has he forgot about this thread that HE posted himself? Seriously, just take a look at it: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/147027/endgame-turn-avengers-child-killers
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Post by justanaveragejoe on May 7, 2019 21:41:14 GMT
Here's the difficult choice: 1. He snaps saving everyone's lives but in the process loses his own life. 2. He doesn't snap and the Avengers continue to fight Thanos risking the lives of everybody. And again, has he forgot about this thread that HE posted himself? Seriously, just take a look at it: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/147027/endgame-turn-avengers-child-killers So basically he wants Iron Man to be a child killer? Gotcha!
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Post by dazz on May 7, 2019 21:44:15 GMT
Here's the difficult choice: 1. He snaps saving everyone's lives but in the process loses his own life. 2. He doesn't snap and the Avengers continue to fight Thanos risking the lives of everybody. And again, has he forgot about this thread that HE posted himself? Seriously, just take a look at it: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/147027/endgame-turn-avengers-child-killers The dude has a mind like a jellyfish, he's lucky if he can remember to breath between bouts of repetitive verbal diarrhoea.
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Post by blockbusted on May 7, 2019 22:05:17 GMT
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Post by Power Ranger on May 7, 2019 22:10:48 GMT
So what would you give it out of 10?
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Post by Power Ranger on May 7, 2019 22:12:03 GMT
That daughter scenario sounds good.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 7, 2019 23:18:37 GMT
You think Tony didn't know he was going to die with the snap? Having seen what it did to the Hulk?! Wow. Tony Stark DIDN'T KNOW that he would be the one doing the snap and DIDN'T KNOW that he would die when he made the decision to go ahead with the reversing the timeline. Barry Allen KNEW when he made the decision to reverse the timeline that he would have to let his mother be killed. So Endgame took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice of reversing the timeline but losing his daughter or keeping his daughter but not reversing the timeline. Endgame wimped out and wasted a lot of potential. Tony knew he'd lose his life when he did the snap. He didn't know what would happen throughout the entire adventure. He even asked Doctor Strange (something you were previously bitching about) if this is the scenario they won, because Tony didn't know. He had everything to lose during the entirety of this endeavor. His deal with Steve was that they keep everything that happened since the snap as it was if they won. But they'd have to accomplish their task first.
Thanos was dead and the world had moved on, Tony had the life he wanted. He risked everything to bring the fallen back.
Keep trying.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 8, 2019 0:05:28 GMT
That's correct. Tony Stark NEVER HAD TO MAKE THE DIFFICULT CHOICE of either reversing the timeline but losing his daughter or keeping his daughter alive but not reversing the timeline. By contrast, Barry Allen had to make the difficult choice of either reversing the timeline or saving his mother. Endgame took the easy route by not requiring Tony Stark to make a difficult choice. Endgame wimped out and wasted a lot of potential. Here's the difficult choice: 1. He snaps saving everyone's lives but in the process loses his own life. 2. He doesn't snap and the Avengers continue to fight Thanos risking the lives of everybody. You still don't get it so I'll try to explain it to you more slowly. In The City on the Edge of Forever, Captain Kirk KNEW his 2 choices were: 1. Save the woman he loves but let millions of others die 2. Save millions of others but let the woman he loves die That's a difficult choice and required Kirk to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good. In The FlashPoint Paradox, Barry Allen KNEW his 2 choices were: 1. Save his mother but cause a war to be started 2. Reverse the changes to the timeline so there's no war but let his mother be killed That's a difficult choice and required Barry to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good. In Endgame, Tony Stark's choices were: 1. Reverse the timeline AND keep his daughter 2. Do nothing (i.e. don't reverse the timeline) AND keep his daughter. That's an easy choice and doesn't require Tony to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good. If Endgame had required Tony to choose between his own personal wishes and the greater good, then I would've rated Endgame higher for having the balls to do that. But Endgame wimped out and took the easy route and wasted a lot of potential. Moroever, the fact that Tony had chosen option #2 until Pepper convinced him to choose option makes him even less of a hero since Tony wasn't even willing to choose the greater good until Pepper convinced him to do so.
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